There was some talk about doing a large program here but it will probably end up further out from here. However there is a solar training program here where they teach low income folks to become solar panel installers. In San Francisco they have been increasing the number of rooftop solar panels via a government program. (the money is running out)
I think that they could do a larger windmill farm here near the beach. In some areas the wind rarely stops blowing. There's about 2 miles of land that is undeveloped that was used during WW2 that would be a perfect wind farm. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote: > > > You have just confirmed my brief experiences being up close and personal > with wind farms. I think they are kind of whimsical. > > > > They are doing a lot of solar farms out near you. I mostly know as a > result of tracking new projects and funding. Have you seen anything yet. > > > > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:35 PM > > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Why are people afraid of windmills? > > > > > > In the bay area (you probably know about them) there is a large wind farm > with 50 or 100ft tall windmills with huge blades. You can drive up to them > and get close to them. Even when you are near 20 or so of them you barely > hear them. Its just a pleasant woosh / mechanical sound. You hear more noise > from the freeway. A few miles from me is a windmill that is connected to > someone's house with a 6ft blade span. It spins at a higher rate so the > pitch is higher. The higher pitch would make it harder to hear across the > street from it. > > If you are out in the middle of nowhere and there is little to no ambient > sound at night then I guess they would be considered loud. But if you are > nearly a mile away from them you probably wouldn't hear them at all. > > I like the solar farms that they are doing in Spain. (focused light to a > tower with a steam generator) > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Tracey de Morsella < > tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote: > > > > Property values is another issue. My husband reminded me that studies in > Europe have shown that the presence of a wind farm does not lower property > values. I personally would be much more inclined to buy property near a > wind farm than a power line > > > > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:57 PM > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Why are people afraid of windmills? > > > > > > I will check out the articles. One thing that I thought was odd was that > the owner of the windmill company said that there was a client that was > having problems from his neighbors although he had 3500 acres of land around > him. That made me automatically think that the people that were protesting > were lying. Audible sound waves wouldn't travel that far, and they wouldn't > be able to hear the low frequency waves. > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella < > tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote: > > > > Worf: > > > > You know that renewable energy is my business. So, I could not resist > responding. We have a lot of articles on our portal on wind. You can view > them here. > http://greeneconomypost.com/category/green-business/wind-energy-green-business > > Unfortunately, we do not have a lot on the opposition to it. > > > > However most opposition to wind and other forms of renewable energy have > been artificially created. The main culprit is the oils companies with > ExxonMobil leading the charge. I do not have the most recent numbers but > ExxonMobil > has a history of funding groups that have misrepresented the science of > climate change by outright denial of the evidence. According to a study > conducted by the Union of Concerned Scientists in 2007, ExxonMobil had spent > over $16 million to fund climate change skeptic groups as part of a > “tobacco-like disinformation campaign on global warming science.” > <http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html>They > have continued to channel money to these groups. These climate change > skeptic groups work to scare people away from believing climate change and > to make them think that programs that address it will ruin they economy, > steal jobs, etc. > > > > I wrote an analysis debunking their latest investment in this cause. > > Debunking The Spanish Study on The Dire Result of Green Jobs Creation > > http://greeneconomypost.com/debunk-spanish-study-green-jobs-1582.htm > > > > There are some legitimate concerns that people should have about > windmills. The following are the two that I am aware of: > > > > Killing birds. If you build a wind farm in the migration path of specific > bird species, they will die when the fly into them. Having learned from the > past. Most wind energy companies study the bird flight patterns and do not > build their wind farms at these sites. > > > > Some people put wind mills on their roofs unaware of the noise factor. > That is a problem that is likely to go away because there are now windmills > for homes that do not make noise. > > > > The effort by the right ring smear machine is strong, rich, powerful, and > effective. They even have a web site that markets their fear. > > http://www.wind-watch.org/ > > > > Thanks for asking. J > > > > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer > > The Green Economy Post > > http://greeneconomypost.com > > tra...@greeneconomypost.com > > Phone: 425-502-7716 > > > > > > > > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:24 PM > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Why are people afraid of windmills? > > > > > > I was watching a show on small business about a company in New Jersey that > was under attack by a citizens group. One of the claims that is being made > is that the sound that the windmills make causes damage. > http://www.waynewindturbines.com/ > > With different sizes, makes, and manufacturers that cannot be what is going > on. Funny that no one talks about the high tension electrical lines in the > photo. > > What is your first thought on this? > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
