[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Jeremy, 

Thanks for the information.  I am going to go back through everything and 
work backward. 

I appreciate all the help and guidance from this group. 

Kim

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>
> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

I am HIGHLY Skeptical that you have the right passenger list.

Have you tken a look at this???

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=155211263&ref=acom

No name change if this is the person listed on passanger list. No idea I 
didnt make sure, but same unusual name...

You need to go back to the beginning and analyze every reord under the 
changed name first, so you have more stuff to verify more information.

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

You are right. Unfortunately 1902 and 1903 records are not available. It is
important for you to get the basic birth and marriage for your GP and GGP
to ensure you have the right base to start your research as recommended by
Cheri Melo in other emails.

By the way the name is Secio in the masculine sense, not Secia, feminine.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:22 PM Kim S  wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of 
> Manuel
> Jr - May 25, 1903,  if he left in May of 1904.
>
> Kim
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis
> (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing
> him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm
> asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an
> 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of
> age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're
> looking at 2 different families.
>
> I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the
> 2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html
>
> I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by
> the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his
> sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html
>
> Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports
> Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for
> Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such
> couple.
>
> Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not
> show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel
> Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time
> frames.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia  wrote:
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>
>
>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>
>
>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>
> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>
> Thank you for the additional information.
> Kim
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Kim,
>
> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
> #719?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>
> Here are the facts:
> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43,
> immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903,
> also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>
> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
> aliens.
>
> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>
> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
> outside this span.
>
> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>
> Start with their deaths and work backwa

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Margaret, 

I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of 
Manuel 
Jr - May 25, 1903,  if he left in May of 1904.

Kim

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis 
> (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing 
> him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm 
> asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an 
> 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of 
> age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're 
> looking at 2 different families.
>
> I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the 
> 2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html
>
> I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by 
> the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his 
> sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html
>
> Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports 
> Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for 
> Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such 
> couple.  
>
> Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not 
> show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel 
> Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time 
> frames.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri, 
>>
>> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me 
>> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it 
>> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. 
>>
>>
>>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic 
>>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3, 
>>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, 
>>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his 
>> name 
>>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>>
>>
>>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. 
>>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to 
>>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca 
>>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration 
>> dates seem to match up with everything I found online. 
>>
>> Thank you for the additional information. 
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 
>>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de 
>>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, 
>>> #719?
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>>
>>> Here are the facts:
>>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 
>>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 
>>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>>
>>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated 
>>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are 
>>> aliens.
>>>
>>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and 
>>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>>
>>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and 
>>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than 
>>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are. 
>>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth 
>>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere 
>>> outside this span.
>>>
>>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name 
>>> was Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during 
>>> the third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have 
>>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>>>
>>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to 
>>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With 
>>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match 
>>> no one with Sao Miguel ances

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Kim,

I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis
(Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing
him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm
asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an
11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of
age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're
looking at 2 different families.

I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the
2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html

I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by the
name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his
sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html

Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports
Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for
Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such
couple.

Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not
show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel
Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time
frames.





On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>
>
>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>
>
>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>
> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>
> Thank you for the additional information.
> Kim
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>>
>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
>> #719?
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>
>> Here are the facts:
>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was
>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in
>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>
>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
>> aliens.
>>
>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>
>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
>> outside this span.
>>
>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
>> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
>> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>>
>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
>> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
>> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
>> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
>> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.
>>
>> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
>> children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Ali

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

["E" Sharp]

Here is the baptism record for the mother Maria... It starts on the page
before and continues on this page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1860-1869/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1860-1869_item1/P193.html

I will try and do more on the father Manuel tomorrow if I can and if not,
in a few days as I have a big celebration with my family coming up.

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim Secia]

Hi Cheri,

I know Manuel and Maria had the follow children, Mary J, Maria, Manuel Jr,.
and Antone. I wasn't 100% when they actually immigrated because the date
kept changing on the census information so depending on when they came is
the only way to know which children were born in the US.

