Several times, including in the presence of one of the aforementioned gay 
friends, to the notes of chastisement in extremis...

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:          Hmm...Have you reread what 
you've written yet???

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: WHOOPS! You'd think that a guy with as many 
gay friends as I have would've caught that one...

Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmmmm...so you tell them that you're 
'sweet', huh? YIKES!!!
I mean, some of my best friends are 'sweet'...LOLLOL!

_____ 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:06 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: South Carolina black leaders back Clinton

Sorry, I was kidding myself. Truth be told, I kinda puff up with pride when
anyone calls me that, say "And I'm just as sweet!"

Reece Jennings <mcjennings124@ <mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com>
wrote: I agree. I never got that from anybody here, especially you and
Martin,
Keith. 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
On
Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: South Carolina black leaders back Clinton

No offense on that "Oreo" thing. From every thing I've read, you're proud to
be black and support black people. My definition is reserved for others like
the two I mentioned. I've been called Oreo too and it's never applied.
Unlike Rice and Thomas, I'm assuming you don't pretend to be white, love
only white people, and try to dismantle all programs that could help less
fortunate people.

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From: Martin <truthseeker_ <mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now, I've been referred to as an
Oreo for most of my conscious life, so I take umbrage at being classed in
with Clarence and Condi. Otherwise, I won't stop you. You can't jump on a
bandwagon just because the driver is smeone you like the looks of. Said
driver could eb the worst on record, a drunk, suicidal or flat-out blind.

KeithBJohnson@ <mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net> comcast.net wrote: Well,
ain't that interesting. I was just in
a discussion with someone over the reasons why Blacks (according to polls)
seem to be currently supporting Hillary over Obama. I contend it's not a
self-hatred thing, but simply that most Blacks simply don't know him well
enough to support him yet. I, for example, always support Blacks when
possible, but the first I heard of Obama was after his DNC speech. The
pundits were telling me he'd probably be our first Black Prez. I didn't know
if the man was left of center, center, right of center, crazy, a dissembler,
what have you. Only now am I getting any picture of his politics and
beliefs. Before that it'd have been foolish to give him unreserved support.
Hillary may be a chameleon, but at least Blacks have had years to know her,
and they feel that despite her admitted positioning on the issues, she and
Bill are overall decent people who care about us. It's a connection, a
likeability factor. Obama has it, but it's so new people simply h ave to see
what else is there to recommend him. As for supporting him sight unseen, as
it were, that's not a good idea. I mean, you can't get much blacker than
Clarence Thomas or Condolezza Rice, and they're about as white inside as an
Oreo cookie. They'd have been the slaves on the plantation turning me in as
I was plotting an escape or revolt against Massah. 

All that being said, is Obama losing and going to lose more support because
other Blacks feel he can't win? That's the one reason--outside of a
self-hatred belief that a Black is less qualified than a white--that I can't
support. If we're that fatalistic, a Black candidate will never make it all
the way...

S. Carolina black leaders back Clinton
By JIM DAVENPORT, Associated Press WriterTue Feb 13, 4:23 PM ET Two key
black political leaders in South Carolina who backed John Edwards in 2004
said Tuesday they are supporting Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's bid for the
Democratic presidential nomination.
State Sens. Robert Ford and Darrell Jackson told The Associated Press they
believe Clinton is the only Democrat who can win the presidency. Both said
they had been courted by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting
record); Ford said Obama winning the primary would drag down the rest of the
party.
"Then everybody else on the ballot is doomed," Ford said. "Every Democratic
candidate running on that ticket would lose because he's black and he's at
the top of the ticket - we'd lose the House, the Senate and the governors
and everything."
"I'm a gambling man. I love Obama," Ford said. "But I'm not going to kill
myself."
Ford said he was swayed by calls from former President Clinton and Hillary
Clinton. He said she has solid support in Charleston, one of the key regions
in the state with a significant black Democratic voting population.
Jackson, who also is the minister of a large church in the state's capital
city, said Edwards - a South Carolina native who won the state's Democratic
primary three years ago - had his chance.
"I feel as if he's had his opportunity," Jackson said.
The endorsements come just days before Obama and Clinton campaign in the
state for the first time as 2008 candidates.
Support from black voters is key in South Carolina, where 49 percent of the
Democratic presidential primary vote came from blacks in 2004. The state
will host the first Southern primaries for both the GOP and Democrats in
2008.
Clinton's campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said they were happy to have Ford
and Jackson's support.
"We're grateful we're starting to get the support of some key leaders,"
Elleithee said.

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