And in last night's episode he even got into fight a fight with a thug and he won. Score one for the geek.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> wrote: > > Just saw another episode and a preview for another episode. He was out in > the field in the one I saw and plays the lead attorney in a multimillion > dollar fixed court case in the preview for next week. Doesn't seem like > Dixon, Morris or Rhames to me. While I do not think the people who did ID4 > are the most talented, they made Will smith the star of it before he was > really big, Before that he only had Bad Boys (a hit); Six Degrees (a > critical success) and Fresh Prince. I think ID4 made the suits believe he > was a real box office draw. Right after ID$ he got Enemy of The State, Men > in Black, Wild West and Bagger Vance back to back. I digress. In every > episode beyond the pilot he is out of the office and doing the same work as > the other characters. It's a Hutton vehicle, so Hutton gets more focus than > anyone. > > I still say you should look beyond the pilot, however, perhaps you would > still see Dixon, Morris and Rhames stuck in that background. It's all about > perception > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of ravenadal > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:11 PM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Leverage and the paradigm of the black technology > geek > > Being "Rochester" is not a pejorative in my book. Eddie "Rochester" > Anderson broke no nonsense, always got the last word and, IMHO, had a > lot more dignity and personal integrity than either Alfred Pennyworth, > Hobson or Mr. Giles French. > > In fact, following in the footsteps of Ivan Dixon, Gregg Morris and > Ving Rhames is nothing to sneeze at. I'm just sayin'.... > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> > wrote: > > > > I do not think he is the most important character. While I worried > about > > him being as you described in the pilot, there were changes made > thereafter > > that gives me hope they are taking his character elsewhere. As I > said, you > > need to watch beyond the pilot. The pilot was a lot weaker than the > show is > > overall. Think Next Generation of DS9. The pilots did not resemble > how the > > series eventually turned out. I can't think of a series right now > in which > > they retool right after the pilot, but it is common. They did that with > > this show in terms of the characters in my view > > > > I did not like the character in the pilot. He irked me and I > thought what > > you thought to some degree.. By the second episode, it felt like > they had > > done some retooling. Now with them beginning to really have some good > > interplay among all the characters, I have high hopes for it. It's > not as > > good as burn notice, but it ain't bad. I find myself looking > forward to it > > > > You may still see this going in the direction you describe, but the > > producers say they intentionally did not make him the thug (the role > played > > by Christian Kane) despite the fact that he really is Black belt in five > > forms of martial arts, he tends to get thug or athlete role, because > they > > wanted his character to break the stereotype. After the pilot, I > started to > > see that. > > > > I did not like most of the characters that much in the pilot. Now, I'm > > really starting to like all of them (including the Black guy) > because of how > > they are developing their personalities and relationships > > > > However, maybe for you, he will always be Rochester > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of ravenadal > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:20 PM > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Leverage and the paradigm of the black > technology > > geek > > > > So there is no Rochester action going on here? In many ways, Eddie > > "Rochester" Anderson was "the most important member" of the Jack Benny > > radio and television franchise - but he was still a servant. > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Justin. Alec is in many ways the most important member of > > > the team and he's been had quite a bit of exposure in several > > > episodes. The Bank Shot Job and The Stork Job are two episodes to > > > watch if you want to see him in action. His intro in the pilot episode > > > is epic nerdy goodness. > > > > > > I like this show quite a bit. It's like Burn Notice for me in that > > > it's pretty lightweight overall and fun. There is some darker stuff > > > lurking underneath but it doesn't overwhelm the proceedings. There are > > > some plot elements that could make for a very interesting second > > season. > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I've seen all the episodes aired so far. You might not like where > > it is > > > > going, but he gets back story and goes on missions. Last week he > > > saved a > > > > few hundred people and went undercover as a corporate hot shot. > > > > Unfortunately, it was an episode in which he also screwed up a job > > > a little > > > > because he was late for work as a result of staying up all night > > > play with > > > > the new version of war craft. However, unfortunately I see signs of > > > the rut > > > > you describe. > > > > > > > > The people who put this together did Independence Day and The > > Librarian. > > > > So don't expect much. However, in future episodes, it seems to me > > > that all > > > > the players start getting back story and all get to shine. While > > > it's light > > > > weight, it does not seem driven by one character with accessory > > > characters. > > > > It also seems to have improved since the first episode. Let's hope > > > they do > > > > not lock into this predictable character format. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of ravenadal > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:21 AM > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Leverage and the paradigm of the black > > > technology geek > > > > > > > > I just saw my first episode of Timothy Hutton's new TNT series > > > > "Leverage." "Leverage" is what you would get if you artificially > > > > inseminated "Mission:Impossible!" with "Oceans Eleven." I like > it and > > > > have scheduled my DVR to record future episodes but I feel compelled > > > > to mention that the lone black regular character, Alec Hardison > (Aldis > > > > Hodge), like IM's Barney Collier (Gregg Morris)and Luther Stickell > > > > (Ving Rhames)- heck, like Hogan Heroe Sgt. James 'Kinch' > Kinchloe (the > > > > late great Ivan Dixon), both completes and depletes me. > > > > > > > > On one hand, all are self-contained, obviously well educated, > > > > articulate electronics experts. On the other hand, all are given > > > > precious little to do. While the other, primarily white cast mates > > > > get to cavort about wearing masks and assuming other identities, the > > > > lone black technology geek is tethered to his computers and his > > > > listening devices. More often than not their electronic wizardry > saves > > > > the day but they rarely get any of the glory. > > > > > > > > In short, our hero gets to witness the pageantry but rarely gets to > > > > participate in it. While there is plenty of interaction between > most > > > > of the white characters, our hero is literally a "black hole" into > > > > which camera light goes but nothing - no personality, no back story, > > > > no nothing - escapes. > > > > > > > > And, as such, he is the ultimate "Invisible Man." > > > > > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYa > > > > hoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYa > > hoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYa > hoo! Groups Links >
