On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Addams wrote:

> The problem is that you call Turtledove the best from
>  a perspective of historical integrity relative to our
>  current timeline. Alternative history does not have to
>  have historical integrity relative to our current
>  timeline, only in relation to the timeline that is
>  created in the story.

But suspension of disbelief is still important.  The more I think about 
it, the more I think the Star Wars analogy fits here.  Physical reality 
has rules.  Gravity operates a certain way here, and a certain way on 
the moon.  Sound doesn't travel in a vacuum.  Light travels at a 
certain speed...this speed changes depending on the circumstance...but 
there are very very few occasions in which light travels the speed of 
molasses.

As a science fiction writer (or in this case film maker), there are 
three ways to deal with this.  You can take this as a given, and work 
with it.  You can come up with a reason why a certain rule doesn't 
work.  Or you can just toss it out and not come up with an explanation.

Now I KNOW that Barnes WANTED to write a plausible alternative history. 
  Why?  Because I read the book!  And in talking about the book, Barnes 
talked about his desire to create a PLAUSIBLE alternative world.

So it seems to me that he chose the second option.  That is, he didn't 
black box it--write a book in which people CAN hear you scream in 
space, pass it off as science fiction, and not give a plausible reason 
why.  He attempted to come up with a plausible reason why his history 
worked the way it did...and in my estimation he wasn't successful.


> Unfortunately, white people are
>  far too used to writing Africans out of history
>  (especially scifi writers who tend to write Africans
>  out of future history) or distorting the Africans'
>  presentation out of ignorance of history as opposed to
>  mere artistic license.

I know this.

> Best is purely subjective and
>  there's no objective way to measure the levels or what
>  the next level may be. Yet, an interesting duel.

Of course there is.  Unless you want to take a relativist stance and 
say that the white boys who routinely wrote Africans out of history 
were OK.  Is that what you're saying?

Hell, i KNOW Barnes doesn't agree with this.  He WROTE Lion's Blood to 
go AGAINST this trend...and I appreciate him for it.  He should've done 
more work, that's all.

Dr. Lester K. Spence
Assistant Professor, Political Science and African Afro-American Studies
Washington University
Kellogg Scholar in Health Disparities 2004-2006


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