[atomic-devel] Adding a new repository on GitHub for

2015-05-08 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Hey all, 

Just a heads up for folks who are paying attention to the (ever-increasing) git 
repositories under GitHub/projectatomic.

Most folks know we've been working on Nulecule 
(https://github.com/projectatomic/nulecule) lately, and we plan to move the 
reference implementation (AtomicApp - https://github.com/vpavlin/atomicapp-run) 
over to the Project Atomic github space shortly. 

Best, 

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud  Storage Analyst
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



Re: [atomic-devel] Base image sizes

2015-05-15 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 05/15/2015 01:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
 Python is probably the next big one, but we can't get rid of that
 until there's a good way to run DNF externally.

Have we looked at tiny-dnf? The VMware folks have expressed interest in
working together there.
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud  Storage Analyst
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] [Proposal] Move atomicapp Vagrant box git repo under Project Atomic

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 06/18/2015 05:53 AM, Lalatendu Mohanty wrote:
 
 We are working on vagrant box/ boxes [1] to provide ready to use
 development environment for atomicapp and nulecule. Currently the base
 vagrant box is based on CentOS7, but we can recreate it on Fedora , RHEL
 and other RPMs based distro if required.  We have released the first
 iteration of the box and working on the next version.
 
 As this effort directly linked with tools within Project Atomic, I am
 suggesting that we should move the git repo under Project Atomic as it
 is logical location for it.

I guess using the CentOS 7 rebuild for the vagrant box won't work for
some reason?

As much as possible I'd like to have all work that's related to Atomic
easily located under the atomic project on GitHub, so I'm +1 for moving it.

Colin also made a good point about coordinating vagrant work. I don't
see that as a blocker but it would be good if all the folks working on
various vagrant things were talking to avoid duplication of effort.

Thanks!

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Open Source and Standards (OSAS)
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://projectatomic.io/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


[atomic-devel] Rebuild images ready for testing

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Good News, Everybody!

KB let me know today that we've got some images of the rebuild of RHEL
Atomic Host ready to test.

You can find images here:

http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/atomic-host/x86_64/images/

This includes 2 flavors of Vagrant box (libvirt/KVM and VirtualBox), a
qcow2 image, and ISO image suitable for installing onto bare metal or
other environments.

We've done some preliminary testing but more is needed. We're hoping to
announce next week, so I'd invite all interested parties to test these
and let us know if you find any anomalies.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Open Source and Standards (OSAS)
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://projectatomic.io/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Screen in Atomic

2015-06-22 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 06/19/2015 10:29 PM, t...@redhat.com wrote:
 Resurrecting this long dead thread as my opinion has changed. Now I'm using 
 Atomic full time as my only operating system at the office:
 
 http://file.bne.redhat.com/~tjay/serve/markdown/The_Atomic_Desktop/
 
 My feeling now is that Atomic only needs that which you'd want *before* 
 running Docker or which should always be regulated to the host (i.e. 
 power-management, networking).

I might just steal this idea... after Summit.

Best,

jzb

-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Open Source and Standards (OSAS)
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://projectatomic.io/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Regarding Meetup

2015-06-30 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 06/30/2015 04:56 AM, Ashutosh Bhakare wrote:
 Help needed from project 
 1) Giveaway items like stickers, t-shirts or any other stuff.

Once you get something planned, if you can let me know ~30 days in
advance we can work out stickers and other giveaways. I'd need to know
where to ship (send off-list!) and roughly how many attendees you expect.

Also, I'm happy to help promote any meetups related to Atomic via
Twitter, Facebook, Google+, and the project blog.

Thanks,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Install Atomic at runtime on CentOS

2015-07-27 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/17/2015 04:09 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
 
 How would I go about setting up something similar with Project Atomic's
 ecosystem?
 
 Happy to contribute some elbow-grease!

Apologies for the delay, I've been traveling.

