I should amend to say the gas cloud feeds on hemoglobin...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Johnson" <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 2:24:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 The eps you're thinking of are "Obsession" about the gas cloud that feeds on iron, can change its molecular structure, and uses gravity for FTL travel ( a show I love actually, what do you dislike about it?), and "Operation: Annihilate" about the braincell creatures that attached themselves to people. Now that show, i get your disdain. Even as a kid I didn't get how they couldn't kill the creatures. McCoy says he and Spock tried "heat, light, and radiation" to kill their test subject. The answer? Ultraviolet radiation. WTF? You mean they skipped an important compenent of the spectrum?? How ?? And that foolishness about Spock's inner eyelid protecting his eye made no sense: he still went blind, and I doubt even a second lid could protect agains the brightness they were using. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 3:50:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 As for the Trek eps, you got them all in one swoop. Also, there's two whose titles won't come to my over-concussed brain, one about the gaseuos creature that killed people by feeding on the iron in people's blood and the one I dub "The Fried-Egg Monster Ep", with the creatures that attacked people's nervous systems by latching onto their spines. As for what you haven't read, the Foundation series is, IMO, slow but epic, the kind of trip you don't regret having taken. Moorcock can, at times, be a bit too weird for your sensibilities, I suspect. At times, he openly deals with incest and other themes unabashedly. As for not reading any of Octavia's work... you may want to *duck*. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:23:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 Wow, great story. What were the "childish" Trek eps that you didn't like? I can imagine some possibilities: "And the Children Shall Lead", "Spock's Brain", "The Way to Eden", "The Mark of Gideon", "The Alternative Factor"? I haven't read the Helliconia books. I tried when i was younger, but couldn't get into them. Never read any Moorcock either. And have to admit, i haven't read the Foundation series, the Dune novels, any of Octavia Butler's books, or anything from Stephen King. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 5:22:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 Oh, yes. Those were the days, falling across a Sweet cover. I bought a couple of books that weren't even bad enough to qualify as crap, but his artwork made it worth owning. My first exposure to SF was just after OS Trek began in reruns, and the childishness of some of the episodes drove me to start writing, first just for my closest friends. One of them, Beth, gave one of my stories to our English teacher who, after reading it, gave the class a pop quiz, exempting me and taking me across the hall to an empty office. There, he showed me the story, begged me not to be angry with Beth for showing it to him, and then telling me to begin writing in earnest, on things NOT Trek. He also told me where to find the SF/fantasy section of the library that the city had just built. My first SF novel was Aldiss' "Helliconia Winter". After that, Moorcock and Stapledon. Then I began reading the American authors, Heinlein, Asimov, Silverberg... Those were the days. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:39:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 Yeah, it was heaven! From about the time I was eight, until around the age of 18 or so, I pretty much read nothing but science fiction: starting with Andre Norton (some fantasy there of course), Heinlein, Clarke, all the standards. The discovery of adult-oriented scifi was the first wondrous time for me. I discovered fantasy after seeing one of the Covenant books--The Illearth War--in a grocery store, and being intrigued. I then went home and read my brother's copy The Hobbit, was entertained, and decided to explore fantasy. Went back to find the Covenant trilogy, was hooked, then embarked on that six year journey. Eyes glazed indeed. It got to the point where if a book had the stamp of "Del Rey Fantasy", I'd buy it. Or, if the cover art was by a guy named Darrell K. Sweet (did the Covenant covers, among others), I'd buy it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 8:21:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 WHOA... I took in all of those, too, but over a span of thirty-odd years. The entirely of that, in so short a span... you ended up in a corner, glazed look in your eyes for weeks afterward, right? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:13:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 An *awesome* moment! May spoke of the energy crackling and coruscating all around Remillard's ceremetal containment unit. Her power was off the chart! Remember how it took that huge concerted effort of psi's to tackle her, focusing all the power in a wedge with Aiken Drum at the tip, and her torturer as the "fuse"? Good stuff. What a heady time it was for me when I read May's work. In about a five or six year period, I discovered the following works: the Pliocene Exile series, Kurtz's Deryni series, Barbara Hambly's Time of the Dark series, the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, the Xanth and Phaze novels by Piers Anthony, Zelazny's Amber novels, the Shannara books, the Belgariad, the Dragon Riders of Pern, Varley's Titan, Wizard, and Demon, the Ringworld books, and the Silmarillion. Can you imagine coming new to all that in five years?? I was *never* without something exciting to read, and was always breathless for the next book--hell, the next chapter--to come. Don't think i can recall a more exciting time before or since in the fantasy world for me. The closest would be recently when someone in this very group (can't remember who) turned me on to the Riftwar Saga. I've been a fan of that world ever since. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Smith" <daikaij...@yahoo.