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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> wrote:
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>   To make it a little clearer, compare and contrast:
>
>   * "What is Bucketworks?"
>     http://www.bucketworks.com/content/the-bucketworks-story
>
>   * "What is NYC Resistor?"
>     http://www.nycresistor.com/about/
>
>   I readily see how you could create a hacker space within Bucketworks,
>   but I don't understand how you could make a Bucketworks within a hacker
> space;
>   Someone would have to explain it to me.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>>   Saturday House is not aiming to make a hacker space.
>>
>>   Our themes are:
>>   * Community.
>>   * Action.
>>   * Business.
>>   * School.
>>
>>   That is, what we're making is broader.
>>
>>   The prototype to look at is BUCKETWORKS.
>>
>>     http://bucketworks.org/
>>
>>   (And yes, Bucketworks needs and has a paid staff person.  James
>>    Carleson and Jenn Turner made the importance of this role very
>>    clear to me.  It may come "later," but it will certainly be there.)
>>
>>
>>   There are many people in Saturday House who want to make, and will
>>   flourish in, a hacker space; I'm happy to point several to you.
>>   We've been pointing people to Hackerbot Labs for years.  That's just
>>   not what we're making, though;  It's just not Saturday House.
>>
>>   DorkBot is investigating a hacker space as well, (I think,) right now.
>>   It'll be easy to find the money and the people.  I bless your efforts.
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Charles Paul <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I know that you said to hold off on talking about a hacker-space for a
>>> couple of months, but I think that the time is now.  I feel that Lion
>>> may  feel that this is a conversation that needs to incubate further,
>>> but I will have to politely disagree.
>>>
>>> Downtown Seattle desperately needs a hackspace.  A space where people
>>> can come together and hack on projects with each other.  There is
>>> Hackerbot Labs, but they are painfully located to far SODO.  Seattle
>>> Wireless Networks provides a good forum for geeks to come together and
>>> talk freely, but their current location is also a business office.
>>>
>>> I found out about Saturday House via the latest 2600 magazine (where
>>> you are listed as a HackSpace in Seattle), and was saddened to find
>>> out that the space has closed down...
>>>
>>> Some thoughts -- Noisebridge, in SF, is a very successful hack-space
>>> that is outgrowing it's current location...  but it has enough
>>> dues-paying members to facilitate the search for a larger space.  As
>>> the same sort of inspired technical community exists inside Seattle
>>> (albeit a much smaller one), finding a space downtown and making it
>>> accessible for hackers seems only natural.
>>>
>>> As for finding enough money for staff -- Why would we need staff,
>>> per-se?   I cannot think of a hack-space that has paid staff.  People
>>> should have means of income to support themselves, and the space
>>> itself should be self-supporting through dues and incidental sales of
>>> beverages and the like.  If people don't have work, they would at
>>> least have a face-to-face network of peers who could assist them in
>>> the pursuit of a living.
>>>
>>> As an aside, take a listen to the inspiring talks from the Last HOPE
>>> about building hacker-spaces:
>>>
>>> http://www.thelasthope.org/media/audio/16kbps/Hacker_Space_Design_Patterns.mp3
>>>
>>> A quick search through Craigslist finds numerous spaces available for
>>> under $1500.00
>>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/off/see?maxAsk=1500&minAsk=1000
>>>
>>> We would probably need at least around 50 dues-paying members to
>>> support a space like that.  Would that be a reasonable target?
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Charles Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Lion Kimbro <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  Definitely!
>>> >  Let's talk about it offline, and meet by phone or in person soon.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, josh kopel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Lion (and Saturday House at large),
>>> >> This sounds wonderful.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am writing because several folks from the Seattle Dorkbot (CCed
>>> >> because I am not sure they are on the Saturday House list) are also
>>> >> working on a plan for a permanent community work/meet/learn space much
>>> >> like what you are describing.
>>> >> Our goal is to foster the technology/art crossover, and to provide
>>> >> access to equipment normally out of reach of individual makers.
>>> >> We have been discussing a multi-purpose place with some rental desks
>>> >> and
>>> >> some shared workshop facilities.
>>> >> Perhaps it would be good to get together to compare notes and combine
>>> >> efforts?
>>> >>
>>> >> Josh
>>> >>
>>> >> Lion Kimbro wrote:
>>> >>>   Hello, Saturday House!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   3 Announcements:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   1.  We're looking for a place on Saturday!
>>> >>>       [Possibility:  Daniel's house.]
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   2.  Saturday House Description:
>>> >>>       Community, Action, Business, and School
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   3.  Planning for a "Seattle Bucketworks"
>>> >>>       (rough plans)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   == Location ==
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Do you have a location we can use on Saturday?  Saturday House
>>> >>> needs
>>> >>>   you!  (And your living room!)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Presently, we're looking at using Daniel's apartment this Saturday,
>>> >>>   but we're not sure if that'll go through.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Help!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   == Saturday House Description ==
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   I'm looking for help and reflection on a Saturday House description
>>> >>>   for our website.  While I have moments of being inspiring, now, at
>>> >>>   9:10 PM, is not one of them.  {:)}=
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   All help on the description will be greatfully appreciated.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Here are the 4 key elements I'm working with:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     * Community -- Saturday House is a very large community of
>>> >>> people.