So - I'm not sure where you'd start, to be honest. This sounds a bit
outside the scope of our current user scenarios. I guess Colin would be
the right person to ask if he's ever thought about / done any work
towards converting a running system from a standard RHEL/Fedora/CentOS
system to one using rpm-ostree.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Ansible on atomic-host

2015-07-27 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/27/2015 11:33 AM, Eric Paris wrote:
 So I haven't dug into this, might be wasting people's time, but
 upstream kube ansible has some 'pre-ansible' tasks to get Rawhide boxes
 functional with ansible [1]. The bare minimum appears (related to
 atomic) to be python2 and libselinux-python.
 
 I know we added python2 by hand, just want to ask that libselinux
 -python also be added if it isn't...

So... we just put in a patch to remove python2 from Fedora 23+, is this
going to be an issue?

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Please add conntrack-tools

2015-07-27 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/27/2015 04:48 PM, Erik Swanson (eriswans) wrote:
  
  On 07/27/2015 02:42 PM, Erik Swanson (eriswans) wrote:
  
  If there's some command already in the Atomic host that can do the 
  equivalent of `conntrack -D ...`, I'd love to know about it. Otherwise, 
  conntrack-tools should probably be added to the host, at least 
  temporarily until Docker itself starts doing the right thing via direct 
  system calls (or however they fix it).
  
  (If this should be filed as a bug in a tracker somewhere, please let me 
  know. I didn't see an obviously appropriate component for requesting 
  package additions for Fedora Atomic in Bugzilla.)
  
  Generally we'd add in the Fedora Cloud Trac:
  
  https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/
  
  We don't typically add tools for short-term debugging... is there a way
  you could do this with a privileged container?
 This is less a debugging thing and more something that needs to be executed 
 every time a udp-publishing container is restarted.
 
 Having to do a `docker run` in an ExecStartPre feels wrong, but, it does 
 work. Thanks.

I'm not trying to completely rule out adding this, just want to make
sure we explore all the angles. If anybody has thoughts on this, please
speak up.

Thanks!

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Announcing Nightly Fedora Atomic ISO Installer Builds

2015-07-21 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/17/2015 09:11 PM, Adam Miller wrote:
 
 I plan to work on Monday to consolidate these different builds to live
 somewhere the downloads can be found in a central location and will
 post an update with that information, but I wanted to be sure and post
 this asap just in case anyone wanted to kick the tires on this stuff
 over the weekend.

Awesome - can you poke me ahead of time so I can announce in
$all-the-places?

Thanks,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Introducing sen: terminal user interface for docker engine

2015-10-26 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Thursday, October 22, 2015 04:27:34 PM Tomas Tomecek wrote:
> for past couple of weeks I've been working on a TUI for docker in my
> free time. I spend most of my time in terminal and I really missed a
> tool like this. Every time I had to delete big amount of
> images/containers I was like... Oh man! Not again.
> 
> With sen, this is no longer an issue because you can browse, manage
> and inspect containers and images with a single keypress.
> 
> Current version is far from being done. I had time to implement just a
> basic functionality (to make it useful). I've opened several RFEs in
> issue tracker which could tell what's planned in future.
> 
> All your feedback is very welcome!

Any chance this is going to be a Cloud feature for Fedora 24? (Probably
jst a bit late to slip into F23 now.) 

Best, 

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



Re: [atomic-devel] [PATCH] Re: Fedora atomic host 23 and ansible

2015-10-28 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 10/28/2015 02:44 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Adam Miller" <maxamill...@fedoraproject.org>
>> To: atomic-devel@projectatomic.io
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:26:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [atomic-devel] [PATCH] Re: Fedora atomic host 23 and ansible
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Colin Walters <walt...@verbum.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015, at 04:05 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
>>>
>>>> Python 2 is explicitly installed, but the question is how far up the stack
>>>> we go.
>>>
>>> Specifically a topical question is `python-docker-py` which is used
>>> by the Ansible Docker module.
>>>
>>> Personally, I vote against adding this - anyone who wants to pull
>>> Docker containers can just use `command: docker pull` relatively
>>> easily, and in the big picture we want Kubernetes to handle things like
>>> this.
>>> Open to discussion though.
>>>
>>
>> I'd vote in favor of including the python-docker-py package for users
>> of Atomic Host and the Ansbile docker module. There have been more
>> than one instance I've been involved in where someone in IRC is
>> reporting that "Ansible doesn't work on Atomic Host" because they were
>> trying to use the docker module and their understanding was the docker
>> was "the way" to do things in Atomic. While kubernetes is great, I'd
>> prefer to offer the userbase more freedom to choose how they deploy
>> and manage docker containers on an Atomic Host and Ansbile seems to be
>> quite popular among the Atomic Host userbase (just in general, not
>> specifically for docker deployments) so I don't think it's an
>> unrealistic expectation that the Ansible docker module works out of
>> the box.
> 
> +1 I'd rather err on the side of satisfying user expectations 

+1 here.

