Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info
At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.pagehttp://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page ___ The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 Adventure Aviation Certification and Operations. The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year. Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket. Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info
At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.pagehttp://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page ___ The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 Adventure Aviation Certification and Operations. The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year. Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket. Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it. Mike What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented commercial bungee jumping! Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info
Maybe it is all about Australia NZ rivalry, Australia is first with such widely based the carbon tax, so NZ ups the ante with being first with this regulation, and proud of it obviously, given this “We are to my knowledge is the only regulator in the world to introduce an adventure aviation rule. Cheers Paul On 9 November 2011 08:38, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.comwrote: At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page ___ The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 – *Adventure Aviation – Certification and Operations*. The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year. Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket. Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it. Mike * What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented commercial bungee jumping! Mike* *Borgelt Instruments* - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soarinhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ - bit more info
Mike I certainly hope they do not restrict the GFA AEF system. It is expensive enough now. You would be more familiar than I am as to the number of incidents GFA has had under the above system Rob Moore On 09/11/2011, at 10:06 AM, Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au wrote: When it was first mooted ten years or so ago, the NZ Part 115 rule potentially would have allowed customers to purchase a ride in a net slung under a helicopter, among other weird ideas. They have toned it down a lot and basically applied it to selling a sport aviation experience to people off the street who are not capable of giving the informed consent that is an inherent part in participating in an aviation sport. Australia has had CAO 95.4.1 for glider charter flights for over 15 years, though nowadays most clubs use the air experience provisions to introduce people to gliding. And it is over 25 years since Australia followed the UK and a lot of European countries with normalised rules for passenger rides in hot air balloons, with proper rules for commercial pilot licences and certified operators. We would not call these balloon flights high risk as they are properly regulated - unlike NZ until now. However, there are still some countries and some balloon operators that do not apply safe operating rules, and they are the ones where accidents have happened and passengers killed by totally avoidable occurrences that have been improperly managed. From the latest information available, it seems my former employer has started to move forward with our proposed new rules, which will be coming from a quite different direction from our Pacific neighbours. Wombat At 10:02 9/11/2011, you wrote: Maybe it is all about Australia NZ rivalry, Australia is first with such widely based the carbon tax, so NZ ups the ante with being first with this regulation, and proud of it obviously, given this “We are to my knowledge is the only regulator in the world to introduce an adventure aviation rule. Cheers Paul On 9 November 2011 08:38, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 06:28 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: At 05:41 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote: http://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.pagehttp://www.scene.co.nz/new-caa-rules-for-air-thrills-firms/293895a1.page ___ The seminar was held to explain how to complete the reams of paperwork needed to comply with CAA rule part 115 – Adventure Aviation – Certification and Operations. The CAA anticipates it will issue about 50 certificates, costing about $7,600 each, within the first year. Wonderful, not how to operate safely but how to fill in the extensive paperwork and be charged for it. If the Mafia did this it would be called a protection racket. Eventually the parasite class will find that the corpse of the productive class doesn't have any more blood in it. Mike What's really funny though is that this is the country that invented commercial bungee jumping! Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l tel:%2B%2061%20746%20355784+ 61 746 355784 fax Int'l tel:%2B%2061%20746%20358796+ 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l tel:%2B%2061%20428%20355784+ 61 428 355784 email: mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soarin ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Cambridge Model 10/20/25 Loggers for the OLC
Brought to my attention today that from January, the OLC will not accept traces from Cambridge Model 10/20/25 loggers. This will cause us problems as all club gliders are equipped with these loggers. Don't know if the GFA is aware or has had any input, but would suspect it we are not the only ones affected so maybe if we all make enough noise we might be able to get the OLC people to reconsider this sudden decision which will take effect mid way through our season and which has not really given anyone much opportunity to consider other arrangements. The announcement : The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember 31st The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until the end of 2011. We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ... And is part of the Newsletter at http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=11201 1 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=1120 11news=398#398 news=398#398 John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Model 10/20/25 Loggers for the OLC
Pretty sure they will accept a Flarm trace John ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 4:03 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Model 10/20/25 Loggers for the OLC Brought to my attention today that from January, the OLC will not accept traces from Cambridge Model 10/20/25 loggers. This will cause us problems as all club gliders are equipped with these loggers. Don't know if the GFA is aware or has had any input, but would suspect it we are not the only ones affected so maybe if we all make enough noise we might be able to get the OLC people to reconsider this sudden decision which will take effect mid way through our season and which has not really given anyone much opportunity to consider other arrangements. The announcement : The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember 31st The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until the end of 2011. We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ... And is part of the Newsletter at http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=11201 1 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=1120 11news=398#398 news=398#398 John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Model 10/20/25 Loggers for the OLC
Hi John, I don't speak for either the OLC or the GFA, but as an innocent bystander I can make a couple of comments. The OLC is a private organisation which makes its own decisions. It is not directly connected with the FAI or IGC and the GFA has no more influence with it than any other customer would have. We are also quite a small customer in the whole scheme of things. The older Cambridge flight recorders are susceptible to hacking because while their security was adequate with the computing power that was available to individuals in the 1990's, it is no longer adequate given what is available now. The IGC has also downgraded these devices and will almost certainly withdraw their accreditation soon. The OLC has a particular security problem because flights are submitted online and the only security for the system is the quality of security available in the device itself. There are no Official Observers or competition scorers to confirm the flight. The OLC has seen examples of attempted cheating and I guess they think it is in their interest to maximise the integrity of their competition even at the expense of some short-term disappointment for a small and reducing number of customers. It is certainly not a sudden decision, it has been coming for a while. All flight recorders have a use-by date and it is a tribute to Cambridge that theirs have lasted as long as they have. This is not the first device thay have removed, and it won't be the last. My advice is to upgrade your flight recorders. I think it is highly unlikely that this decision will be changed. Depending on which part of OLC you are entering, Flarm traces are acceptable, though not for motor gliders of course. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 9/11/2011 16:03, John Trezise wrote: Brought to my attention today that from January, the OLC will not accept traces from Cambridge Model 10/20/25 loggers. This will cause us problems as all club gliders are equipped with these loggers. Don't know if the GFA is aware or has had any input, but would suspect it we are not the only ones affected so maybe if we all make enough noise we might be able to get the OLC people to reconsider this sudden decision which will take effect mid way through our season and which has not really given anyone much opportunity to consider other arrangements. The announcement : The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember 31st The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until the end of 2011. We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ... And is part of the Newsletter at http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=112011news=398#398 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=112011news=398#398 John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