Since E found the actual ships that show Manuel coming over in May of 1903
and then Maria coming over in May of 1904, that would put the first 3
children born in Portugal below are there DOBs.

Mary J - March 13,1901
Maria Rose - April 5, 1902
Manuel Jr - May 25, 1903

Anthony (Antone) - April 20, 1905

I am now assuming since Maria was pregnant in May of 1903, she
waited until after she had the baby and everyone was healthy to travel
before coming to the US. Then got to US and a year later Antone was born.

This is why I think E's information is correct, the children line up. Also
on one of the census document Maria was listed as Mary Bento.

Thank you for the follow up.
Kim

.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> You said your immigrant ancestors had 2 children: Anthony and Manuel.
> Sounds like things don't match. I thought you told me they married in
> America. Then had kids. This woman married there and had kids there. Maybe
> she married there had more in America too.
>
> The census info you provided never listed a Manuel. Only "Antone." He was
> born in America, not the Azores.
>
> I'm sure if I had a couple of free hours I could find more than one Maria
> de Mello coming to America with a Manuel and Antonio. Or a few Marias too.
>
> Maria, Manuel, Antonio, and Mellos are all way too common and it would be
> very, very, easy to pick the wrong one. You need to start with their death
> certificates and work backwards in time and make sure you have a timeline
> on these guys, with all that conflicting info. It's going to be a bit
> tedious for awhile.
>
> It just doesn't make sense to me that your DNA matches NO ONE who is doing
> Sao Miguel ancestry. One thousand people and you match zero. Very weird.
> Definitely test your dad when you are able. He's got double the Portuguese
> ancestry you do :)
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Kim Secia  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
>> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
>> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>>
>>
>>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>>
>>
>>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
>> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>>
>> Thank you for the additional information.
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
>>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
>>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
>>> #719?
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>>> RTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>>
>>> Here are the facts:
>>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was
>>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in
>>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>>
>>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
>>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
>>> aliens.
>>>
>>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
>>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>>
>>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
>>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
>>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
>>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
>>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
>>> outside this span.
>>>
>>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name
>>> was Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during
>>> the th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Cheri Mello]

You said your immigrant ancestors had 2 children: Anthony and Manuel.
Sounds like things don't match. I thought you told me they married in
America. Then had kids. This woman married there and had kids there. Maybe
she married there had more in America too.

The census info you provided never listed a Manuel. Only "Antone." He was
born in America, not the Azores.

I'm sure if I had a couple of free hours I could find more than one Maria
de Mello coming to America with a Manuel and Antonio. Or a few Marias too.

Maria, Manuel, Antonio, and Mellos are all way too common and it would be
very, very, easy to pick the wrong one. You need to start with their death
certificates and work backwards in time and make sure you have a timeline
on these guys, with all that conflicting info. It's going to be a bit
tedious for awhile.

It just doesn't make sense to me that your DNA matches NO ONE who is doing
Sao Miguel ancestry. One thousand people and you match zero. Very weird.
Definitely test your dad when you are able. He's got double the Portuguese
ancestry you do :)


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Kim Secia  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>
>
>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>
>
>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>
> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>
> Thank you for the additional information.
> Kim
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>>
>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
>> #719?
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>
>> Here are the facts:
>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was
>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in
>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>
>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
>> aliens.
>>
>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>
>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
>> outside this span.
>>
>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
>> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
>> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>>
>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
>> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
>> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
>> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
>> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.
>>
>> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
>> children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien
>> Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here
>> first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3
>>
>> Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your
>> ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It
>> doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim Secia]

Hi Cheri,

E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me the
information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it on Ancestry.
Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.


   - Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
   sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
   Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
   Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
   was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.


   - The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. S.
   on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to his
   cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca 1878 I
   believe in Sao Miguel.

Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
dates seem to match up with everything I found online.

