Dear a.l.e, you are my hero. You are very direct, but you know your stuff. Respect. I was not grumpy, because I was stuck: I was grumpy because the documentation felt like it was all over the place and I tried following previous advice from this list and then you told me that my efforts were useless. Never mind.
As I said before, I want to make documents for our language, not mess with the underlying IT, when other people are so much more competent in that area. So, I can report success, as of last night and this morning: I went and looked over your own write-up for compiling and I liked it. That shall be my plan B. Then I went to the ppa archive and added that repository. And then I "just" installed a fresh version 1.5.3 and next to it (yeah) the version 1.5.2, aka Scribus-ng. This worked just fine, no problems and both programs seem to be functional by first quick test. This means that now I can test 1.5.3 on my own Windows 10 machine and in my virtual Ubuntu. I will not actively search for bugs, but will try to report if ever I find something which would hurt our documents. Then I just went this morning and started learning about AppImages and I love the concept. Linux is a beautiful idea. But being spread thin into all those distros was always a pain for me. If you run a busy office with need for a mix of tools, you keep hearing that you got the wrong distro for this or that. (Linguistics, audio-studio work, Publishing) So hopefully later, I can report, that we got tests running on several OpenSuse machines too. What I am seeing of 1.5.3 so far, is definitely worth the hassle of keeping more than one version. Thank you a.l.e!!! All is well, greetings to the group. Guess what, I am promoting Scribus all over Benin and Togo. Martin On 23.02.2017 14:59, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi martin > >> I had asked a few weeks ago on this list about just getting ready-made >> exes for Windows and Linux and I have kindly received links and could >> get 1.5.3 for Windows. > > in the meantime, the automatic creation of appimages for linux has been > fixed and as mentioned in the other email, you can download it. > > if you're on ubuntu (and your ubuntu is new enough) you should also be > able to use the daily PPA: > > https://launchpad.net/~scribus/+archive/ubuntu/ppa > > it's probably the best bet. > i have not tested it, but then, you will probably have scribus (1.4), > scribus-ng (1.5.2) and scribus-trunk (1.5.3) > > >> Then I wanted 1.5.3 for our office computers (for Linux) and found out >> that we cannot easily install 1.5.2 and 1.5.3 side-by-side. > > yes, it depends on how you install them. > > with appimages and with PPAs you should be able to install multiple > scribus side by side. > > >> So this list informed me, that if we compile ourselves, we have a choice >> of where the output goes - and that supposedly is a way to have both >> versions 1.5.2 and 1.5.3 on one machine. > > this is the harder way and at that time it might have been the only way. > >> This is working fine so far. Work in a virtual machine takes >> somewhat longer? Fine. > > for most things it is not really noticeable. > but if you plan to compile Qt on a virtual machine you will suffer. > > you will also notice when compiling scribus, but it's not that terrible. > >> Then I also very recently received instructions from this list on how to >> compile 1.5.3 for Ubuntu (because the ready-made stuff is killing our >> 1.5.2 installation, remember). And trying those rather >> all-over-the-place instructions I had error-messages about Qt5-elements >> missing. > > in my eyes some of the instructions are sub-optimal. > >> I am very sad to hear, that what I was trying to do was "the most >> useless thing". > > the whole thing together is imo rather a bad choice. > each step can be rational, but looking at it as a whole, it does not > make much sense in my eyes... > > most of all, because in the meantime the automatic building of the > appimages has been fixed. > > >> I am puzzled anyway that there are several web-pages on >> the wiki which explain how-to build. > > if you look deep enough in the wiki you will find any statement and its > contrary. > >> And even when I asked on this list, >> I received the advice to google plus I received links for two different >> pages. From my recent experience, there is no clear instruction, which >> will work "as written". > > as far as i know, there is at least one instruction that is mostly > correct (in my eyes) and if it does not work, the author is ready to fix > it. > but some time ago, i've mostly stopped to step in, when somebody gives > advises i don't agree with. > > >> Maybe you - or somebody else on the list - who has really understood >> this building stuff and who is actually doing it (now, in February 2017) >> on a real Ubuntu could take a moment and share his or her secrets. > > some time ago, i've written this: > > https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-manual-development/blob/master/content/getting-started/getting-started.md > > > it should work (i've updated and checked the list of packages before > pasting the link) > >> So please help me. Make my efforts more than totally useless. Help me >> please to install a working 1.5.3 on my intern's computer (and in my >> virtual Ubuntu for testing) - while still keeping the busy 1.5.2 too. > > as said above: > > - first choice the ppa > - second choice the appimage > - if everything fails, compile the current code. (but try to avoid to > compile Qt) > > >> Yes, this is emotional, yes you challenged me with your very direct >> message. Now make me happy again please. > > i can only suggest you to ask earlier and ask often. > before you are in bad mood because you're stuck : - ) > > it's not really hard to compile scribus, but if you are not used to the > command line (i don't know if you are) and if you have never compiled > software before, you might feel overwhelmed. > > and, no, i did not want to challenge you. > but since i'm not in africa, i have only little time for writing my > emails, and my words can come over a bit harsh... > > >> (And even as we are speaking, >> the team is next door, testing the prototype of the new >> childrens'-activity-sheets-series with real children (though in a >> lab-like-situation; luckily with no probes in their brains, just more >> observers in the room). So this is not about me nerding about, I want >> this minority language to have a working tool for publishing documents >> without hacks and tricks. Just normal publishing, like you have for >> English already. 1.5.3 is the solution. And 1.6. We just need to get it >> working on our computers. > > yeah! > > good luck! > a.l.e > > ___ > Scribus Mailing List: scribus at lists.scribus.net > Edit your options or unsubscribe: > http://lists.scribus.net/mailman/listinfo/scribus > See also: > http://wiki.scribus.net > http://forums.scribus.net > > __________ Hinweis von ESET NOD32 Antivirus, Signaturdatenbank-Version > 14984 (20170223) __________ > > E-Mail wurde gepr?ft mit ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- ZASKE Martin responsable G?G? BP 50 - Bassila - B?nin tel G?G? 66.66.11.11 tel pers 97.44.62.95
