Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
"x" is an abbreviation for "ch." You'll also see "Paxeco" in some records for Pacheco. I'm sure there are other examples as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:02 PM David Leitz wrote: > I show the last name as being spelled Caxeta. Francisco Pereira Caxeta is > a child of Manuel Pereira Caxeta and Maria Silveira and 45 years old. > (Manuel's mother's brother) This would make him Manuel's uncle. I have not > seen the name of Antonio Homem da Costa before. These mysterious names that > pop up! > > Thank you Sam, Bill and Cheri for your help! > > Linda > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:04 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone >> touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I >> still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: >> >>> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is >>> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said. I think the >>> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother. Instead it says that >>> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue >>> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason). I assume he >>> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it. I am >>> not familiar with this practice. >>> >>> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it. >>> >>> Bill Seidler >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
I show the last name as being spelled Caxeta. Francisco Pereira Caxeta is a child of Manuel Pereira Caxeta and Maria Silveira and 45 years old. (Manuel's mother's brother) This would make him Manuel's uncle. I have not seen the name of Antonio Homem da Costa before. These mysterious names that pop up! Thank you Sam, Bill and Cheri for your help! Linda On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:04 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone > touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I > still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: > >> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is >> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said. I think the >> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother. Instead it says that >> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue >> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason). I assume he >> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it. I am >> not familiar with this practice. >> >> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
Hi, Invoking the the parish saint (for my town, it was Nossa Senhora do Rosario) was common practice back then. Normally, they just referred to her as "Nossa Senhora". Someone needed to represent Nossa Senhora and it was normally the Sacristan or someone chosen by the family. On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 14:04, Cheri Mello wrote: > Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone > touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I > still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: > >> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is >> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said. I think the >> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother. Instead it says that >> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue >> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason). I assume he >> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it. I am >> not familiar with this practice. >> >> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it. >> >> Bill Seidler >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: > After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is > single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said. I think the > confusing part is that they did not name a godmother. Instead it says that > for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue > and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason). I assume he > must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it. I am > not familiar with this practice. > > My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it. > > Bill Seidler > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said. I think the confusing part is that they did not name a godmother. Instead it says that for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason). I assume he must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it. I am not familiar with this practice. My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it. Bill Seidler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
David L, Can you specify what parts? After the godparents, it's the usual church language about that the baptism was read back and everyone verified it was true and the baptism was drawn up in duplicate (one set for the church and one for the Diocese/Vatican or wherever it goes), and the witnesses or godparents sign. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:04 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I get paternal grandparents as: Joao de Sousa and Catharina do Espirito > Santo and > > Maternal grandparents as: Manuel Pereira Cachete, never seen that surname > before and Maria Silveira > > Godfathers: Antonio Homen da Costa > > Godmother: Francisca Pereira Cachete > > > > Hope that helps > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *David Leitz > *Sent: *Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:36 AM > *To: *azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa > Bettencourt > > > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895_item1/P14.html > > Could I get help reading the baptism for Manuel - #24 at the bottom of > page 14 and continues on page 15? I understand, pretty much, the first part > up to the godparents. I can pick out the names of the grandparents, but I'm > not sure about some parts. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Linda L. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > <#m_-1510884105678526531_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
I get paternal grandparents as: Joao de Sousa and Catharina do Espirito Santo and Maternal grandparents as: Manuel Pereira Cachete, never seen that surname before and Maria Silveira Godfathers: Antonio Homen da Costa Godmother: Francisca Pereira Cachete Hope that helps Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: David Leitz Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895_item1/P14.html Could I get help reading the baptism for Manuel - #24 at the bottom of page 14 and continues on page 15? I understand, pretty much, the first part up to the godparents. I can pick out the names of the grandparents, but I'm not sure about some parts. Thanks for your help. Linda L. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895_item1/P14.html Could I get help reading the baptism for Manuel - #24 at the bottom of page 14 and continues on page 15? I understand, pretty much, the first part up to the godparents. I can pick out the names of the grandparents, but I'm not sure about some parts. Thanks for your help. Linda L. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
