On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ryan, having been on the mailing list for no doubt as long as you myself,
I feel I am qualified to reply to this - I've yet to see anyone post any
message that says the following: "TRT sucked, why don't they break up the
band because they suck so much? They suck-diddly-uck and should be a band
no more."
Having said that, your argument seems to be a bit of a strawman - no one
is saying they should break up. So, to me at least, it's like your trying
to address a problem that doesn't exist.
Furthermore, it is my opinion that, by and large, TRT wasn't all that
good. Not bad, but bad for SDRE. Does that mean they should break up?
Hell no, they can keep doing whatever they want, I've long since moved on
to bands like Cursive to get my Diary-era music fix. However, it also
doesn't mean that we can't properly roast them for putting out something
that many don't like.
Yet, at the same time, a lot of people need to lighten up. Personally, I
give bands a 'breathing room' of about two or three album - if they put
out two or three albums that I just plain do not like, then they don't get
my interest or my money without them having to re-prove themselves (in
other words, I am not there at the music stores the day the CD comes out,
regardless of if I've heard it or not). Tori Amos has run out of
breathing room with her last few albums; Sunny Day I still believe in.
Incidentally, the way the songs sound live is of little importance - if
they don't sound good on the CD, people won't go to the shows (except the
fans like you and I who know they rock live). The first exposure to a
band more often than not comes by way of Radio or CD in the 'big buisness'
marketplace, which it seems SDRE is trying to crack. Relying on good live
shows to hook new viewers doesn't work when live shows are stuffed with
people who are already fans - preaching to the converted, if you will.
Finally, just a list moderation note - posts strictly about hum are a
no-go, so try to mix in some SDRE opinion or facts with your posts. And
try notto restate opinions in your own words - adda new thought to it.
Obviously in this sort of discussion lots of people feel the same way, so
if you make a post that doesn't point out anything new, i.e. you deliver
the same analysis of a song or whatever as someone else already ahs, it's
not likely to go through because that's basically just a me-too post.
(Having said that I don't have a photographic memory of what has and
hasn't been said so there's probably still a 50/50 chance it'll go
thorugh. :))
(In short, RYan, I agree they rock live but don't see that people are
saying they should break up. People can complain about the band if they
want to because those sort of opinions are just as valid as complimentary
ones.)
>
> I don't know why, but i'm gonna apologize in advance (probably because
> i'm planning on using foul language.)
>
> I've been on this list a long time (a LONG time). Don't take that as me
> saying i'm better or more intelligent or anything, i'm just saying that
> i've been around the block here a few times. (If i thought i was better
> than you, i'd tell you straight up :-) ). I've heard complaints about
> TRT come and go. I heard complaints about HIFTBSO. And through it all
> i've just kind of chuckled on the inside.
>
> how many of you have seen them live? those of you who have are quite
> lucky. I myself have been the lucky member of about 8 shows. Every
> single show was awesome. every fucking song that they played was off
> the hook amazing. I don't care how it sounded on the record, live,
> those songs held up and they fucking rocked the house.
>
> now... how many of you were around when there was no SDRE? either
> before or after the break up, doesn't matter. Remember how much it
> sucked to love the band so much, but it really didn't matter because
> they weren't there? Remember how fucking great it felt when we heard
> that they were back in the studio? remember that show at the moore
> theater where there wasn't a dry eye in the house?
>
> through all your complaints of TRT (and even HIFTBSO), would you rather
> go back to the days where there WAS NO sdre? would you rather be robbed
> of those live shows? miss out on those moments of pure elation and
> sorrow at the same time? remember that this means that you will never
> have the chance to see the "old" songs be played either...
>
> i don't think so.. and if you do, then you shouldn't waste your time
> with this mailing list. so... don't tell me how much you think TRT
> sucks. it's a mute point and i could give a fuck. just be happy that
> they're playing music (and that will's not a foo fighter).
>
> ryan out.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >
> > I heard about that too. From what i remember, dan took a much more involved
> > approach into the lyrics than jeremy did, probably just because jeremy was
> > busy playing guitar, bass, piano, etc...
> >
> > Lyrics are the biggest problem i have w/this album, though they definately
> > don't bug me as much as some of you have stated. The lyrics on some songs
> > (disappear, snibe, etc) just sound really pretentious and not at all what
> > SDRE would normally do...hopefully, this is due to dan's involvement, and we
> > can all hope that jeremy takes over again next time around.
> >
> > As far as the songs themselves, i really don't mind them that much (i think
> > i'm the only one on here who enjoys "television"). When i first got the
> > album, i liked every single song, but now i'm realizing more and more what i
> > do and don't like about it. It is a decent album (much better than most
> > other stuff out there right now), just not what we've come to expect from
> > SDRE. I guess only time will tell as to whether this "new" style will stick
> > around.
>
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