Bonnie,
Thanks for that answer. So Fermilab / CERN has the resources to support
SL even after both entities and their HEP collaborations are switching
to (CERN) CentOS 8? I am guessing that the special internal
collaboration "applications" and resources, closed to those outside the
collaboration contracts (the agreements that must be signed by the
institution "officers" and PIs that are part of the collaboration in
order to be part of the collaboration and get author listed on the
official publications and presentations of each collaboration), will
migrate to EL 8 and not continue to be "current" under EL 7. I also am
guessing that your group (even after the end of Scientific Linux
Architecture, presumably with a new group "title", etc.) will be
responsible for much of that work (possibly not HEP applications
algorithms and design, but some of the implementation and much of the
deployment).
The other point: will EPEL, ElRepo, etc., (NOT part of Fermilab/CERN,
and not supported by the various "government" funding that supports
Fermilab in the USA and CERN in Europe) also continue to support SL 7 (I
know that almost all RPMs designed for CentOS 7 "load" into SL 7, as all
are "EL 7")? I understand that you are NOT the official contact for
those other entities and do not support their efforts, but are there any
subscribers to this list who can answer this point?
Stay safe. Take care.
Yasha Karant
On 4/24/20 1:49 PM, Bonnie King wrote:
Yasha,
We will support SL6 and SL7 until the end of their lifetimes,
provided, as Pat said, the sources remain available. We build and
publish them as before. There will be no Scientific Linux 8.
Bonnie King
Scientific Linux Architecture Management, Fermilab
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Subject: Re: [SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS] Future SL minor releases, was:
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Pat,
Thank you for the answer, but there is a clarification that would be
useful. When I just updated, the intro splash now displays Scientific
Linux 7.8 , etc., not an IBM RH CentOS equivalent (and of course not a
Red Hat). This means that your group at Fermilab (and at CERN?) is
modifying whichever source you are using for EL (IBM RH, or IBM RH
CentOS) to remove all "upstream branding". Until IBM RH (TUV)
discontinues EL 7 support, e.g., security updates (2024?), is
Fermilab/CERN still funding SL (and thus presumably employing you as
part of your employment duties) to be independently built from source
and not just a copy with a file name and branding changes from a built
CentOS binary RPM?
Although Fermilab/CERN is not responsible for EPEL, ElRepo, and other
independent EL repos, many of us (including myself) depend upon those
repos to add vital functionality (that might be integral to the
Canonical Ubuntu "equivalent" of repos and thus supply .deb not .rpm
files). Are these repos also going to update as EL 7 goes through updates?
One Ubuntu question for anyone who can answer this. On EL, one has the
monitor text command options of rpm and yum to get updates and added
functionality roughly equivalent to apt in Ubuntu; is there an Ubuntu
GUI equivalent of yumex? I have been using apt from a screen (or sudo
apt if I am not logged in as root) but I personally find for "routine"
operations (such as the "major" update I just did) it is more convenient
to use yumex.
Stay safe. Take care.
Yasha Karant
On 4/24/20 12:22 PM, Patrick Riehecky wrote:
So long as the upstream source is published, we plan to continue
Scientific Linux updates and new releases.
Pat
On Fri, 2020-04-24 at 12:18 -0700, Yasha Karant wrote:
Thank you for the update. Although I could not find a listing for
you
at Fermilab through a web search engine (my fault), I did find
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_patriehecky&d=DwIDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=GmODBvzVccq62b85_5FqC1HOEq9xjkakc0x_NkH_UPM&s=PBlj4xQGhYUMveDLgNXtrHFOLrflQ6c3bCukF64rzRQ&e=
which indicates that you
are
(paid) professional Fermilab staff assigned to SL, and presumably
will
be part of the Fermilab CentOS 8 team if all of the HEP CERN
collaborations stay with CERN CentOS 8. The only reason I checked
was
to understand your official capacity to provide release information.
As
you can read below, my university does not allow unmodified
(uncensored?) URLs to be transmitted -- the URL you posted has been
modified in the email that I can see (one of the reasons I use my
gmail
account whenever allowed). The TUV life cycle is for RHEL 7 that is
under paid subscription except in so far as RH is required by the
GPL,
etc., to release full source (no binaries).
Will the SL group be adding these RHEL 7 updates, etc., to the SL
distro
repos? Will these be 7.9 ... or are future minor release number
versions of RHEL 7 (that are reflected in SL 7) determined by IBM RH
(TUV)? Will these only be from CentOS with the SL repos simply
mirroring those at CentOS (part of RH and thus part of IBM), or will
SL
be doing independent builds? Any idea about EPEL, ElRepo, etc.,
updates
as well?
Thank you for any clarification.
Stay safe. Take care.
Yasha Karant
On 4/24/20 10:10 AM, Patrick Riehecky wrote:
On Thu, 2020-04-23 at 23:36 -0700, Yasha Karant wrote:
is SL 7.8 the end of SL 7?
The projected end of life for SL7 is June 2024.
This is following TUV's lifecycle:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__access.redhat.com_support_policy_updates_errata&d=DwIGaQ&c=B_W-eXUX249zycySS1AyzjABMeYirU1wvo9-GmMObjY&r=Z7xHp2tIJsvAE2FtPxl_lynvf4hA_FJ8mKsaIgvY6Dk&m=fYi-TgtnkkAnP39HKALbNwMQbeKUf-VzYQvK8v2Gwu0&s=ktFojwgMAipkzHysivjUStHOolz9UiOiDr2iR7LLkP4&e=