Thank you for the additional information.
Kim


On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Kim,
>
> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
> #719?
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>
> Here are the facts:
> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43,
> immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903,
> also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>
> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
> aliens.
>
> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>
> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
> outside this span.
>
> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>
> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.
>
> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
> children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien
> Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here
> first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3
>
> Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your
> ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It
> doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any certainty.
> You've got to find a document with the island, and hopefully, it will have
> the freguesia!
>
> Good luck! Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kim S  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read
>> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would
>> be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello.
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I
>>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel
>>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name,
>>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked
>>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not
>>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the
>>> US.

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Mara and E, 

Wow there are ALOT of Marias and Manuels in this family Thank you for 
all the help! 

So the next step is to look at the baptism records for the 3 children 
in Faial da Terra, Povoacao?

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>
> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Cheri Mello]

Kim,

Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
#719?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html

Here are the facts:
You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43,
immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903,
also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.

The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
aliens.

The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.

The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
outside this span.

Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario

Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.

Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien
Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here
first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3

Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your
ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It
doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any certainty.
You've got to find a document with the island, and hopefully, it will have
the freguesia!

Good luck! Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kim S  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read
> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would
> be greatly appreciated!
>
> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm
>
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>>
>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I
>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel
>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name,
>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked
>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not
>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the
>> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they
>> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test
>> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the
>> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

["E" Sharp]

Margaret,

Good pointI did not notice they were travelling on the same
passport...duh!!

"E"

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[Margaret Vicente]

Elaine, seeing they're travelling on the same passport, they in all
probabilities are related.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:15 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> ​Margaret,
>
> Thanks, I thought so but was not sure it was a Z.  I cannot read these
> recordsno hownever havenever will, I guess.  I do think she is
> related somehow to Maria Bento Mello.
>
> "E"​
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["E" Sharp]

​Margaret,

Thanks, I thought so but was not sure it was a Z.  I cannot read these
recordsno hownever havenever will, I guess.  I do think she is
related somehow to Maria Bento Mello.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

Elaine, reading it as Maria Rosa

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:10 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Margaret and Kim,
>
> Bingo!!  I knew this list would come through for her.  Now we can go
> looking for the kids baptism records. Margaret did you notice the Maria
> after son Manuel...is she Maria Rosa or Maria ?? and I think she is related
> somehow but not sure how
>
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["E" Sharp]

Margaret and Kim,

Bingo!!  I knew this list would come through for her.  Now we can go
looking for the kids baptism records. Margaret did you notice the Maria
after son Manuel...is she Maria Rosa or Maria ?? and I think she is related
somehow but not sure how

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

sorry, missed out on travel companion part.  She had 3 children: Maria,
Maria and Manuel.  Ages: 3, 2 11 respectively. It does not name the father
of the children.

Under the same passport # 617, passenger # 1333 Maria Roza (Rosa)  37 years
old. Parents Manuel Fonseca and Maria Bento.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Hi Kim,
>
> She came from Faial da Terra, Povoacao.
>
> She was married, 35 years old
> Parents: Manuel Pereira and Maria de Melo
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Kim S  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read
>> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would
>> be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello.
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I
>>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel
>>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name,
>>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked
>>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not
>>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the
>>> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they
>>> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test
>>> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the
>>> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked.
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Kim,

She came from Faial da Terra, Povoacao.

She was married, 35 years old
Parents: Manuel Pereira and Maria de Melo

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Kim S  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read
> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would
> be greatly appreciated!
>
> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello.
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm
>
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>>
>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I
>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel
>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name,
>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked
>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not
>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the
>> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they
>> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test
>> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the
>> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hello All, 

I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read 
where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would 
be greatly appreciated! 

It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello. 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm


On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>
> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Mara, 

I found one Secia in Portugal born in 1890 and died in 1979 in Lisbon. He 
is also Manuel Secia and came to the US for a brief period but lived most 
of his life on the mainland of Portugal. He has one reminding grandson Joao 
and a great grandson Pedro. I am in contact with Pedro. He reach out to me 
years ago to see if we are related. This is why I didn't think Secia was 
shortened because there is one more Secia out there. 