-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] [proposal] Joint meetings between upstream Atomic/Fedora Cloud WG

2015-09-09 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 09/09/2015 02:02 PM, Haïkel wrote:
> So I suggest that every two weeks, we hold joint meetings as in merging
> our weekly meetings not adding a new one. This will enable us to work
> together more efficiently.
> 
> Your thoughts?

So - we don't do separate Project Atomic meetings - there's the CentOS
SIG meeting and Fedora Cloud. I'm amenable to doing just one joint
meeting or finding some way to merge them, though.

Also cc'ing the CentOS devel list.
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


[atomic-devel] CentOS Atomic SIG Meeting Minutes 2015-11-19

2015-11-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier

#centos-devel: CentOS Atomic SIG



Meeting started by jzb at 17:04:29 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://www.centos.org/minutes/2015/november/centos-devel.2015-11-19-17.04.log.txt
.



Meeting summary
---
* CentOS Atomic Host Rebuild  (jzb, 17:05:57)
  * LINK: https://ci.centos.org/artifacts/sig-atomic/20151101/   (jzb,
17:06:27)

* open floor  (jzb, 17:14:06)
  * ACTION: lalatenduM write blog post for ProjectAtomic.io on ADB
builds  (jzb, 17:17:59)

Meeting ended at 17:23:03 UTC.




Action Items

* lalatenduM write blog post for ProjectAtomic.io on ADB builds




Action Items, by person
---
* lalatenduM
  * lalatenduM write blog post for ProjectAtomic.io on ADB builds
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
---
* jzb (40)
* dustymabe (21)
* lalatenduM (13)
* centbot (4)
* walters (2)
* imcleod (0)
* kbsingh (0)
* Evolution (0)




Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4

.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Smaller fedora & centos images

2016-06-20 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Tim St. Clair <tstcl...@redhat.com> wrote:

> My primary concern is mind-share and "precedent eventually leads to
> practice".  If all the images and examples presented say :
>
> ' FROM: alpine '
>
> We've lost the hearts and minds of developers, and we are no longer a part
> of the conversation.
>

Have we published any comparisons of an Alpine image "fully loaded" (e.g.,
with the actual tools) vs. Fedora, etc.? AIUI, when you actually install
things like Apache httpd, or whatnot the comparison looks much closer.

Not to say we don't need to reduce image size, but perhaps starting from
base image size is less like real life than looking at the finished image
size as deployed?

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/


Re: [atomic-devel] Smaller fedora & centos images

2016-06-20 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Micah Abbott <miabb...@redhat.com> wrote:

>
> As this is just one example, it would still be interesting to see how
> other apps compare.
>

Interesting, thanks for that.

I would say this is an area where we need to improve, but we also need
folks to show up with suggestions/patches. This something I'd like to see
as well, but I don't know that I'm the best person to try to implement
it... (Which is to say, I could hack at it, but I don't think anybody would
be pleased by the results.)

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/


Re: [atomic-devel] catch-22: diagnostic tools on Atomic Host

2016-06-26 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Daniel J Walsh <dwa...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
> Well if you have the software already installed in containers you could
> always use atomic mount to mount a container
> image and then mount the host into the container and chroot into it.  :^)

Should we document steps here, and is that something one can do
without `setenforce 0`?


-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



Re: [atomic-devel] ACTION NEEDED Re: [PATCH] manifest: add atomic-devmode

2016-02-08 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 02/08/2016 02:45 PM, Jonathan Lebon wrote:
> Sorry, I should have replied on this list.

