Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Public consultation period

2012-09-30 Thread omd 
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 R106 provides a precises description of how a proposal takes effect,
 and is sufficiently powered to do so. Thus R106 is the rule defining
 the substantive aspects of the proposal: namely what it does when it
 takes effect. Nothing prevents a lower powered rule from causing a
 proposal to take effect.

Gratuitous: Under that interpretation, the text of a proposal is also
not a substantive aspect, because it is merely consulted by R106, not
'intrinsically effectful'; neither does the ID number or power of a
rule (Rule 2141's definition to the contrary fails due to precedence),
or really anything other than the text of the rules, which is the only
thing in the game that has an effect without the rules saying so.

i.e. whether a proposal is taking effect does affect its operation
(very directly; I know a line has to be drawn somewhere for an effect
on operation to be incidental), even though that's only because of
other rules.  (Though perhaps it doesn't fall under R2140 at all, not
being actual, persistent
gamestate...?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Public consultation period

2012-09-28 Thread Sean Hunt 
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 14:06 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote:
 This is a Victory Announcement: The rule entitled 'Win by Junta'
 states that I can cause it to make arbitrary rule changes by
 announcement, therefore I satisfy the Winning Condition of
 Dictatorship.

 This almost certainly has to reference Open It Up somewhere.

 --
 ais523


6130 was indeed Open It Up and was the way that I amended Win by Junta
to give me my power-2 dictatorship.

-scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Public consultation period

2012-09-28 Thread Kerim Aydin 


On Fri, 28 Sep 2012, Sean Hunt wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
  On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 14:06 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote:
  This is a Victory Announcement: The rule entitled 'Win by Junta'
  states that I can cause it to make arbitrary rule changes by
  announcement, therefore I satisfy the Winning Condition of
  Dictatorship.
 
  This almost certainly has to reference Open It Up somewhere.
 
  --
  ais523
 
 
 6130 was indeed Open It Up and was the way that I amended Win by Junta
 to give me my power-2 dictatorship.

scshunt:

I just want to be clear about something.  I see where you make yourself
speaker, but I've missed the place where you remove yourself from having
power-3.  Where does that happen?

-G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Public consultation period

2012-09-28 Thread Sean Hunt 
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
 I just want to be clear about something.  I see where you make yourself
 speaker, but I've missed the place where you remove yourself from having
 power-3.  Where does that happen?

 -G.

I'll do it by announcement before repealing the dictatorship.

-scshunt