Just a matter of the funding becoming available. (Pardons asked for the too-fast Send.)
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: > Mr Worf, I've heard that plans to that effect are on the boards. > > > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> That must be interesting work. That would probably take a long time >> though. I think that they should send a couple of explores like they did for >> Mars to crawl around on the bottom and hope that it doesn't get eaten. >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Martin Baxter >> <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Mr Worf, I know that the pressure angle is being worked on, through the >>> liquid oxygen breathing apparatus being tested extensively right now (the >>> fluid can be adapted for the extreme depths). >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that there are still some hurdles that need to be solved first. >>>> One is being able to see in the deep and another is the pressure. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Martin Baxter < >>>> martinbaxt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay... now that we know how big it is, let's get to exploring it. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Ocean's Depth and Volume Revealed* >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: A Swedish warship, left, escorts a merchant ship, on Tuesday, >>>>>> May 11 ,2010, in the Indian Ocean. (AP Photo/Tim >>>>>> Freccia)]<http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AkvlRGz6TuDWyr_.eX05YNGbvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTNoMjNobTM1BGEDMTAwNTE5IG5ld3Mgb2NlYW4gbWVhc3VyZW1lbnRzIHQEY3BvcwMxBGcDaWQtMjc1MjQEaW50bAN1cwRwa2d2AzExBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN0ZC1mZWF0BHNsawNpbWFnZQRzbHBvcwNGBHRlc3QDNzAx/SIG=12tmu20hb/**http%3A//news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed> >>>>>> LiveScience >>>>>> Staff<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/byline/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=121vpfog1/*http://www.livescience.com/php/contactus/author.php?r=editorial> >>>>>> >>>>>> LiveScience.com<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/byline/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=10sog4vj6/*http://www.livescience.com> >>>>>> livescience >>>>>> Staff<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/byline/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/sig=121vpfog1/*http://www.livescience.com/php/contactus/author.php?r=editorial> >>>>>> >>>>>> livescience.com<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/byline/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/sig=10sog4vj6/*http://www.livescience.com> >>>>>> – >>>>>> Wed May 19, 10:40 am ET >>>>>> >>>>>> The Earth's >>>>>> oceans<http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed#>are >>>>>> among the most mysterious places on the planet, but scientists now have >>>>>> at least figured out how deep the oceans are and just how much water they >>>>>> hold. >>>>>> >>>>>> A group of scientists used satellite measurements to get new estimates >>>>>> of these values, which turned out to be 0.3 billion cubic >>>>>> miles<http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed#>(1..332 >>>>>> billion cubic kilometers) for the volume of the >>>>>> oceans<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=1188p8bmt/*http://www.livescience.com/topic/ocean>and >>>>>> 12,080.7 feet (3,682.2 meters) for the average >>>>>> ocean depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both of these numbers are less than many previous estimates of the >>>>>> ocean's volume and depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> "A lot of water values are taken for granted," said Matthew Charette, >>>>>> an associate scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic >>>>>> Institution<http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed#>( >>>>>> WHOI) in Woods Hole, Mass., who led the new audit of the oceans. "If >>>>>> you want to know the water volume on the planet, you Google it and >>>>>> you get five different numbers, most of them 30- or 40-year-old values." >>>>>> >>>>>> Crude measurements of volume >>>>>> >>>>>> The depth estimate of 2.3 miles is about 69 to 167 feet (21 to 51 >>>>>> meters) less than previous estimates. (Some areas of the ocean, such as >>>>>> the Mariana >>>>>> Trench<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=12ma3o35k/*http://www.livescience.com/common/media/video/player.php?videoRef=LS_090603_marianas>(at >>>>>> nearly 7 miles or 11 km deep) are of course much deeper than the >>>>>> average, while other areas, such as the Mid-Atlantic >>>>>> Ridge<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=123pbuug3/*http://www.livescience.com/animals/091122-deep-sea-creatures.html>are >>>>>> shallower.) >>>>>> >>>>>> The researchers report that the world's total ocean volume is less >>>>>> than the most recent estimates by a volume equivalent to about five times >>>>>> the Gulf of Mexico, or 500 times the Great Lakes.. While that might >>>>>> seem a lot at first glance, it is only about 0.3 percent lower than the >>>>>> estimates of 30 years ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> That small difference shows how accurate even crude measurement >>>>>> techniques were at estimating the ocean's volume. As long ago as 1888, >>>>>> for >>>>>> example, John Murray dangled lead weights from a rope off a ship to >>>>>> calculate an ocean volume - the product of ocean area and mean ocean >>>>>> depth - >>>>>> just 1.2 percent greater than the figure reported by Charette and his >>>>>> colleague Walter H.F. Smith, a geophysicist at the National Environmental >>>>>> Satellite, Data and Information >>>>>> Service<http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed#>of >>>>>> the National >>>>>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Starting in the 1920s, researchers using echosounders improved depth >>>>>> estimates significantly, according to the researchers. Most recently, >>>>>> Smith >>>>>> and >>>>>> others<http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100519/sc_livescience/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed#>have >>>>>> pioneered the use of satellites to calculate ocean volume. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oceans not losing water >>>>>> >>>>>> The trend toward a progressive lowering of volume estimates is not >>>>>> because the world's >>>>>> oceans<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/oceansdepthandvolumerevealed/36218767/SIG=1188p8bmt/*http://www.livescience.com/topic/ocean>are >>>>>> losing water. Rather, it reflects a greater ability to locate undersea >>>>>> mountain ranges and other formations, which take up space that would >>>>>> otherwise be occupied by water. >>>>>> >>>>>> Satellite measurements reveal that ocean bottoms "are bumpier and more >>>>>> mountainous than had been imagined," Smith said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Satellites cannot actually "see" the ocean bottom. Instead, they >>>>>> measure the ocean surface, which reflects what lies beneath. For >>>>>> instance, >>>>>> if a mountain range lurks under a certain part of the ocean, the surface >>>>>> above it will bulge outward. >>>>>> The satellite project has covered virtually all the world's oceans, >>>>>> except for some areas of the Arctic that are covered with ice, Smith >>>>>> said. >>>>>> The result is a "new world map" of the oceans, he said. "Matt [Charette] >>>>>> and >>>>>> I are seeing a better picture of the shape and volume of oceans." >>>>>> >>>>>> Fine-tuning the numbers >>>>>> >>>>>> Satellite measurements do have their shortcomings though: "There is a >>>>>> problem of spatial resolution, like an out-of-focus camera," Smith >>>>>> explained. "We're measuring the sea surface that is affected by >>>>>> mountains, >>>>>> but we're seeing only really big mountains, and in a blurry way. The >>>>>> resolution is 15 times worse than our maps of Mars and the moon." >>>>>> >>>>>> Consequently, the researchers say, more ship-based measurements are >>>>>> needed to augment and "fine tune" the satellite data. And so far, >>>>>> ship-based >>>>>> sonar and other instrumentation have mapped only 10 percent of the >>>>>> Earth's >>>>>> seafloor. >>>>>> >>>>>> "We have gaps in echosounding measurements as wide as New Jersey," >>>>>> Smith said. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would take a single ship 200 years (or 10 ships 20 years) to >>>>>> measure all the ocean-floor depths with an echsounder, according to >>>>>> published U.S.. Navy estimates. >>>>>> >>>>>> The new study, funded in part by the EarthWater Institute, is detailed >>>>>> in the June issue of the journal Oceanography. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>>>>> Mahogany at: >>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>>>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>>> Mahogany at: >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody >>> hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >> Mahogany at: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >> >> > > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
