Magyar B?lint wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 16:28 +0200, Torn?ci L?szl? wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I cannot make optical margins to work. Here's what I did: >> I've written about 20 pages in oowriter, imported it into 1.3.3.12, made >> a nice 3 column layout there. Then I imported the .sla file to 1.3.5svn. >> (Because it is supposed to have better hyphenation/justification >> capabilities. Importing the oo odt file directly to 1.3.5 didn't work >> well to me, that's why imported it first to 1.3.3.12.). In the text box >> properties, 'advanced settings', I set word tracking min: 65%, norm: >> 100%, Glyph extension min: 97%, max: 103%. In 'distance of text' I set >> 'Optical margins' to 'Default' (that's the only option besides 'None'). >> After getting the text hyphenated, the result is quite acceptable, >> except the margins. They look absolutely straight to me, not like >> optical margins should be (hyphens sticking out somewhat). > > ?ppen ez az optikai marg? l?nyege! ?gy igaz?tja a sz?k?z?ket ?s a > karakterek m?reteit, hogy a jobb- ?s balsz?lek egys?gesen sim?k > legyenek. A k?t?jellel v?gz?d? sorokat is ?ppen annyival szedi > sz?lesebbre, hogy a f?gg?leges ne t?rj?n meg. Viszont nem keverend? a > "l?g?" ?r?sjelekkel (angolul hanging punctuation); ezt egyel?re csak > manu?lisan tudod el?rni.
Azt hiszem mindketten tudjuk, hogy mi az optikai marg?, csak mindketten f?lre?rthet?en fogalmaztunk. A l?nyeg, hogy ha megn?zed ezt: http://aqua.scribus.net/hz-scribus.pdf linked from: http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Better_Justification_in_1.3.4 a bal oszlop klasszikus, a jobb optikai marg?val, akkor ?n csak a bal oldalit tudtam produk?lni a fenti be?ll?t?sok ellen?re. Ja ?s k?szi az inkscape tippet, amit a m?ltkor adt?l! Ok, for those of you, who might not speak Hungarian :-) and could not follow my discussion with B?lint, about what optical margins are: there is a nice example in the pdf linked above (left column "normal" justification, right one with "optical margins"). However, after experimenting further with 1.3.5svn, my biggest problems are not that I cannot get optical margins, but the fact, that after all my 17 pages of linked text gets loaded there is _no way_ to use the story editor, it gets so slow. And putting a hyphen here and there manually seems to be the only way to improve automatic hyphenation/justification. The problem is, that the H&J rules in scribus are still too dumb (even in 1.3.5svn): if two hyphenations take place in two subsequent rows (and the max allowed is set to 2) then the next line will not get hyphenated, even if it causes absolutely unacceptable wide interword spaces. In these cases you could often improve the situation by _not_ doing one of the first two hyphenations. Obviously scribus decides about H&J line by line, not reconsidering decisions already made. I wouldn't mind doing it manually, but there is no way to undo an automatic hyphenation (maybe to put the appropriate word into the ignore list in 1.3.5svn). Any hope for paragraph based H&J rules in future versions of scribus? Maybe a switchable option for this if speed is a problem? Any hope to be able to override H&J rules? Is there a way to make the story editor more responsive in 1.3.5svn? If not, I'll stay with 1.3.3.12 for H&J. It is not as nice, not as compact, but at least I can tweak it a bit manually, by hard-hyphens, so I can get a more even-looking result. With 1.3.5svn, most of the lines are nicer, but some lines are absolutely ugly, and there is no way to fix it. Yours: Laszlo
