Agreed, there's a difference in the experiences. I guess for younger folks, the 
tactile experience is the button pushing and scrolling, which is as familiar to 
them as page turning and caressing the spine of a book is to us. I guess when 
those kids' children and grandchildren are reading, then those then-parents 
will complain about how you can enjoy reading a book when the comforting 
feeling of a keypad is replaced with swiping at holoimages in empty air. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B Smith" <daikaij...@yahoo.com> 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:35:19 AM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Barnes and Noble bites the dust 






I miss that as well. 

I can't do the e-book thing. Comic books work for me in that format but I love 
the experience of holding and reading a printed book. The Kindle, Nook, I-pad, 
etc. can't seem to replicate it for me. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@...> wrote: 
> 
> I admit to missing that as well, Charles, sitting around and chatting. 
> Didn't get to do it often, with the demands of work, though. 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles < 
> char...@...> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I made the comment to my wife a couple weeks ago that I'd be screwed if we 
> > had any sort of apocalypse (or lengthy power outage for that matter). After 
> > three moves in one year (and another one coming up in a few weeks), we got 
> > tired of lugging around dozens of boxes of books from state to state. After 
> > the last move, I donated more than a 1000 books to the local library, and 
> > replaced most of them with ebooks. I carry my library around in my pocket 
> > now, which is great… but when the battery dies, it really sucks. 
> > 
> > I have mixed feelings about Barnes & Noble. I was a regular at Oxford 
> > Books in Atlanta for many years, met my wife there, got married in the 
> > coffee shop. Not long after B&N opened up in Buckhead, Oxford started 
> > careening toward bankruptcy, due to a combination of bad management, too 
> > much debt, and sudden intense competition from a national chain. B&N killed 
> > off many many independent bookstores, and now ironically is being killed 
> > off 
> > by virtual competition. Not entirely sure how I feel about that, because 
> > I'd give a lot to be able to sit in the coffee shop at Oxford again 
> > chatting 
> > with the other regulars late into the night. 
> > 
> > From: Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@...> 
> > Reply-To: < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:16:31 -0400 
> > To: < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Barnes and Noble bites the dust 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "My hunch is that B&N never really embraced the Internet or e-books, tied 
> > as it was to the old-fashioned world of physical books and stores." 
> > 
> > Personally, rave, I think that just might be why I like B&N so much. I'm 
> > not big on e-books at all (I picked up a batch over the past few weeks, 
> > only 
> > because it was the only way I could get the books, as they're unavailable 
> > in 
> > print. E-books, for all the marvel they are, are dependent on tech to be 
> > viewable. If you've got a problem with your Kindle or iPhone or computer, 
> > you're SOL. Books don't break down, even when they fall apart. 
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kelwyn <ravena...@...> wrote: 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/110381/clearance-sale-barnes-noble-didnt-evolve-enough?mod=career-leadership
> >>  
> >> 
> >> How did Barnes & Noble (NYSE: BKS - News) fall so far so fast? 
> >> 
> >> The giant bookstore chain, whose superstores once struck fear into the 
> >> hearts of independent booksellers everywhere, put itself up for sale this 
> >> month, rendering it the corporate equivalent of the remaindered books it 
> >> sells at a discount. 
> >> 
> >> The company said it made the move because its shares are undervalued, but 
> >> to me there was an air of desperation about it. 
> >> 
> >> The simple explanation for Barnes & Noble's decline is the Internet, which 
> >> spawned Amazon.com (Nasdaq: AMZN - News), e-readers and digital books. But 
> >> that didn't have to be the end for B&N, which had a dominant market 
> >> position 
> >> and should have out-Amazoned Amazon, leveraging its brand and innovating 
> >> when it began marketing and selling books online. 
> >> 
> >> I know exactly when B&N lost me as a customer. Some years ago, to compete 
> >> with Amazon, B&N began offering free same-day delivery in Manhattan if you 
> >> placed your order over the Internet by 11 a.m. I did so several times -- 
> >> and 
> >> not once did the books arrive when promised. Everything I have ordered 
> >> from 
> >> Amazon has arrived on time or earlier. Then came Amazon's game-changing 
> >> Kindle, and instant delivery. Nothing I've read about B&N's belated rival 
> >> Nook has tempted me to try it. 
> >> 
> >> My hunch is that B&N never really embraced the Internet or e-books, tied 
> >> as it was to the old-fashioned world of physical books and stores. As B&N 
> >> focused on managing decline, a much more nimble Amazon could concentrate 
> >> exclusively on the new world it was forming. B&N needed to destroy its 
> >> business model to prevail. Now it is probably too late. There is a lesson 
> >> for all businesses here. 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell 
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell 
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 


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