My question about ST is why didn't they make Jordy some new eyes? On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote:
> > > No, I get that, I'm just saying even an inner eyelid wouldn't protect > Spock's eyes from light that was calibrated to be at the intensity > encountered near their son. It'd blind him, and i doubt even his optic > nerves and retinas could heal. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:30:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul > Greengrass quits Bourne 4 > > > > It kind of fits with the mythology of the creation of Vulcan. Their sun > changed stages and burned away most of the planet's vegetation. If the same > thing happened here we would probably have evolved with different kinds of > eyes as well. Humans evolved differently to adapt to certain conditions to > suit their environment, but I don't think that we would have developed a 2nd > eyelid like an alligator. (Eskimos developed sunglasses to block out the > sun's rays.) > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> The eps you're thinking of are "Obsession" about the gas cloud that >> feeds on iron, can change its molecular structure, and uses gravity for FTL >> travel ( a show I love actually, what do you dislike about it?), and >> "Operation: Annihilate" about the braincell creatures that attached >> themselves to people. >> >> Now that show, i get your disdain. Even as a kid I didn't get how they >> couldn't kill the creatures. McCoy says he and Spock tried "heat, light, and >> radiation" to kill their test subject. The answer? Ultraviolet radiation. >> WTF? You mean they skipped an important compenent of the spectrum?? How ?? >> And that foolishness about Spock's inner eyelid protecting his eye made no >> sense: he still went blind, and I doubt even a second lid could protect >> agains the brightness they were using. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> >> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 3:50:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> >> As for the Trek eps, you got them all in one swoop. Also, there's two >> whose titles won't come to my over-concussed brain, one about the gaseuos >> creature that killed people by feeding on the iron in people's blood and the >> one I dub "The Fried-Egg Monster Ep", with the creatures that attacked >> people's nervous systems by latching onto their spines. >> >> As for what you haven't read, the Foundation series is, IMO, slow but >> epic, the kind of trip you don't regret having taken. Moorcock can, at >> times, be a bit too weird for your sensibilities, I suspect. At times, he >> openly deals with incest and other themes unabashedly. As for not reading >> any of Octavia's work... you may want to *duck*. >> >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:23:39 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> >> Wow, great story. What were the "childish" Trek eps that you didn't like? >> I can imagine some possibilities: "And the Children Shall Lead", "Spock's >> Brain", "The Way to Eden", "The Mark of Gideon", "The Alternative Factor"? >> I haven't read the Helliconia books. I tried when i was younger, but >> couldn't get into them. Never read any Moorcock either. >> And have to admit, i haven't read the Foundation series, the Dune novels, >> any of Octavia Butler's books, or anything from Stephen King. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> >> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 5:22:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> Oh, yes. Those were the days, falling across a Sweet cover. I bought a >> couple of books that weren't even bad enough to qualify as crap, but his >> artwork made it worth owning. My first exposure to SF was just after OS Trek >> began in reruns, and the childishness of some of the episodes drove me to >> start writing, first just for my closest friends. One of them, Beth, gave >> one of my stories to our English teacher who, after reading it, gave the >> class a pop quiz, exempting me and taking me across the hall to an empty >> office. There, he showed me the story, begged me not to be angry with Beth >> for showing it to him, and then telling me to begin writing in earnest, on >> things NOT Trek. He also told me where to find the SF/fantasy section of the >> library that the city had just built. My first SF novel was Aldiss' >> "Helliconia Winter". After that, Moorcock and Stapledon. Then I began >> reading the American authors, Heinlein, Asimov, Silverberg... >> >> Those were the days. >> >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:39:13 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> >> Yeah, it was heaven! From about the time I was eight, until around the age >> of 18 or so, I pretty much read nothing but science fiction: starting with >> Andre Norton (some fantasy there of course), Heinlein, Clarke, all the >> standards. The discovery of adult-oriented scifi was the first wondrous time >> for me. >> >> I discovered fantasy after seeing one of the Covenant books--The Illearth >> War--in a grocery store, and being intrigued. I then went home and read my >> brother's copy The Hobbit, was entertained, and decided to explore fantasy. >> Went back to find the Covenant trilogy, was hooked, then embarked on that >> six year journey. Eyes glazed indeed. >> It got to the point where if a book had the stamp of "Del Rey Fantasy", >> I'd buy it. Or, if the cover art was by a guy named Darrell K. Sweet (did >> the Covenant covers, among others), I'd buy it. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> >> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 8:21:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> WHOA... I took in all of those, too, but over a span of thirty-odd >> years. The entirely of that, in so short a span... you ended up in a corner, >> glazed look in your eyes for weeks afterward, right? >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:13:06 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> >> An *awesome* moment! May spoke of the energy crackling and coruscating >> all around Remillard's ceremetal containment unit. Her power was off the >> chart! Remember how it took that huge concerted effort of psi's to tackle >> her, focusing all the power in a wedge with Aiken Drum at the tip, and her >> torturer as the "fuse"? Good stuff. >> >> What a heady time it was for me when I read May's work. In about a five or >> six year period, I discovered the following works: the Pliocene Exile >> series, Kurtz's Deryni series, Barbara Hambly's Time of the Dark series, the >> Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, the Xanth and Phaze novels by >> Piers Anthony, Zelazny's Amber novels, the Shannara books, the Belgariad, >> the Dragon Riders of Pern, Varley's Titan, Wizard, and Demon, the Ringworld >> books, and the Silmarillion. Can you imagine coming new to all that in five >> years?? I was *never* without something exciting to read, and was always >> breathless for the next book--hell, the next chapter--to come. >> >> Don't think i can recall a more exciting time before or since in the >> fantasy world for me. The closest would be recently when someone in this >> very group (can't remember who) turned me on to the Riftwar Saga. I've been >> a fan of that world ever since. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B Smith" <daikaij...