rave, I feel that with you at face value, and that contrast, in and of itself, IMO, is another roadsign on the highway to Armageddon.
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:02:41 +0000 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Kanye West Again Ruins Award Recipient's Moment Okay. I lied. THIS is my last take on the Kanye West mess: Kanye West spoiling the "moment" for a white girl is more controversial than Jack Black exhorting everyone in the audience to "hold hands and pray to Satan." Only in America. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <ravena...@...> wrote: > > My last take on the Kanye West mess: it wasn't too long ago when a black man > would be lynched for having the temerity to step wise to a precious white > flower of the Confederacy. That Mr. West can do so on national television > and live to tell about it is indisputable evidence of how far we have come. > > As a character in my unpublished novel says, "What virtue is there in being > chaste when that is the only choice you have?" > > ~(no)rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > I'm not even close to doing a "Bill Cosby", whatever that means. And I have > > sensed some black folks irritated because Taylor Swift is a young blonde > > white girl. That has nothing to do with it for me. I think his behavior is > > just boorish and stupid. One thing black people used to be able to count on > > was that we had good "home training", that our mamas and daddies taught us > > to act like we had some "sense". When he did this to a group of white male > > singers a while back, I thought that was ridiculous. We have to be careful > > to avoid this near malicious pleasure at what we see as some black hero > > giving it back to Whitey. that ain't what this is about. > > > > You're way too focused on what's cool, what's hip, what's seen as edgy, > > what gets people press, at people's "rights". What you're missing is that > > the right of speech for you should not infringe upon the right of speech > > for me. Had Kanye presented and wanted to say that, I'd have still thought > > he was out of line, but okay, that his biz. Don't invite him back to speak. > > Had he said it in an interview later, his business. He he blogged or > > twittered it, fine. His biz. > > > > But this guy jumped up on stage and took the mic from another person, > > ruined her moment, and then proceeded to tell millions she didn't deserve > > it. That is out of line. You can't possibly tell me that in your > > life--personal, church, or business--if someone did that to you, you'd let > > it go as "their right to free speech". You tellling me that everytime you > > made a presentation at work, got an honor, received praise from someone, > > that if someone jumped u and did you that way you'd be cool with it? The > > way I was raised, you want to say something you wait your turn. You act > > with decorum and common sense. And the way I grew up, when you physically > > Bogart your way into someone's space and face, it's a belligerent act that > > could start something. It's rude and stupid, no matter the gender, age, > > race, class, coolness, genius, standing, or rep of any of the principals > > involved. > > > > As for comparing this to other governments, what of it? Boorish behavior is > > boorish behavior. And even then, you're getting it wrong. The Brits do a > > strong session where one person talks, another jumps up and responds, and > > on and on. The crowd yells and harumphs, and all, but the Parliamentarians > > don't jump up and wrestle the mic from each other. If they continue always > > speaking over each other, they're called to order. > > > > I strongly think we need to step back from this rancor based on politics, > > ideology, class, and (what I'm hearing here) racial conflict, and remember > > what it is to "act like you got some sense". > > > > Kanye is a black man raised by a black mom who I know taught him better. > > Were she still alive, I'm pretty sure she'd have been just as upset with > > his behavior as I am, no matter what color Swift had been. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:57:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Kanye West Again Ruins Award Recipient's > > Moment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that you are trying to do a Bill Cosby here. Frankly, he can do > > whatever the hell he wants short of shooting someone on stage. All press is > > good press. The subtext that I am reading here is "poor little white girl > > abused by the evil buck negro..." I have no sympathy for the rich rug rat > > at all nor do I like Kanye or his music. What I am defending is his right > > to say what he said. > > > > MTV is a joke, and a thin shadow of what it used to be. > > > > The US is very tame when comes to outbursts. Watch a UK Parliamentary > > meeting sometime. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so it's "mild", that still doesn't justify it! That's like say Joe Wilson > > calling Obama a liar is mild compared to the Southerner who beat a Northern > > Congressman unconscious in chambers (way back in the 1800s, arguing over > > slavery and states' rights). > > > > I fear we are falling too far into "everyone's doing it", "I'm gonna yell > > louder than my opponent", "I'm hard so I gotta represent", "I don't like > > what you did so I can act rude" territory. