Yeah, i've had problems with this for a while. Something has changed, because I
remember when i was a young teen, i didn't expect to see young people my age in
all the roles. Of course it was cool to see some teens in good roles, but when
I saw spies and soldiers and superheroes and whatnot that were much older than
me, it seemed right. I usually accepted that with age came experience and
wisdom. Now it's as if being over 21 makes some--especially women--old.
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From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What distresses me is that when I look at movies and TV series in made
> in the past, even though youthfulness was worshiped, the cast seemed to
> represent a wider range of ages. Now, more often than not, the hero and
> the heroine reflect the Beverly Hills 90210 crowd, as you pointed out
> earlier. Seeing a female over 30 is becoming a rarity. It used to bug
> me a little how in anime most of the heroines were under 18. Now it
> seems like Hollywood is headed in that direction. When they do on
> occasion cast an older male lead, you often have a female leads who are
> significantly younger. If he is sixty and she is forty, then in their
> minds, they hired an older woman. Funny thing... the networks and the
> theaters are hemorrhaging audiences. I wonder if this demographic
> targeting has anything to do with it. Maybe their target market is
> pretty much who is going to the theatre and pretty much who are
> watching. Maybe cable is gaining because that are targeting other and
> broader groups.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > no, you're right, that's why I emphasized it's what *some* of us want, not
> all. I agree young (white) guys think Jessica Alba is hot. So in that way,
> you're right in that Hollywood is connected, but they are disconnected from
> people like me. But as you say, they don't care about me.
> >
> > I noticed that even more glaringly in "Transformers", which, frankly, the
> > more
> I think about, the less I like. I pretty much hate most of what Michael Bay
> does
> because it's so superficial and calculated. Now, Transformers has the most
> amazing special effects of the year. The robots look amazing, some fo the
> fight
> scenes are off the hook. There's a few funny moments. But i honestly
> remembered
> gagging and being bored throughout much of the movie because of the lame plot
> and acting. And the lead girl is beautiful, no doubt, but so obviously out of
> place it's funny. That's okay: she's the star. But there's even women in the
> background who look like models for no reason! There's two women in a car
> that
> are shown for about three seconds. Models. One really illogical shot of a
> woman
> in distress in the street, staring at the fighting. She's got on a blue,
> flimsy
> dress that's flapping in the wind, her hair is perfect, and she is gorgeous.
> The
> scene is so incongruous I had to laugh. I kept
> > thinking "man, aside from the robots, this movie sucks, and Bay's got
> > nothing
> approaching a deft touch". But everyone says how great it was, and when I
> complained of the poor writing and acting, looked at me like I had a third
> eye.
> (To be fair, think I gave it an "A", but only for the FX).
> >
> > So you're right, Hollywood pleases those it wants to pleases
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>
> >
> >
> >> But Keith, to be brutally honest, you have to remember, they don't care
> >> what you are attracted to. They are after young guys and I don't get
> >> it. Most young guys don't have as much money or disposable income as
> >> those older than them. Are you sure young guys are not attracted to
> >> them. If you read the boards at Internet movie database, you might
> >> think otherwise. Whether they are attracted to them because Hollywood
> >> tells them to or because they are genuinely attracted to them, their
> >> response in polls, surveys and posting ,negate what you say.
> >> Unfortunately, there is not a disconnect. Hollywood has stopped trying
> >> to please most of the people most of the time and opted instead to
> >> please a very small targeted group most of the time. a sad state of
> >> affairs
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>> i think there's a disconnect and schism between what *some* of us want,
> >>> and
> >>>
> >> what Hollywood thinks we want. For example, i see the likes of Jessica
> >> Alba,
> >> Halle Berry, and Jessica Biel thrown about all the time, and usually it's
> >> frankly just because some people think they're super hot. Yet, despite the
> >> ridiculous image of females in comics (all with impossibly large breasts
> >> on
> >> improbably thin frames with unrealistically long legs) I am much more
> attracted
> >> to *strong* female superheroes than eye candy. Jean Grey is gorgeous in
> >> the
> >> comics, but I like her more for her strength, kindness, and the Phoenix
> Force.
