Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Paul McCall]

Daniel,

Do you have a good source for me to talk to on design for this?  Not sometime 
we do very often and I want to make sure we cover all the dynamics of how it 
gets setup.

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

The Unifi Mesh AP's with a Gen2 Cloud Key... works pretty good.  You can even 
remotely manage it without too much trouble.

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Paul McCall wrote on 8/21/19 16:44:

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800




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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Daniel White]

The folks at DoubleRadius or Streakwave should be able to help.  Many of 
the resellers have certified engineers as well.


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Paul McCall wrote on 8/22/19 05:29:


Daniel,

Do you have a good source for me to talk to on design for this?  Not 
sometime we do very often and I want to make sure we cover all the 
dynamics of how it gets setup.


Paul

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:32 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

The Unifi Mesh AP's with a Gen2 Cloud Key... works pretty good.  You 
can even remotely manage it without too much trouble.


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Paul McCall wrote on 8/21/19 16:44:

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect
about 6 APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is
a thing.  Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the
grounds and need to switch APs automagically. In the past, we have
just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the
main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*







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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Paul,

Give us a call, we have all of the solutions, including the high $$ ones if you 
want it.  Really depends on what they expect.  Expectations are everything.  We 
have deployed systems where a VOIP phone can roam without issues, but again, 
they are different than most.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first Campground. 
Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.




On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 
APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  
Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need 
to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 
2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the 
customer had to pick the best AP.


I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*




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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder what the Xirrus acquisition will mean.  Is the focus on the
development team, cloud management, or the WiFi hardware?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave via AF
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:06 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: dave 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

 

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first Campground. Easy
to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.

 

On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs
back to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the
guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each
spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best
AP.

 

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

 

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?  

 

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

I like cnmaestro for these deployments because once you work out any 
provisioning issues you can hand over the keys to the project or offer a 
MSP contract to help with management or program changes they need.



On 8/22/19 8:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I wonder what the Xirrus acquisition will mean.  Is the focus on the 
development team, cloud management, or the WiFi hardware?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:06 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first 
Campground. Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.


On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect
about 6 APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is
a thing.  Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the
grounds and need to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we
have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to
the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*






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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Sam Lambie]

Bummer. Anyone else out there have some? Bueller? Bueller?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:51 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Just checked, they are old 450, not i
>
>
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
>
>
>
> Just checking in on what you might have laying around.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
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> How many you need? I might have some
>
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> Yo people! Anyone have 4 used 450i AP's laying around that you would like
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Sean Heskett]

Out of curiosity Sam why do you need 450i instead of just 450 APs?

-Sean


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Bummer. Anyone else out there have some? Bueller? Bueller?
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:51 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Just checked, they are old 450, not i
>>
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>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Just checking in on what you might have laying around.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> How many you need? I might have some
>>
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>> *Date: *Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:37 PM
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>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
>>
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>>
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>> to sell?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sam
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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Sam Lambie]

Wide band capabilities, better CPU.  We will be upgrading all of the
subscriber modules to 450B SMs and then we will have the capability of
using the 51 and 52 band.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 11:51 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Out of curiosity Sam why do you need 450i instead of just 450 APs?
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Bummer. Anyone else out there have some? Bueller? Bueller?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:51 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just checked, they are old 450, not i
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
>>> samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just checking in on what you might have laying around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How many you need? I might have some
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:37 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yo people! Anyone have 4 used 450i AP's laying around that you would
>>> like to sell?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Tyson Burris]

I completely agree with your logic Sam.  That is exactly what we are doing as 
well.  Very happy with the performance and results even on lower bands.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Wide band capabilities, better CPU.  We will be upgrading all of the subscriber 
modules to 450B SMs and then we will have the capability of using the 51 and 52 
band.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 11:51 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Out of curiosity Sam why do you need 450i instead of just 450 APs?

-Sean


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Sam Lambie 
mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Bummer. Anyone else out there have some? Bueller? Bueller?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:51 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Just checked, they are old 450, not i

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Just checking in on what you might have laying around.

Thanks
Sam

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
How many you need? I might have some


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From: AF  on behalf of Sam Lambie 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?
 
Yo people! Anyone have 4 used 450i AP's laying around that you would like to 
sell? 
 
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[AFMUG] Security presentation

[Chuck McCown]

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Re: [AFMUG] Security presentation

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Mathew Howard]

Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die
from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently
> is
> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to
> bats.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
>
> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
> exceeding 104 Meters
>
> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because it
> looks
> > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
> >
> >
> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
> >
> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just
> fly
> >> around them.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Chuck McCown]

They try to mate with the blades...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die 
> from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently is 
>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to 
>> bats.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
>> 
>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
>> exceeding 104 Meters
>> 
>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because it looks 
>> > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
>> >
>> > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
>> >
>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly 
>> >> around them.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Robert Andrews]

You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off 
a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks 
you into oblivion...