Ah, apologies I missed that. I'm trying to catch up on email following
the epic distraction/travel bonanza that is FOSDEM/DevConf.cz and didn't
see anything here so I wanted to poke the list. I didn't think to check
the trac. Thanks muchly for the speedy response!

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Concerns about pushing Docker 1.10 into Fedora23

2016-02-09 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 02/09/2016 10:57 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> One thing we *could* do is put it in updates testing in F23 but _never_
> put it into stable there. That would allow people who want it to opt in
> to that branch on F23 if they need it.

I'm definitely good with it being in updates testing for F23 so long as
it never goes to stable (for F23). But *after* we put out warnings to
the community via Fedora Magazine and Project Atomic.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Concerns about pushing Docker 1.10 into Fedora23

2016-02-09 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 02/09/2016 09:14 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> 
> Is it worth considering holding 1.10 back until Fedora24?

We should do so by policy, if I understand correctly. This is not a
compatible change and users can't easily roll back. We should freeze F23
on 1.10, and the two-week atomic releases should stick with 1.9 until we
have given users adequate notice about this and 1.10 is adequately tested.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Thoughts on a website redesign

2016-02-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 02/19/2016 12:11 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Also, WTF is the RSS feed for the blog?  Isn't there one?

https://github.com/projectatomic/atomic-site/issues/213

I'm CC'ing Tigert on this, because it keeps coming up. There IS a feed,
it's just not very discoverable. Let's consider this very *ing
urgent and get it fixed, please.

As for the other - let's map out content-wise what we want, and then we
can discuss designers, etc.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Doc format?

2016-03-11 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/08/2016 10:47 AM, Matt Micene wrote:
> 
> It sounds like we can if only because there's tooling issues with all of
> the various markups.  What's the least amount of friction to getting new
> docs written?  AsciiDoc?

I would think either AsciiDoc or Markdown. TBH, I've let myself get
behind on "state of the art" when it comes to markdown languages, so ...
I'm content to let others guide this, with the strong suggestion we
limit it to two. My time to contribute to documentation (like others')
is limited, so the less time I have to worry about markup, the more time
I have to actually write. Pretty sure that will hold true for casual
contributors and folks who only care about one specific area for
documentationizing.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Hacking on Atomic Host: Achievement: unlocked

2016-03-28 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/28/2016 10:39 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
> I think with the new "ostree admin unlock" verb in OSTree v2016.4 that has 
> changed:
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ostree-list/2016-March/msg9.html

This is very cool. We should probably blog about this too.

-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] moving atomic-host-tests repo under projectatomic org

2016-04-07 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 04/07/2016 11:58 AM, Micah Abbott wrote:
> 
> Assuming there are no objections, I would like to complete the transfer
> tomorrow, Friday April 8.

I'm OK with this, but I'd like to keep to a "lazy consensus" of at least
72 hours. Maybe we want to carve out an exception for something
non-controversial like this, but 24 hours isn't much time for folks who
may be behind on email, etc.

But I'm very much +1 to the proposal otherwise.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Doc format?

2016-03-08 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/07/2016 11:49 AM, Matt Micene wrote:
> 
> There's a stagnant group of us who are also intending to write official
> Fedora Docs, which needs reStructuredText support.

Was that ever decided, officially? I seem to recall some discussion and
then it just trailed off.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Doc format?

2016-03-08 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/08/2016 10:14 AM, Matt Micene wrote:
> 
> That's exactly where we landed.  Bex emailed me off list with what,
> hopefully, is a good jumpstart for getting docs moving again.  I'm going
> to bring the discussion over to the atomic-devel list.

Since it stalled, is there any chance we can move it towards either
ASCIIdoc or Markdown and not have a third format in contention?

Glad to move away from SGML/XML/Docbook, but would rather not have to
maintain brain space for **four** concurrent similar but different
markup formats (MediaWiki, Markdown, ASCIIDoc, and RST).

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Doc format?

2016-03-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/04/2016 02:24 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Out of all the Atomic projects, what are people using for docs?  Is it
> all ASCIIdoc, or do we have other formats?