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mr. Worf" < HelloMahogany@ > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:30:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Kanye West Again Ruins Award Recipient's > > Moment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rapping is about machismo and wit. It is based on the streets even if they > > grew up going to private school in suburbia. Acting civil is not always > > part of the program. Also, I think that there is another statement being > > made that hasn't been brought up yet. It is about the VMA process. Video A > > may be a better video than Video B, but if video B was made by a teen pop > > idol it will win every time. > > > > What Kanye did is mild compared to some of the other incidents out there > > involving other rappers. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Daryle Lockhart < daryle@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Because sometimes...SOMEtimes...rude is cool. > > > > > > Youth culture is not supposed to be neat and polite. Somebody's gotta be a > > bad ass. This month? It's Kanye. > > > > > > But that's not even the real problem. > > > > > > Please understand that my problem is that MTV has demonstrated on numerous > > occasions (let's not forget, someone walked on stage during Jay-Z's number > > as well last night) that their security is lacking. But the conversation is > > about Kanye. The point is that Kanye should have WANTED to get on stage but > > couldn't, and THEN blogged about it. MTV set conditions that allowed him to > > act on his impulse, a situation that could be dangerous to future events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Daryle, one question. > > > > WHY do we need Black artists being rude? > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: daryle@ > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:13:54 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Kanye West Again Ruins Award Recipient's > > Moment > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with him is that every time he does this and releases and > > album it sells millions of copies and downloads. What's wrong with him is > > that he's been a jerk on records for years now and everybody loved him. > > When his mom died, everybody blogged about how they "understood". Really? > > Well then how does everyone turn on him when he acts a fool? Who's been > > checking on and mentoring Kanye during all of this? The first paragraph of > > this piece is the most important. Kanye's village is the entertainment > > industry. > > > > > > > > What I love about everyone's criticism of this is that nobody finds it > > strange that these kinds of things happen around MTV events. How, exactly, > > does one get to go on stage during someone's acceptance speech, in New York > > City, in September? Is there NO security? Furthermore, how is there no > > contingency plan for KANYE WEST, a dude who has done this before. > > FURTHERmore, how does Kanye West get into Radio City with an open bottle of > > Hennessey, unchecked? > > > > > > How does MTV's parent company have to pay millions of dollars in fines to > > the FCC over Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" and then, the event > > where she's one of the opening acts, there's no contingency plan for > > something to happen on stage? > > > > > > Additionally, Taylor Swift did NOT handle it gracefully. She reacted like > > the line judge at the US Open this weekend, acting like her life was in > > danger. She had just got finished talking about how she was a country > > artist. Good luck taking the mic from Dolly Parton. Kanye would have gotten > > HANDLED at the Grand Ol Opry. No, Taylor went into "little ol me" mode, but > > still held it together enough to perform. This is show business. > > > > > > I am so tired of media companies getting a pass when stuff happens on their > > dime. If this were Johnny Rotten all the blogs would be talking about how > > "cool" it was and how "real rock and roll is back". Why can't a Black > > artist be rude? the dude's whole act is being rude and cocky. The guy has a > > song about his BIG EGO. WTF is "he's lost it this time". No, he lost it > > when he said "George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People", but because we > > all AGREED with that, we let it go. If THIS is wrong, THAT was wrong. > > > > > > And finally, spare me the "poor Taylor Swift". When Beyonce gave her the > > opportunity to "have her moment", the child literally went out there and > > finished her speech. No dap to Beyonce, no acknowledgment that she didn't > > direct the video, and that the DIRECTOR really deserved the award...just > > "mememememe", turned, and left. > > > > > > This is show business. Everybody has an act. Everybody bought the "Kanye is > > weird and might be crazy" act and DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. Now