On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just 
die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
apparently is
dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
damage to
bats.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
exceeding 104 Meters

On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because
it looks
 > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
 >
 >

https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
 >
 > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats
just fly
 >> around them.
 >>
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Bill Prince]

Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. 
Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to 
birds.



bp


On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex 
off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip 
knocks you into oblivion...


On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they 
just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


    There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
    apparently is
    dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
    damage to
    bats.

    -Original Message-
    From: Robert Andrews
    Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
    To: af@af.afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

    That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
    exceeding 104 Meters

    On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
    it looks
 > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
 >
 >
https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
 >
 > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats
    just fly
 >> around them.
 >>
 >>
 >> bp
 >> 
 >>
 >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Security presentation

[Ken Hohhof]

All that sounds good except IMHO the assumption that Linux and Mac are
immune and Microsoft is the weak link.  I think that's like avoiding brown
dogs because you were bit by a brown dog.

 

 

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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Security presentation

 

 


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[AFMUG] FCC Proposes Fines Against WISPs and Issues Warning to Industry

[Seth Mattinen]

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-fines-against-wisps-and-issues-warning-industry-0

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Re: [AFMUG] Security presentation

[Robert Andrews]

OMG I just opened that without even checking it!   I'm probably infected 
now!


On 08/22/2019 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:




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[AFMUG] AGM batteries

[Robert Andrews]

We don't normally use AGM batteries, preferring the higher density of 
liquid.   So what do people set for float voltage for a 12V AGM battery?


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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Chuck McCown]

Well I hear that windmills attract cats.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. 
> Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 
>> 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you 
>> into oblivion...
>> 
>>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die 
>>> from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
>>> apparently is
>>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
>>> damage to
>>> bats.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
>>> 
>>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
>>> exceeding 104 Meters
>>> 
>>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>  > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
>>> it looks
>>>  > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
>>>  >
>>>  > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>  >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats
>>> just fly
>>>  >> around them.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> bp
>>>  >> 
>>>  >>
>>>  >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>  >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
>>>  >>
>>>  >
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Re: [AFMUG] Security presentation

[Chuck McCown]

Bwahhh

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> OMG I just opened that without even checking it!   I'm probably infected now!
> 
> On 08/22/2019 12:54 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> 
>>>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] AGM batteries

[Chuck McCown]

Same as a flooded cell.

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> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> We don't normally use AGM batteries, preferring the higher density of liquid. 
>   So what do people set for float voltage for a 12V AGM battery?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Carl Peterson]

Thats completely bogus.  Windmills don't attract cats.  The wind from the
windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds
to come out.  Its the mice and birds that attract the cats.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well I hear that windmills attract cats.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated.
> Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to
> birds.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off
> a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you
> into oblivion...
> >>
> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just
> die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
> >>> apparently is
> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
> >>> damage to
> >>> bats.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Robert Andrews
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
> >>>
> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
> >>> exceeding 104 Meters
> >>>
> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >>>  > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
> >>> it looks
> >>>  > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>
> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
> >>>  >
> >>>  > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>>  >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds &
> bats
> >>> just fly
> >>>  >> around them.
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >> bp
> >>>  >> 
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>>  >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >
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Re: [AFMUG] Security presentation

[Jay Weekley]

Something tried to install or update when I clicked on the attachment.

Robert Andrews wrote:
OMG I just opened that without even checking it!   I'm probably 
infected now!


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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Carl Peterson]

I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any
chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx
of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should
look into this.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thats completely bogus.  Windmills don't attract cats.  The wind from the
> windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds
> to come out.  Its the mice and birds that attract the cats.
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well I hear that windmills attract cats.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >
>> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated.
>> Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to
>> birds.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex
>> off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks
>> you into oblivion...
>> >>
>> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they
>> just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
>> >>> apparently is
>> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
>> >>> damage to
>> >>> bats.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: Robert Andrews
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
>> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
>> >>>
>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades
>> are
>> >>> exceeding 104 Meters
>> >>>
>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> >>>  > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
>> >>> it looks
>> >>>  > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
>> >>>  >
>> >>>  >
>> >>>
>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
>> >>>  >
>> >>>  > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >>>  >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds &
>> bats
>> >>> just fly
>> >>>  >> around them.
>> >>>  >>
>> >>>  >>
>> >>>  >> bp
>> >>>  >> 
>> >>>  >>
>> >>>  >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>>  >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
>> >>>  >>
>> >>>  >
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Robert Andrews]

Downwind?  That would carry their scent on the wind to the prey?

On 08/22/2019 02:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there 
any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an 
influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody 
should look into this.