Most is Markdown. I'd recommend sticking with that excepting any
compelling need. Middleman will take ASCIIdoc, but I wouldn't want to
venture into anything beyond that.
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Hacking on Atomic Host: Achievement: unlocked

2016-04-01 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/31/2016 06:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> The more we talk about it, the more people we'll get onto this list!

+1

Also, I wouldn't even assume that everyone subscribed to atomic-devel
noticed this thread. We're all drinking from the firehose, and it takes
*a lot* of work to evenly communicate things to all the people who we
know something is immediately relevant to, and even more to hit all the
folks who are potentially affected or potentially assisted by a new feature.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb  | http://dissociatedpress.net/



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature


Re: [atomic-devel] Can anyone go to OpenStack PTG?

2017-01-18 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com> wrote:

>
> We've received a request to send someone who does Fedora Atomic to the
> OpenStack PTG next month (Feb 20-24) in Atlanta.  This is to talk to the
> Magnum team about some issues they're having with Atomic.
>
> Given budget for this, would anyone be able to go?  It's really close in
> time, but then Atlanta isn't *that* far from NC ...


Well, this is one hell of a coincidence.

I'm going to be in Atlanta that week already. I can have discussions if
it's helpful. I'm not involved day to day, but if you don't have any other
takers, I'll be there anyway.

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] We have a bugzilla requesting that we change the default CMD to systemd for base images in RHEL

2016-10-25 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Matthew Miller
<mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> We've definitely got a ways to go here — our base image is very large
> by any standard, let alone compared to alpine or busybox.

It is, and I support un-embiggening it, but ... IIRC Scott McCarty did
some apples:apples comparisons w/Alpine and once you load up an
application the size differential is seriously reduced.

(e.g.,  try adding PHP to Alpine and then see how it compares, size-wise.)

Best,

jzb


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb



Re: [atomic-devel] We have a bugzilla requesting that we change the default CMD to systemd for base images in RHEL

2016-10-21 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Daniel Riek <r...@redhat.com> wrote:

> We will need the same for rhel6 (with upstart). We should think about a
> consistent naming model.
>
Would we? That seems like a limited win for a fair amount of work.

I like Dan's proposal of rhel7-init (or fedora-init, centos-init).

Best,

jzb
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Structure of Atomic Host docs for Fedora and CentOS

2016-12-07 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Jason Brooks <jbro...@redhat.com> wrote:

> A single node can get you a taste of docker or origin or kube, esp if
> you're on Windows or OS X. You could develop for a legit cluster using a
> single node vm.
>

You can kick it into developer mode, right? That would be a good
single-user use case.


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Structure of Atomic Host docs for Fedora and CentOS

2016-12-07 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Right, but we also specifically have a developer mode for Atomic Host. Not
just for OpenShift but generally for anybody who wants to work on
containers without pulling everything to their desktop.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Gerard Braad <m...@gbraad.nl> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> A single node can get you a taste of docker or origin or kube, esp if
> >> you're on Windows or OS X. You could develop for a legit cluster using a
> >> single node vm.
> > You can kick it into developer mode, right? That would be a good
> single-user
> > use case.
>
> You can run `oc cluster up` on it... so, yes
>



-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Change to listed projects on projectatomic.io home page

2017-04-25 Thread Joe Brockmeier
FLIBS? :-)

I'm assuming this means Fedora container images? Or something else?

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Jason Brooks <jbro...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Currently our "top 3" projects on the PA.io homepage are Atomic Host,
> > Atomic Registry, and AtomicApp.
> >
> > Since AtomicApp is EOL, we need to replace it on the homepage.
> >
> > I was thinking that it might be good to replace it with "Container
> > Libraries", that is, links to the FLIBS and Centos Container Pipeline.
> > Barring other ideas, I'll do that this week.
>
> +1
>
> >
> > (and yes, we still plan on a total website redesign, but that's still
> > wating on design resources)
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Josh Berkus
> > Project Atomic
> > Red Hat OSAS
> >
>
>


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Strategist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Shutting down ask.projectatomic.io, moving to StackExchange, needs your help

2017-06-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 02:14:05PM +0000, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > > > create some tags.
> > > How does one follow this?  Is there a way to setup a notification if
> > > anyone mentions keywords?
> > No way that I know of, unfortunately.
>
> Not keywords, but you can subscribe to tags (optionally, across all
> sites on the network): https://stackexchange.com/filters
>
> For example, here's all SELinux questions:
> https://stackexchange.com/filters/229659/selinux
>
> and here's all Fedora questions:
> https://stackexchange.com/filters/204064/fedora



Ooooh. Excellent. Thanks!