it's doing what > > it said on the box, and everybody's up in arms? Come on. Let's not be this > > stuffy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get away from healthcare, rude Republicans, and terrorists. As Monty > > Python gang said, "And now for something completely different..." what the > > heck is wrong with the brother?? > > > > ************************************************** > > > > > > Kanye West Has Truly Lost It This Time > > > > Posted 6 minutes ago by Billy Johnson, Jr. in Hip-Hop Media Training You > > know that saying, it takes a village to raise a child? > > Apparently, Kanye 's village has failed him. He obviously doesn't have a > > real friend in the world. There does not appear to be anyone who can get > > through to him, to make him understand that he needs to curb his obnoxious > > behavior. > > I thought it was a joke when Kanye showed up on the MTV Video Music Awards > > stage next to Taylor Swift , right in the middle of her acceptance speech > > for Best Female Video for " You Belong With Me ." It was the first Moon Man > > for the 19-year-old country starlet, who has become an equally huge star in > > the pop world. > > "I always dreamed about what it would be like to win one of these one day," > > Taylor said with surprise. "I never thought it would happen." > > As Taylor continued, Kanye interrupted, saying he thought Beyonce's "Single > > Ladies" video was wrongly overlooked. "Hey Taylor, I'm really happy for > > you, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time." > > Taylor looked humiliated. I felt humiliated for her. The audience booed > > him, and gave her a standing ovation. > > I didn't expect Taylor to win that award, and I'm not upset about Kanye's > > opinion. However, bum-rushing the stage wasn't the appropriate time and > > place to express his disagreement. > > Not only was Kanye's approach disrespectful, it was especially a > > disrespectful act directed towards a woman--a teenage girl, actually. > > Taylor won't turn 20 until December. I can only imagine how her father > > feels. I'm sure he would like to have a talk to Kanye. I'm not related to > > her, and I'd like to have a talk with him. > > If Kanye wants people to win the awards he thinks they deserve, he should > > create his own event. He should name it after his website, > > KanyeUniversecity.com , and webcast it. > > Kanye is a guest at the MTV Video Music Awards. He does not determine the > > winners. The winners are determined by popular vote. Furthermore, aside > > from the fact that Taylor Swift is a top-selling artist, who has > > revolutionized teen country pop, she did not have any competition in this > > category as her competitors Beyonce, Lady GaGa, Pink, and Kelly Clarkson > > split the pop vote. Taylor had to get 100 percent of the country vote, plus > > some of the pop vote as well. > > It's simple math that even a "College Dropout" should be able to figure > > out. > > Ironically, a MTV writer joked that Kanye's rant was an indication that he > > might be inebriated. "Kanye West ruins Taylor Swift's big moment," the > > MTV.com editor wrote. "Further proof that he's on the Hennessy. In my > > humble opinion, that is." > > MTV also reported that Perez Hilton and Hayley Williams started a > > #TeamTaylor trend on Twitter. > > Pink tweeted about her annoyance with Kanye. "Kanye West is the biggest > > piece of sh-t on earth. Quote me," she wrote. "My heart goes out to Taylor > > Swift. She is a sweet and talented girl, and deserved her moment. She > > should know we all love her." > > Kanye has previously made award show rants about Gretchen Wilson, Justice > > and Simian, as well as Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, but this was > > the worst. > > I give credit to Taylor. She handled it gracefully. The audience countered > > him by giving her a standing ovation, and booed Kanye throughout the night > > whenever his name was mentioned. > > Taylor performed "You Belong With Me" live just minutes later. I watched, > > wondering if she would feel flustered, and if it would show in her > > performance. But it didn't. > > I think she channeled that negative energy into a positive. Good for her. > > Fortunately, Taylor got another chance to complete her acceptance speech. > > When Beyonce accepted the Best Video Award for "Single Ladies," she invited > > Taylor back on stage. > > "Wow, this is amazing," Beyonce said when receiving her award. "I remember > > being 17-years-old and up for my first MTV award with Destiny's Child. It > > was one of the most exciting moments in my life. So, I'd like for Taylor to > > come out and have her moment." > > Taylor then joined Beyonce on stage and recited her acceptance speech > > without making reference to Kanye. > > Still, MTV should have thrown Kanye out of the event. Had any other heckler > > had the audacity to interrupt the broadcast, they would have been thrown > > out and probably charged. He should not be treated any differently. > > This dude needs help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. 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