I really like the conversations that are going on in this list. There has been some talk of people complaining about people being elitist and indie, well, I have to say something about it. From my posts I may come off as an indie elitist bastard, but I like to think Im different. Im different in this sense, when Sunny Day was without a label, and were looking for one, I was really hoping they would sign to Capitol or DGC or Epic and be huge, on the radio, doing the music they were making. But they really, really, really changed their sound. But I dont think they changed their sound to please anyone, to be more accesable to anyone, cause they still arent a big band. One of my biggest problems with it is this, they could probably have signed with a major label, but didn't, so they are doing this huge arena rock music without the thought of "getting big" in mind. It would at least be somewhat understandable if they were doing it for the money, there would at least be a reason behind them sounding like they do. Selling out requires one to make money, and I bet Diary still has outsold TRT. No, what is most troubling about their sound now is that I think this is honestly what they always wanted to sound like. It just makes you wonder what would be in their private CD collections if you took a peek. That's all from me for now. Matt np- Wilco - "Summerteeth"