>


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Strategist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Shutting down ask.projectatomic.io, moving to StackExchange, needs your help

2017-06-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:31 PM Daniel Walsh <dwa...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 06/13/2017 01:59 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > One more thing:
> >
> > Does anyone have over 1500 reputation on StackOverflow?  We want to
> > create some tags.
> >
> How does one follow this?  Is there a way to setup a notification if
> anyone mentions keywords?
>

No way that I know of, unfortunately.
-- 
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Call for topics: Atomic Community Meeting Aug 21

2017-08-21 Thread Joe Brockmeier
I'd like to put a topic on, if appropriate, about renaming the package that
carries our container runtime.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> We have our regularly scheduled Atomic Community Meeting at 1600 UTC on
> Monday, August 21.
>
> Please reply to this email with any discussion topics you may have.
>
> See you on #atomic then.
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Project Atomic
> Red Hat OSAS
>
>


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Strategist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Atomic community meeting next week, or not?

2017-08-29 Thread Joe Brockmeier
+1 to skip
On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 10:38 PM Dusty Mabe <du...@dustymabe.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 08/27/2017 02:32 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>
> > Should we skip to next meeting?
>
> +1
>
>
> --
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Evangelist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Project Atomic Logo - please comment/vote

2018-02-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Jason Brooks <jbro...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Matthew Miller
> <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:38:21PM +, Sanja Bonic wrote:
> >> Note that if we stay on 1 or 2 now, we will have to change at a later
> point
> >> in the future in case we want to introduce FAH and FAW logos (unless
> >
> > FWIW the current Fedora Atomic Host logo we're using (at least on the
> > download page) is
> > https://getfedora.org/static/images/atomic-head-logo.png
> >
>
> It seems appropriate to vote on the Project Atomic logo on this ML,
> but the Fedora Atomic things should go through Fedora processes. Maybe
> one of the monday atomic community meetings would be the best place to
> discuss this, vs one of the wed meetings, which are about feodra.
>

Generally speaking, I'm a big supporter of "if it didn't happen on the
mailing list, it didn't happen." Votes during real-time meetings usually
mean someone is being excluded by default because of time zones,
overlapping commitments, etc. And yes, anything Fedora should happen
through regular Fedora processes.


> It's always been a bit confusing, but Project Atomic proper was
> explicitly chartered *not* to distribute an OS, for reasons I don't
> think I ever fully understood. But it's always been the Fedora and
> CentOS projects (and Red Hat, for RHEL Atomic Host) that have
> distributed the actual atomic hosts. Maybe Joe Brockmeier can help
> fill in more original context around this.
>

I don't think we were chartered to *not to distribute* an OS, but the idea
was explicitly to avoid creating a 4th OS that would be independent of
RHEL, Fedora, and CentOS.

That said, despite the growing pains, I think it made more sense to have a
Fedora-based AH distributed by Fedora, and a CentOS-based one distributed
by CentOS - though there were certainly times when I would have liked to
have just set up a build host + downloads independently rather than the
work that was required to do so through the other projects...
-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Strategist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb


Re: [atomic-devel] Docker usage survey results

2018-01-04 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Did you ask about the number of hosts for this?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Atomic Team:
>
> I've prepared some graphs and a report from our docker usage survey:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aC8uthOMrTLiYK3l5muUVKDnOO7Ri
> ch2JxJ0sd4LJ6o/edit?usp=sharing
>
> We'll discuss this tommorrow at the Fedora Atomic meeting (12:30 EST).
>
> --
> --
> Josh Berkus
> Kubernetes Community
> Red Hat OSAS
>
>


-- 
Joe Brockmeier
Senior Strategist, Linux Containers
j...@redhat.com
Twitter: @jzb