@yahoo.com> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 4:21:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul Greengrass >> quits Bourne 4 >> >> >> I loved that series. I remember being blown away when Felice D-Jumped >> and nearly killed Marc Remillard. It was such surprising and scary moment. >> >> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@...> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > The result of years of reading Marvel's Handbook (with all the power >> levels and comparisons listed). Also, stuff such as Julian May's Pliocene >> exile series, where powers are broken down into Farsensing (telepathy/remote >> sensing), Pyschokinesis, Coercion (mind control), Redaction (mind >> reading/altering), and Creativity (matter/energy manipulation). >> > >> > >> > >> > I tend to think a lot about powers and how they'd be of benefit. I tend >> to break them down into offensive (e.g., Cyclops' optic beams, Wolvie's >> claws), defensive (Juggernaut's invulnerability, Blob's mass of blubber, >> Storm's winds applied at a foe), information gathering/stealth (telepathy, >> invisibility, intangibility), and special powers (Forge's knack with >> machines, mind control of Xavier, etc). >> > >> > >> > >> > So, when thinking of a superpower I'd like to have, I try to think of >> one or two that cover the gamut and would give one as many tools as >> possible. Magneto, Storm, Graviton, and Xavier--all of which could be called >> "elementals"--are tops in the list for covering all bases. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> >> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 3:10:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> > >> >  >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Wow. I am just Pinky to your Brain! (I guess we can say you have thought >> about this). >> > >> > ~rave! >> > >> > The Brain: Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? >> > Pinky: I think so, Brain, but if they called them "sad meals" no one >> would buy them. >> > >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Yeah, teleportation is a good power, one of my favs too. Allows one to >> avoid danger, wreak all kinds of havoc(facing an army? No biggie: just 'port >> behind their lines, or 'port a bomb into their midst then skedaddle). I also >> like intangibility, as it's a great one for covert ops and resistance >> (avoidance) to injury. I like intagibility over invisibility because with >> the former you can get into and out of anything, while being invisible >> doesn't help if you can't pick the lock on a vault, or can't figure a way to >> get around pressure plates or temperature sensors. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I like the standards of strength, speed, and invulnerability too, but >> I tend to lean toward powers that are more diverse in usage. Thus, for me >> it'd be strong telekenesis (flight, lifting objects, forcefields), or maybe >> manipulation of gravity or magnetic fields a la Graviton and Magneto. Those >> powers allow one to control just about everything. Also like Storms weather >> manipulation, which can be devastating on a large or small scale. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> >> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:52:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> > > >> > >  >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I second the emotion on "Jumper." My daughter and I watch it every >> time it comes on. >> > > >> > > (but, then again, teleportation IS my favorite super power). >> > > >> > > ~rave! >> > > >> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > You know what? I didn't hate "Jumper". It was weak, for sure, but >> there was a lot to like about it. My wife and I saw it with a crowd on a >> Saturday night, and had no regrets. Sure, Sam Jackson overacted, they didn't >> really explain why his group felt Jumpers were an abomination in God's >> eyes. Hayden Christenson is not exactly a scintillating actor, >> which was a big problem. The script was a bit spare, the movie too >> short, and some key things left unfulfilled. (ringing endorsement, >> eh?!) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > But all that being said, it was still an enjoyable time waster. The >> jumping was good, and the possibilities only hinted at here are limitless. >> In some ways it reminds me of the first X-Men movie, which, while defintely >> way better in comparison, was also a bit rushed, light on plotting, and >> curtailed in storytelling. I'm thinking that, like X2, maybe Jumper 2 can >> round off those rough edges and show the promise I saw and enjoyed in the >> first. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I have no evidence of this at all, but the first flick seemed to be >> one of those put together after studio/director wrangling, budget issues, >> rewrites, and a rushed shooting schedule. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker013@> >> > > > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >, cinque3000@, >> ggszig@, cdemorsella@ >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada >> Eastern >> > > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> > > > >> > > >  >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Let's all channel these thoughts... >> > > > >> > > > "Mister Liman... 'Jumper 2' is CRAP... move back to 'Bourne'..." >> > > > >> > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who >> in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> > > > >> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; cinque3000@; ggszig@; cdemorsella@ >> > > > From: tdlists@ >> > > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:48:29 -0800 >> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Paul Greengrass quits Bourne 4: Paul >> Greengrass quits Bourne 4 >> > > > >> > > >  >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > he slow development of the fourth Jason Bourne flick took another >> hit today as director Paul Greengrass - a man as intricately linked to the >> films as star Matt Damon himself - walked out on the project in a row over >> the script. >> > > > >> > > > Details are still sketchy, but it would appear that Greengrass >> wasn't happy when Universal brought in up-and-coming writer Josh Zetumer to >> work on a 'parallel' screenplay for the film, rewriting the one already >> penned by Ocean's 12 's George Nolfi. >> > > > >> > > > Greengrass has already been under pressure from Universal over the >> way he's handled the budget on the forthcoming Green Zone , which has >> suffered reshoots and a $150 million pricetag. >> > > > >> http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/p/paul-greengrass-quits-bourne-4-00-420-75.jpg >> > > > >> > > > If Greengrass has left Bourne 4 for good (and it's early days yet - >> he could be lured back), Damon could well decide to remain loyal to him and >> refuse to shoot with anyone else. >> > > > Pure speculation, of course, but Greengrass has made the franchise >> his own and it's hard to imagine anyone else swinging in to the rescue. >> > > > Unless, that is, Bourne Identity director Doug Liman fancies a break >> from Jumper 2 and mourning his cancelled Knight Rider TV reboot... >> > > >  Without Greengrass, will Bourne be the same? 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