On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Jaliya Ekanayake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Amila, > > I have to correct something related to your previous post. This has nothing > to do with the Mercury effort. > > You mentioned, > AFAIK Sandesha2 has also started as an Axis2 module by Chamikara. Then > people has joined and contributed to it at various times. > > It was not like this. When we design Axis2, we all (most of the axis devs) > discussed the architectures for various modules such as Sandesha. Everybody > was in agreement with the high-level details of the implementation as well. > Chamikara and others (Sanka, me ....... (I am sorry if I miss anybody )) > contributed to the initial code. Then Chamikara pushes it alone and later > lot of devs joined the effort. > > +1 You missed Saminda :-) He also did initial contributions. > So, when there is a need people will jump in and I believe that it will the > same for Mercury as well. As the starting point, I would like to know the > architecture that you propose for Mercury. (This is not the simulator > based architecture but how mercury is implemented as an Axis2 module, the > handlers to be deployed, message receivers to be used etc...) > +1. I'll also try to spend some cycles in the future. Chamikara > > Thanks, > Jaliya > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Amila Suriarachchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* David Illsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2008 4:04 AM > *Subject:* Re: [DISCUSS] Mercury Proposal > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:32 PM, David Illsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Glen. I didn't think there was any consensus from the previous >> > discussion (does the word dissensus exist?) :) >> > >> > I am actually pretty happy to do either, I think each approach has +s >> and -s. >> > >> > On the side of starting from the Mercury codebase, Amila has got it to >> > a point where it satisfies the 1.0 spec, including Replay. >> > On the other hand, Mercury doesn't yet implement 1.1 or >> > MakeConnection, and also it doesn't support transactions yet, so there >> > are some fairly large aspects still to be coded. And starting afresh >> > might well get more involvement from the wider community which I think >> > has been the main pushback on this proposal so far. >> >> Clearly new code developed here will have far fewer legal issues (e.g. >> the submitted Mercury has a hard LGPL dependency which would need >> ironed out), > > > definitely we have to remove the persistence module and re write it using > direct JDBC. May be the first step to do if it going to apache. If we think > that Mercury without that part, Then this problem is already solved. > > and would hopefully have a cleaner state machine model - >> the Mercury one seems to have compromised for reasons which are pretty >> opaque. >> >> > I guess one open question is - who is willing to put in the effort to >> > work on this?! If it's just Amila, then starting afresh won't be much >> > benefit, because he will be happier to keep working from the code he >> > has already built. >> >> I'd certainly be interested in being involved in a new codebase, but >> the amount of time I'd have to devote to it would be limited. If it's >> just Amila, then my "Apache Way Sense" tingles to suggest that this >> isn't really going anywhere in Apache, and probably shouldn't. > > > AFAIK Sandesha2 has also started as an Axis2 module by Chamikara. Then > people has joined and contributed to it at various times. Same thing may > happen with the Mercury with the time. As Chamikara did with Sandesha2 I can > initiate it with a new design. But this does not mean it will be a one man > show for ever. > > thanks, > Amila. > >> >> >> These 2 questions (legal and community) are some of the reasons why >> the Incubator exists, and sort of points me back in that direction. >> >> David >> >> P.S. In writing this, it occurred to me that trying to write a common >> WS-RM kernel that could be used with CXF and Axis2 might be a good >> target, and that too, might point to the Incubator to help build a >> broader community (not a fully formed thought though) >> >> P.P.S. I really like "dissensus" >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > -- > Amila Suriarachchi, > WSO2 Inc. > >
