Being "Rochester" is not a pejorative in my book. Eddie "Rochester" Anderson broke no nonsense, always got the last word and, IMHO, had a lot more dignity and personal integrity than either Alfred Pennyworth, Hobson or Mr. Giles French.
In fact, following in the footsteps of Ivan Dixon, Gregg Morris and Ving Rhames is nothing to sneeze at. I'm just sayin'.... ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> wrote: > > I do not think he is the most important character. While I worried about > him being as you described in the pilot, there were changes made thereafter > that gives me hope they are taking his character elsewhere. As I said, you > need to watch beyond the pilot. The pilot was a lot weaker than the show is > overall. Think Next Generation of DS9. The pilots did not resemble how the > series eventually turned out. I can't think of a series right now in which > they retool right after the pilot, but it is common. They did that with > this show in terms of the characters in my view > > I did not like the character in the pilot. He irked me and I thought what > you thought to some degree.. By the second episode, it felt like they had > done some retooling. Now with them beginning to really have some good > interplay among all the characters, I have high hopes for it. It's not as > good as burn notice, but it ain't bad. I find myself looking forward to it > > You may still see this going in the direction you describe, but the > producers say they intentionally did not make him the thug (the role played > by Christian Kane) despite the fact that he really is Black belt in five > forms of martial arts, he tends to get thug or athlete role, because they > wanted his character to break the stereotype. After the pilot, I started to > see that. > > I did not like most of the characters that much in the pilot. Now, I'm > really starting to like all of them (including the Black guy) because of how > they are developing their personalities and relationships > > However, maybe for you, he will always be Rochester > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of ravenadal > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:20 PM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Leverage and the paradigm of the black technology > geek > > So there is no Rochester action going on here? In many ways, Eddie > "Rochester" Anderson was "the most important member" of the Jack Benny > radio and television franchise - but he was still a servant. > > ~(no)rave! > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote: > > > > I agree with Justin. Alec is in many ways the most important member of > > the team and he's been had quite a bit of exposure in several > > episodes. The Bank Shot Job and The Stork Job are two episodes to > > watch if you want to see him in action. His intro in the pilot episode > > is epic nerdy goodness. > > > > I like this show quite a bit. It's like Burn Notice for me in that > > it's pretty lightweight overall and fun. There is some darker stuff > > lurking underneath but it doesn't overwhelm the proceedings. There are > > some plot elements that could make for a very interesting second > season. > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I've seen all the episodes aired so far. You might not like where > it is > > > going, but he gets back story and goes on missions. Last week he > > saved a > > > few hundred people and went undercover as a corporate hot shot. > > > Unfortunately, it was an episode in which he also screwed up a job > > a little > > > because he was late for work as a result of staying up all night > > play with > > > the new version of war craft. However, unfortunately I see signs of > > the rut > > > you describe. > > > > > > The people who put this together did Independence Day and The > Librarian. > > > So don't expect much. However, in future episodes, it seems to me > > that all > > > the players start getting back story and all get to shine. While > > it's light > > > weight, it does not seem driven by one character with accessory > > characters. > > > It also seems to have improved since the first episode. Let's hope > > they do > > > not lock into this predictable character format. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of ravenadal > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:21 AM > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Leverage and the paradigm of the black > > technology geek > > > > > > I just saw my first episode of Timothy Hutton's new TNT series > > > "Leverage." "Leverage" is what you would get if you artificially > > > inseminated "Mission:Impossible!" with "Oceans Eleven." I like it and > > > have scheduled my DVR to record future episodes but I feel compelled > > > to mention that the lone black regular character, Alec Hardison (Aldis > > > Hodge), like IM's Barney Collier (Gregg Morris)and Luther Stickell > > > (Ving Rhames)- heck, like Hogan Heroe Sgt. James 'Kinch' Kinchloe (the > > > late great Ivan Dixon), both completes and depletes me. > > > > > > On one hand, all are self-contained, obviously well educated, > > > articulate electronics experts. On the other hand, all are given > > > precious little to do. While the other, primarily white cast mates > > > get to cavort about wearing masks and assuming other identities, the > > > lone black technology geek is tethered to his computers and his > > > listening devices. More often than not their electronic wizardry saves > > > the day but they rarely get any of the glory. > > > > > > In short, our hero gets to witness the pageantry but rarely gets to > > > participate in it. While there is plenty of interaction between most > > > of the white characters, our hero is literally a "black hole" into > > > which camera light goes but nothing - no personality, no back story, > > > no nothing - escapes. > > > > > > And, as such, he is the ultimate "Invisible Man." > > > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > > > hoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > hoo! Groups Links >