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 4:21:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4 I loved that series. I remember being blown away when Felice D-Jumped and nearly killed Marc Remillard. It was such surprising and scary moment. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@...> wrote: > > > > The result of years of reading Marvel's Handbook (with all the power levels > and comparisons listed). Also, stuff such as Julian May's Pliocene exile > series, where powers are broken down into Farsensing (telepathy/remote > sensing), Pyschokinesis, Coercion (mind control), Redaction (mind > reading/altering), and Creativity (matter/energy manipulation). > > > > I tend to think a lot about powers and how they'd be of benefit. I tend to > break them down into offensive (e.g., Cyclops' optic beams, Wolvie's claws), > defensive (Juggernaut's invulnerability, Blob's mass of blubber, Storm's > winds applied at a foe), information gathering/stealth (telepathy, > invisibility, intangibility), and special powers (Forge's knack with > machines, mind control of Xavier, etc). > > > > So, when thinking of a superpower I'd like to have, I try to think of one or > two that cover the gamut and would give one as many tools as possible. > Magneto, Storm, Graviton, and Xavier--all of which could be called > "elementals"--are tops in the list for covering all bases. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass > quits Bourne 4 > >  > > > > > Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought > about this). > > ~rave! > > The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? > Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one would > buy them. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to > > avoid danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just > > 'port behind their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). > > I also like intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and > > resistance (avoidance) to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility > > because with the former you can get into and out of anything, while > > being invisible doesn't help if you can't pick the lock on a vault, or > > can't figure a way to get around pressure plates or temperature sensors. > > > > > > > > I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but I > > tend to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me > > it'd be strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe > > manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those > > powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather > > manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass > > quits Bourne 4 > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every time it > > comes on. > > > > (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). > > > > ~rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but there > > > was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a > > > Saturday night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they > > > didn't really explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in > > > God's eyes. Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating > > > actor, which was a big problem. The script was a bit spare, the > > > movie too short, and some key things left unfulfilled. (ringing > > > endorsement, eh?!) > > > > > > > > > > > > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The > > > jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are > > > limitless. In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, > > > while defintely way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on > > > plotting, and curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, > > > maybe Jumper 2 can round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw > > > and enjoyed in the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be one > > > of those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, > > > rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker013@> > > > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3000@, ggszig@, > > > cdemorsella@ > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass > > > quits Bourne 4 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all channel these thoughts... > > > > > > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." > > > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3000@; ggszig@; cdemorsella@ > > > From: tdlists@ > > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass > > > quits Bourne 4 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another hit > > > today as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the > > > films as star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row > > > over the script. > > > > > > Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass wasn't > > > happy when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to work > > > on a 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already penned > > > by Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. > > > > > > Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the way > > > he's handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has > > > suffered reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. > > > http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg > > > > > > > > > If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - he > > > could be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and > > > refuse to shoot with anyone else. > > > Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise his > > > own and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. > > > Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break from > > > Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... > > >  Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? Should Damon stick > > > by his side? Sound off below... > > > > > > > > > http://www.totalfilm.com/news/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. > > > > > > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. Click here to download. Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. Click here to download.
