Amen, amen! All you hear is studios worried about demographics (hence, a
forgettable run by Halle Berry as Storm, when everyone knows Angela Bassett
would have nailed the role) instead of quality. And i have long been puzzled
and irritated by the thing you mentioned, where sex and violence in appalling
or appallingly impersonal measure gets approved -some scenes in "Crank" or the
Eli Roth "torture porn" films come to mind. Yet intimate sexual scenes that
might show some genetalia in a tasteful and even understanding manner get
labeled NC-17. Even on Syfy early this morning (3 am) I saw the beginning of
some ghost/slasher flick with Casper van Diem and perennial tough guy actor
Michael Rooker. The bad guy impaled, slashed, and cut up three people in teh
first five minutes. Blood splaying everywhere, body parts dropping. Yet it's on
TV! In the theatres, that's an R and kids get in all the time.
Yet let there be ten *seconds* of an intimate love scene between a married
couple in a film, and the thing's verbote, advisories go out all over the
place, and conservatives are decrying the fall of Western civilization. And now
with "The Hangover", the teen-sex thing will be back, with copious and
gratuitous nude scenes, and no one will care.
Crazy...
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From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:22:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
'Harvey'
I think that is where the studio's influences come into play when they are
viewing the rushes. Some of the films that I have watched that have that part
of their development documented on video often have changes made to the film
that delete key parts of the movie that may have taken into a deeper direction.
Another thing that bugs me is that the MPAA will often approve gore and sex
scenes in movies if there isn't a happy ending with the characters, or an
unhealthy relationship, but if there is a healthy sexual relationship that
often ends up on the cutting room floor.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
It takes parents to start teaching their kids to appreciate quality. it takes
friends to take friends to see something they'd not otherwise see. It takes
couples doing something like taking one night a week, or one week a month,
where they see something they'd not otherwise see, whether that's watching a
silent flick on Turner Classics, an original version of something they've only
seen in remakes (such as The Day the Earth Stood still), or brazing the
theatres to see a foreign film with subtitles.
What I find most interesting is that, while America churns out a lot of low
brow crap that's too focused on CGI, sex, and violence lacking in cleverness
(not like a John Woo flick) the creators of such aren't always really idiots.
Sure, we have the hacks like Michael Bay, who I contend is just an awful
director. But we have a lot of directors who are always talking about good
film, who in interviews speak of the influence of the masters like Bergman,
Kurosawa. in the animation world, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find a
single person at Disney, Pixar, or Dreamworks who doesn't worship the work of
Miyazaki. Even when they're putting out easy fare like Madagascar or Shrek 3,
they still know quality when they see it.
So, is the tail wagging the dog, or the other way 'round?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:35:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
'Harvey'
I agree, but I think that it may take a re-education on a national level.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
Actually there are a lot of good films out there that could teach people to
appreciate plotting. The only problem is they don't get the press. Indie films,
little theatre chains, IFC on cable, TCM for old classic movies--it's all
there. What we need to do is teach people to seek out the fare that's out
there....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 2:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
'Harvey'
I think that there is a large part of the audience that doesn't look beyond the
cgi. I think that they are trained to do that in this country. (The monster
truck, indy500, wrestling set) Outside of that we have everyone else that
doesn't mind a nice explosion but want a plot to tie the explosions together.
The problem is that there just havent been enough films to really teach
american audiences how to watch a film with a plot.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:56 PM, < wlro...@aol.com > wrote:
That is not a bad idea, but this generation is more interested in computer
graphics then a real good story line.
--Lavender
From: Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:40 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
'Harvey'
Whenever H'Wood remakes something, some moe-ronic person will say that
it's being done "for this/the next generation" to appreciate.
Why not sit the generation in question down and show them the *original*? Allow
them to appreciate *it*?
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Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
'Harvey'
Date : Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:05:07 -0700
>From : "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com >
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
You think that is bad? They are starting to make fairy tales over now.
First there is Alice in Wonderland, and they just announced that DiCaprio is
making Little red riding hood. Hmm I wonder which will be next? Pinocchio or
the three little pigs?
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
>
>
> i just don't see the point of remaking the movie, no matter who's in the
> lead. Lord I wish H'wood could just leave some properties alone!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brent wodehouse"
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:46:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana
> 'Harvey'
>
>
>
>
> http://www.movieline.com/2009/08/were-drawing-closer-to-a-will-smithzoe-saldana-harvey.php
>
>
> Predictions
>
> We're Drawing Closer to a Will Smith/Zoe Saldana Harvey
>
> Written by Kyle Buchanan | 05 Aug 2009
>
> Variety announced today that Tom Hanks has decided not to star in Steven
> Spielberg’s remake of Harvey, avoiding exactly the kind of unwinnable and
> unimaginative comparisons to Jimmy Stewart that we warned him against. So
> what’s next for the project? We can guess!
>
> At this point, it seems utterly inevitable that Spielberg will tap Will
> Smith to star - after all, the actor was in the mix when the project was
> first announced, and his shooting schedule is completely clear in 2010.
> Without pressing sequel commitments and with most of his star vehicles
> still in development (including a Spielberg-helmed redo of Oldboy), Smith
> would appear to have this one sewn up.
>
> And while we’re making predictions, here’s another: If Smith gets the nod,
> expect Zoe Saldana to be cast as his skeptical sister. She’s worked with
> Spielberg before on The Terminal, she’ll be coming off a stellar 2009, and
> she’s got no projects set with a definite date next year (since the Star
> Trek sequel is still in the planning stages).
>
> I’m still willing to be surprised, but methinks you don’t remake Harvey if
> you’re intent on throwing audiences for a loop.
>
>
>
>
>
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