>>> >>>       The boundaries is not "Who comes on Saturday," or even "Who's
>>> >>> on
>>> >>>       the list?"  It is large.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     * Action -- We are working to become action oriented.  We have
>>> >>>       recognized that the "slow and steady death" scenario of
>>> >>> Saturday
>>> >>>       House is when everyone has laptops out.  When we are active,
>>> >>> our
>>> >>>       voices become joyful, youth returns, friendliness increases,
>>> >>> and
>>> >>>       form strangers draw in closer -- so we have observed.  Our idea
>>> >>>       is, "If we become more active, will these good things increase?
>>> >>>       How can we stir more action?"  Presently, we persue two routes:
>>> >>>       Activity days (on the 1st Saturday of the month,) and Projects
>>> >>>       (activities focused on each Saturday.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>       I invite YOU to lead an Activity day or a Project.  My offer is
>>> >>>       to help to ensure that it happens -- to help collect resources
>>> >>>       for you, to announce it (if you like,) to connect you with
>>> >>>       people, to help in coordination however I can.  The same goes
>>> >>>       for projects as well.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>       "Action" is to be interpreted broadly: Even research questions
>>> >>>       and meditations can make "action."  But it requires some locus
>>> >>>       of focus.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     * Business -- Saturday House has a long tradition with business
>>> >>>       society in Seattle.  Business is a focus of Saturday House,
>>> >>>       though I myself have not been much involved in it.  The Six
>>> >>> Hour
>>> >>>       Startup community grew from the space made available by
>>> >>> Saturday
>>> >>>       House, and has grown much larger, beyond the Saturday House.
>>> >>>       Nevertheless, this theme is very much a theme served by the
>>> >>>       Saturday House.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     * School -- Saturday House began with the inspiration from the
>>> >>>       Sudbury School method.  The idea is that we are all learning,
>>> >>>       both by ourselves, from self-study, and from and with others.
>>> >>>       Some prefer the metaphor of the "Academy," others a "College."
>>> >>>       Regardless, the theme is of study, learning, and growth, in
>>> >>>       service of the larger society of the world.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   I'm presently working to develop this into an articulated page for
>>> >>>   "About Saturday House."  On that page, too, there well be key
>>> >>> words,
>>> >>>   with everything from "Open Source" and "Electronics," to
>>> >>>   "Mathematics," to "Sustainability," to "Drawing," to "Learning" and
>>> >>>   "Reflection," and on and on.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   == Planning ==
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Finally, our intention is to make a space, inspired by Bucketworks,
>>> >>>   (perhaps even *called* "Seattle Bucketworks," James willing,) and
>>> >>>   involving many, many, many communities in the larger Seattle area.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   My plan is to visit, with others (including Daniel,) every
>>> >>> community
>>> >>>   we can think of in the Seattle area, and invite them to discussion
>>> >>>   about locating a space.  (We presently have a list of about 20
>>> >>>   groups, and I invite all of you to send me still further people to
>>> >>>   add to the list -- or add it to the EtherPad or Wiki.)  I'm
>>> >>>   presently talking with several groups, and will greatly expand that
>>> >>>   number: I hope to talk with at least one new group a week, myself,
>>> >>>   and I hope that effort will be matched (at least in part) by
>>> >>> others.
>>> >>>   We will arrange a dinner gathering, to discuss a shared space, and
>>> >>>   then later, the financing of such a space.  We will need a space
>>> >>>   large enough for all of our dreams, and enough money to pay someone
>>> >>>   to staff it full time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   It will be *AWESOME.* We'll talk about this space on the list in
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>   relatively near future (say, within a month or two,) but please
>>> >>> hold
>>> >>>   off for now.  That said, I invite you to talk about it with us on
>>> >>>   any Saturday at Saturday House.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   The plan is roughly:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   1.  Begin, immediately, talking with as many groups as possible
>>> >>>       about our plans, and asking if they could see themselves
>>> >>>       participating in it.
>>> >>>   2.  Near the end of July, or in August, convene for a large group
>>> >>>       dinner or gathering of potential stakeholders, leaders from
>>> >>>       different communities, to get to know one another, to share
>>> >>>       enthusiasm about the space, and to share dreams.  Hopefully we
>>> >>>       will have worked out the technology of sharing dreams by this
>>> >>>       point.
>>> >>>   3.  In September or October, collect funds for initial payments,
>>> >>> and
>>> >>>       find the space.  My thought is that the process of actually
>>> >>>       acquiring the space should proceed fairly quickly.  That's how
>>> >>> it
>>> >>>       was with the SODO space at least, and that's my understanding
>>> >>> of
>>> >>>       how houses are bought as well: It's a quick process.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   I do not know yet who will staff the space, and how that will work.
>>> >>>   Obviously, there is much I need to learn to make this real.
>>> >>>   However, there are many among you who are skilled, who have done
>>> >>>   things like this before, and I have the support of other
>>> >>> communities
>>> >>>   (such as Bucketworks) who have done what we aim to do.  These plans
>>> >>>   are not final, and I am happy to hear any input, though preferably
>>> >>>   in person.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   It's going to be an adventure!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   Sincerely,
>>> >>>     Lion Kimbro
>>> >>>
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