Same here. I always got good grades, but my parents were always told that I tended to talk to much. Indeed, in high school I had to take VOE (Vocation Office Education), where I learned to type, create business letters, etc. I did well, but the teacher gave me a bad grade in citizenship, and told my dad I talked too much for a business-oriented class. I never got that, and have *never* been able to learn anything--be it differential equations, quantum physics, American history--without a lot of healthy discussion. I have always spoken up in class, I have always talked a lot, I have always thrilled to learn by long conversations about subject matter. I think many people are like that, and, this article aside, i think that applies to girls as well. It still puzzles/troubles me that the overall feeling is that girls are more suited to sit in one place and read quietly, while boys must roam free.
The sad thing is that schools are being closed, teachers fired, classes getting larger, and people even talking about extending the school day. None of that is conducive to being adaptable to the differing needs of students. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <martinbaxt...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:54:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Lots of news on boys and school. None of it good. L, sounds as though you're on the right tack. My niece has always been a high-grade poster, but she was constantly in trouble throughout grade and middle school, because the curriculum simply couldn't hold her attention. When my county began the magnet schools program, my sister put her into one right away. She's still a high scorer, and now supremely focused. On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:45 AM, L Freeman < msles59...@yahoo.com > wrote: Any suggestions on what to do with schools that don't want to tolerate boys style? My son is doing well academically, with the exception of writing. He HATES sitting still, and cannot organize his desk to save his life or mine,. He has a natural aptitude and excels in math and science. He is 9. As many calls as I have had from the school, you would think he was a budding serial killer. I will likely home-school him next year, or find a good Montessori school. Unless someone else has been thru this before?? --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] OT: Lots of news on boys and school. None of it good. To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 7:06 PM Absolutely.. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <martinbaxter7@ gmail.com > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:49:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Lots of news on boys and school. None of it good. Keith, I started to read the attached story, then stopped when I saw the group attached to it. The Center on Education Policy frequently appears on Faux/Fixed/Fox news. Take whatever they say with a salt mine. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > wrote: Interesting. I'm not well informed on the latest data on how boys and girls learn. I know there's the feeling that boys are more mechanical, mathematically gifted, hands on. Girls are supposed to be more conceptional, "dreamy". But things like saying girls read what's put in front of them, while boys are harder to control? Is that genetic or societal? Not sure. I never needed motivation to learn to read; in fact, i couldn't *wait* to learn the magic of words as a child. That's a girl's trait, according to the article. At the same time, I loved--and still love--informational books about dinosaurs and outer space (boy's trait). I love "storybooks" (girl's trait), always read what was put in front of me in school (girl's trait), but really like to do my own thing (boy's trait). I learn most efficiently from discussing broad concepts, open forums, and creative thinking, but managed to obtain an EE degree in a fairly inflexible engineering world that brooked no arguing of the rules. So I'm not sure what it means to say that current curricula favor girls. Are girls lacking in creative thought, self-expression, and more used to be controlled in a inflexible learning program? don't know. What I will say, though, is that the emphasis more and more on passing tests, rote memorization, and narrow teaching systems hurts *all* kids, regardless of gender. I just listened on Wednesday to a really good Public Radio program from the dean of Tufts University about how people learn. He discussed how he was labeled "slow" as a kid, almost put back a year, and later, told by a college professor he had no ability for psychiatry. Years later, he led the American Psychiatric Association. What he realized was that how he learned didn't work with the rote memorization that was the standard back then. When he was allowed to learn in a freer, more open way, he excelled. And yet here we are, closing schools left and right (four elementary schools to be closed in DeKalb County, GA where I live), putting the burden of more students on fewer teachers, and somehow still expecting teachers and students to be more proficient at taking standardized tests whose efficacy is dubious at best. School not good for boys? I'd say it's not good for anyone right now... ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *** http://blogs. ajc.com/get- schooled- blog/2010/ 03/17/lots- of-news-on- boys-none- of-it-good/ ?cxntlid= sldr Lots of news on boys and school. None of it good. 12:01 am March 17, 2010, by Maureen Downey A new report comparing math and reading skills by gender offers “good news for girls but bad news for boys,” says Jack Jennings, president of the Center on Education Policy. The study shows a gender gap in reading with girls taking a decided lead. Released Wednesday, the center’s report on the achievement levels of boys and girls on state reading and math assessments found that boys lag girls in reading in all states across elementary, middle and high schools. “Something is going on in our schools that is holding boys back,” says Jennings. ‘Let me emphasize, we do not want a war of the sexes in education…but we need a broad conversation on how boys can do better in schools.” The study confirms the concerns of many educators who have been sounding an alarm for year over the flagging academic performance of boys and the worrisome male dropout rate. While educators worried 20 years ago about the gap between girls and boys in math performance, girls have achieved parity with boys in math, says Jennings. Historically, boys trailed girls in reading in the very early grades, but caught up and exceeded girls by fourth grade. This study shows that is no longer the case. Boys are not making up for lost ground in reading at any point in their k-12 careers. And a reason may be that the hands-on play that helped young boys develop intellectually and learn to problem solve is increasingly curtailed by inflexible academic approaches that better suit how little girls learn. Without that developmental foundation, boys are not progressing in reading or becoming interested in books. Education researcher Susan B. Neuman , an expert in early literacy, was part of a conference call Tuesday to talk to the press about the Center on Education Policy findings. She said the study mirrored what she is seeing in special education where boys, especially minority males, dominate. Neuman is a University of Michigan professor and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Elementary and Secondary Education. Calling the study “a rallying cry,” Neuman said it suggests that schools are not meeting the needs of young boys because of a curriculum that does not reflect their interests and classroom management that does not tolerate their learning styles. The problem is as basic as the content that we put in front of young children, says Newman, noting that while girls prefer storybooks, boys like books that are informational, that tell them about dinosaurs or outer space. “Girls tend to read what people give them,” says Neuman. “They’re intrigued with learning to read. With boys, we have to motivate them to read.” In the past, young children had more choices in school, says Neuman, but the focus on testing and academic learning has left less time for choice and more demand for conformity. The strong emphasis on teaching reading skills, sounds and letters succeeds with girls, but not with boys, she says. (We did not discuss the impact of video games on boys and reading, but a new study suggests th at school performance suffers because of the time boys spend playing video games.) One of the experts expressing concerns about boys has been Anthony Rao, co-author of the new book “The Way of Boys: Raising Healthy Boys in a Challenging and Complex World,” My interview with him is here. >From the vantage point of working with families for 20 years, Rao says that he >has seen less and less tolerance in schools of little boys who can’t sit still >or who are overly aggressive. Boys, for example, are expelled 4.5 times more >often than girls in preschools — a rate that exceeds even high school >expulsions. Today’s classroom is better suited for the ways girls learn, says Rao. “When you promote all this assessment and increasing standardization, you narrow the way you are going to teach kids, eclipsing the ways that boys learn better. You go to much less hands-on and manipulation of objects and to more sit down and lectures.” Also on Tuesday, the MetLife Survey of the American Teacher series issued its own gender gap report. Among its findings: Girls are more likely than boys to: Strongly agree that it is important they go to school or college after high school (71% vs. 65%) Plan to attend a two- or four-year college (85% vs. 73%) Be very confident they will achieve their goals for the future (59% vs. 50%) Girls are less likely than boys to: Agree that they only do enough work to do as well as they need to get by in school (31% vs. 41%) Speak one-one-one with teacher about their interests and things that are important to them at least once a month (43% vs. 52%) There is a lot here – and it’s midnight so I am closing before this turns into the first chapter of a long book. Let’s discuss in the morning.