> >> That's why I'm okay with Famke Jensen as Jean Grey: she has a presence I
> like.
> >> It's also why I hate Halle Berry as Storm: she's okay looking, but she's
> >> not
> a
> >> strong screen presence. I don't find Uma Thurman to be exactly gorgeous,
> >> but
> >> she's a strong, tough actress, and is perfect for "Kill Bill". It's also
> >> why
> >> I seem to be alone in thinking that Angelina Jolie--who can be a
> >>
> >>> strong actress--would make a better candidate for a spy franchise
> >>> starring a
> >>>
> >> woman than many other women bandied about. it's not about Jolie's looks,
> >> but
> her
> >> acting ability.
> >>
> >>> Comics and comic-based films are about fun, action, escapism, and just
> >>> fun
> at
> >>>
> >> times, but they still need to be grounded in some kind of good writing or
> >> interesting plot. Seeing the likes of Jessica Alba get near nekkid in FF
> >> just
> >> isn't interesting to me--certainly not enough to make me want to see the
> flicks
> >> more than once. there are other sources of media if that's all you want.
> >> :)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Amen. When I read that, I thought it was purely sexuality if true.
> >>>> Sexuality usually is not enough to carry a comic or action film. She's
> >>>> purely the eye candy ingredient.
> >>>>
> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> i disagree completely. Alba isn't that great an actress, and she's also
> not
> >>>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>> compelling screen presence--even as a kick-ass comic book character.
> >>>>
> >> Honestly,
> >>
> >>>> she's the least memorable character from both movies to my mind. I think
> >>>>
> >> Torch
> >>
> >>>> and Ben Grimm made more of an impact to both the fun and action of those
> >>>>
> >> flicks.
> >>
> >>>>> I hear your point, just don't think Alba's the one who demonstrates it.
> More
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Uma Thurman in "Kill Bill", or Michelle Yeoh in--anything.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>>>> From: Daryle
> >>>>> See, Fantastic Four is a great example. Jessica Alba IS carrying these
> >>>>> movies, because as we all keep saying...they are horrible movies. And
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> is really what should be the point. With the exception of Spider-Man 2
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> Batman Begins, these comic properties-turned-movies have been poorly
> >>>>> written and horribly cast. The fact that they make money is sort of
> besides
> >>>>> the point, because they have the marketing departments to thank for
> >>>>> that.
> >>>>> Now we're at a point where actors can read scripts and choose what
> >>>>> tights
> >>>>> they wear.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the second question, I really don't think this guy said this.
> >>>>> But
> if
> >>>>> he DID, he's going to be fired, because there are too many women in
> >>>>> Hollywood signing checks to come with that nonsense. This is Hollywood,
> not
> >>>>> the oil industry. The day another "Beaches" script comes to Warners,
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> WILL make the movie. If Nicole Kidman wants to do a shot-by-shot remake
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> "Sybil", she's going to call Madonna and Demi Moore, who will line up
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> funding, and it's going to happen. "Not doing any more movies starring
> >>>>> women" is just a silly thing to say. The adult industry has no problem
> >>>>> seeing profits from movies with female leads, so for Warner Brothers to
> not
> >>>>> be able to means that they probably need, I don't know, a new president
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> production?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/10/07 1:23 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Good example. Love that flick. I'm not all hot for wonder woman, I'm
> >>>>>> more upset with what they did with Cat-Woman, Ultraviolet, Aeon Flux,
> >>>>>> Electra. and the fact that because of them the buzz in Hollywood is
> >>>>>> that women can't carry comics to film or action movies. I could accept
> >>>>>> that if they even had scripts as bad as fantastic four, but women in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> comic to film area can't even get a half-ass script. Because of the
> >>>>>> creative issues, women in comic films are likely to be relegated to
> >>>>>> teams and as side-kicks. For me that is what my gripe is about.
> >>>>>> Wonder Woman just reminded me of the larger problem. Thank got for
> >>>>>> Tarantino.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By the way, what makes you think the guy is going to get fired. He is
> >>>>>> just speaking the truth and I doubt he is the only one who has said
> >>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Daryle wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hate to be the one to remind us of this...but what about ©øKill
> >>>>>>> Bill©÷? Why
> >>>>>>> are we acting like JLA/Wonder Woman is saving the female-lead action
> >>>>>>> movie?