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Thats completely bogus.  Windmills don't attract cats.  The wind
from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes
the mice and birds to come out.  Its the mice and birds that attract
the cats.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Well I hear that windmills attract cats.

Sent from my iPhone

 > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way
overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are
far more dangerous to birds.
 >
 >
 > bp
 > 
 >
 >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip
vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph
_next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion...
 >>
 >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
 >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors?
Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
 >>>
 >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the
blade that
 >>> apparently is
 >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind
of lung
 >>> damage to
 >>> bats.
 >>>
 >>> -Original Message-
 >>> From: Robert Andrews
 >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
 >>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
 >>>
 >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters
now blades are
 >>> exceeding 104 Meters
 >>>
 >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
 >>>  > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.
Just because
 >>> it looks
 >>>  > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
 >>>  >
 >>>  >
 >>>

https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
 >>>  >
 >>>  > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
 >>>  >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the
birds & bats
 >>> just fly
 >>>  >> around them.
 >>>  >>
 >>>  >>
 >>>  >> bp
 >>>  >> 
 >>>  >>
 >>>  >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>>  >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
 >>>  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from
  wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty
  hard to measure though.


bp



On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  I
  believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey.
  Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the
  windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their
  prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this.
  
  
  
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08
  PM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  Thats completely bogus.  Windmills don't
attract cats.  The wind from the windmills blows away the
smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come
out.  Its the mice and birds that attract the cats.  
  
  
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at
  4:04 PM Chuck McCown 
  wrote:

Well I hear that
  windmills attract cats.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  > 
  > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is
  way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of
  magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds.
  > 
  > 
  > bp
  > 
  > 
  >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
  >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed
  by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and
  swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into
  oblivion...
  >> 
  >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
  >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about
  the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they
  think it's an eyesore?
  >>> 
  >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown
  >
  wrote:
  >>> 
  >>>     There is a low pressure zone on the lee
  side of the blade that
  >>>     apparently is
  >>>     dramatic enough of a pressure change to
  cause some kind of lung
  >>>     damage to
  >>>     bats.
  >>> 
  >>>     -Original Message-
  >>>     From: Robert Andrews
  >>>     Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
  >>>     To: af@af.afmug.com
  af@af.afmug.com>
  >>>     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling
  Electricity
  >>> 
  >>>     That was back in 2012, and the blades
  were 75 Meters now blades are
  >>>     exceeding 104 Meters
  >>> 
  >>>     On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews
  wrote:
  >>>      > Ummm   blade tip speed is still
  pretty darn high. Just because
  >>>     it looks
  >>>      > slow doesn't mean that it is... 
  180Mph...
  >>>      >
  >>>      >
  >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
  >>>      >
  >>>      > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince
  wrote:
  >>>      >> Not the new giant ones. They
  move very slowly & the birds & bats
  >>>     just fly
  >>>      >> around them.
  >>>      >>
  >>>      >>
  >>>      >> bp
  >>>      >>
  
  >>>      >>
  >>>      >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck
  McCown wrote:
  >>>      >>> Wind kills bats and raptors
  and migratory waterfowl
  >>>      >>
  >>>      >
  >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Matt Hoppes]

Since they put winter Bynes in near my house it’s actually gotten a lot 
windier, in fact every time they are spinning the wind is just gusting.

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any 
> chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx 
> of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look 
> into this.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>> Thats completely bogus.  Windmills don't attract cats.  The wind from the 
>> windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds 
>> to come out.  Its the mice and birds that attract the cats.  
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Well I hear that windmills attract cats.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. 
>>> > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to 
>>> > birds.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off 
>>> >> a 300mph passing blade tip and swap...   300mph _next_ blade tip knocks 
>>> >> you into oblivion...
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just 
>>> >>> die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
>>> >>> apparently is
>>> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
>>> >>> damage to
>>> >>> bats.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> -Original Message-
>>> >>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
>>> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
>>> >>> exceeding 104 Meters
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> >>>  > Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
>>> >>> it looks
>>> >>>  > slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...
>>> >>>  >
>>> >>>  >
>>> >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
>>> >>>  >
>>> >>>  > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >>>  >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats
>>> >>> just fly
>>> >>>  >> around them.
>>> >>>  >>
>>> >>>  >>
>>> >>>  >> bp
>>> >>>  >> 
>>> >>>  >>
>>> >>>  >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >>>  >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
>>> >>>  >>
>>> >>>  >
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[John Osmon]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:11:05PM -0600, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
> So I will stick to coal, I feel we need to free up all that
> sequestered carbon, and coal particulates encourage rainfall thus
> irrigating the earth and cleansing the atmosphere all in one shot.

Lately, I've been taking to calling any type of fossil-fuel "organically
stored solar energy."

Just to see people's reactions.

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