> >>>>>>> We©öve already been here and passed this hurdle. The challenge now is
> >>>>>>> to keep
> >>>>>>> it GOING. Hollywood is over its issue with aggressive women on
> >>>>>>> screen.
> The
> >>>>>>> trick now is getting good looking aggressive women on screen. And
> >>>>>>> we©öre
> >>>>>>> starting to see it happen (thank you very much Gina Torres).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> IF this guy said this at Warner Brothers, then this one guy will be
> fired,
> >>>>>>> and the world will go on. It looks like JLA has a horrible script and
> >>>>>>> everybody remembers how wearing the tights derailed Chris
> >>>>>>> O©öDonnell©ös
> >>>>>>> career. Locking yourself into a cheesy franchise can really mess you
> >>>>>>> up for
> >>>>>>> a while. Hollywood©ös problem is expressing women in 3 dimensions
> >>>>>>> PERIOD. The
> >>>>>>> last place you want to be having this discussion is in the context of
> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> action movie.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/9/07 3:05 PM, "Martin" > >>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do as well, Tracey. In all honesty, the last good kick-a$$ woman I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> saw in a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> movie (IMO) was Kathy Long, in a Richard Norton flick from '95
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> called "Under
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Gun". She was more fun to watch than Norton was.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I love a kick-ass broad and always look forward to seeing them come
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> life of film, but I think Hollywood has some issues with them. To
> >>>>>>>> date,
> >>>>>>>> I can not think of a hit Kick-ass broad flick in recent years,
> >>>>>>>> Resident
> >>>>>>>> Evil being the exception. Cat-Woman, Ultraviolet, Aeon Flux are the
> >>>>>>>> most recent examples of the crap they are putting out in this
> >>>>>>>> sub-genre. Star power seem to have no effect on the flimsy plots and
> >>>>>>>> lack of character development. There are almost unwatchable--- even
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> the small screen. It is no surprise that these vehicles flopped. It
> >>>>>>>> doesn't taken long for the public to get the word out that they are
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> waste of time. So, it comes as no surprise that Robinov is a card
> >>>>>>>> carrying member and president of the He-Man Wimmen Haterz Club
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Martin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Give it up for Jeff Robinov, president of the He-Man Wimmen
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Haterz Club!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Martin (finding one more reason to hate H'Wood)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: JLA Plot Confirmed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And could sexism derail a Wonder Woman solo film?
> >>>>>>>>>> by Stax
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> EW, which recently reported that Jessica Biel was no longer in the
> >>>>>>>>>> running to play Wonder Woman, now claims "Biel is in early talks
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to play
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman in League, but as with (Batman star Bale and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Superman star
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Brandon Routh), the studio might be wary of a crossover; one
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> source says
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> that her contract is unlikely to guarantee that she'd be the star
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of any
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> future Wonder Woman feature." IGN contacted Biel's reps at CAA
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> today who
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> advised us that she is no longer in talks for JLA.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There may be another -- and nastier -- reason why a Wonder Woman
> >>>>>>>>>> spin-off film might be questionable now. According to
> >>>>>>>>>> DeadlineHollywoodDaily.com, Warner Bros. president of production
> >>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>>> Robinov recently decreed, "We are no longer doing movies with
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> women in
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the lead." This is reportedly in response to the lackluster
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> performance
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> of two recent female-driven Warners releases, The Invasion and
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Brave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> One.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As Comics2Film.com points out, "such a mandate would spell doom
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> for the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> long-in-development Wonder Woman movie. It's inconceivable that a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> studio
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> would dismiss the opportunity to make use of one of the few
> >>>>>>>>>> remaining
> >>>>>>>>>> iconic superhero characters yet to be adapted for modern
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> movie-goes, but
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> if Robinov's decree is real, then (Warners) may do just that."
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels
> >>>>>>>>>> will
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> >>>>>>>>>> Man
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