Any Secia you find on FB from the US is directly related to Manuel Secia 
born 1878. He had two sons, Anthony and Manuel Jr that carried on the name.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 5:47:58 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yes, Sécia is used as a last name.  There's someone with this name on Face 
> Book.  It is also the name of a flower, cultivated in most gardens and 
> backyards on the islands, sécias, could spot them a distance away for their 
> bright colours, pinks, oranges and purple.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 7:17 PM, linda > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it possible that "Cecis" is mis-transcribed?  Couldn't the name have 
>> been Manuel Cecia Fonseca, and then the spelling of "Cecia" changed to 
>> "Secia"?  The sound would have been the same.
>>
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> It was a great guess on my part but I found their ship's records to the 
>>> U. S. it lists his name as Manuel Cecis Fonseca so maybe this is where 
>>> he it comes from.  I am trying to find him on Passportes.  He came from Sao 
>>> Miguel on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  Any help 
>>> appreciated as I have a hard time reading these Passportes records. Maybe 
>>> this will tell us where he was born as the second of the passenger list is 
>>> missing??? :-( 
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case. 
 Fonseca, ''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact 
 is often stranger than fiction.

 John


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 Kim,

 They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the 
 Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further 
 information to you personal email address.

 "E"

 On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S  wrote:

 Hi E!

 I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on 
 MyHeritage. The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony 
 and Manuel Jr. I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the 
 road block. 

 Thanks for looking into the name for me!

 Kim

 On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:

 Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you 
 will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. 
 Interesting story and many pictures of the family. 

 "E" 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Ramona Freitas-Nason]

HI,
Your post made on Fonseca caught my interest, I am also looking for 
Fonseca. I was always told that my Great Great Grandfather was Fonseca, and 
when he came over to this country he changed his name to Cardoza. Why, no 
one knows. My Aunt who is still living says her Mother was names Philomena 
Foncesca Cardoza. I have ot been able to find anything on Fonseca at all. 
Good Luck, I will be following you to see if your luckier than me. Ramona 
Freitas Nason

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> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi,

Yes, Sécia is used as a last name.  There's someone with this name on Face
Book.  It is also the name of a flower, cultivated in most gardens and
backyards on the islands, sécias, could spot them a distance away for their
bright colours, pinks, oranges and purple.




On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 7:17 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Is it possible that "Cecis" is mis-transcribed?  Couldn't the name have
> been Manuel Cecia Fonseca, and then the spelling of "Cecia" changed to
> "Secia"?  The sound would have been the same.
>
>
> Linda
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> It was a great guess on my part but I found their ship's records to the
>> U. S. it lists his name as Manuel Cecis Fonseca so maybe this is where
>> he it comes from.  I am trying to find him on Passportes.  He came from Sao
>> Miguel on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  Any help
>> appreciated as I have a hard time reading these Passportes records. Maybe
>> this will tell us where he was born as the second of the passenger list is
>> missing??? :-(
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case.
>>> Fonseca, ''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact
>>> is often stranger than fiction.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:25 PM, "E" Sharp" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the
>>> Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further
>>> information to you personal email address.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi E!
>>>
>>> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on
>>> MyHeritage. The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony
>>> and Manuel Jr. I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the
>>> road block.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking into the name for me!
>>>
>>> Kim
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you
>>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores.
>>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[linda]

Is it possible that "Cecis" is mis-transcribed?  Couldn't the name have 
been Manuel Cecia Fonseca, and then the spelling of "Cecia" changed to 
"Secia"?  The sound would have been the same.


Linda

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:
>
> John,
>
> It was a great guess on my part but I found their ship's records to the U. 
> S. it lists his name as Manuel Cecis Fonseca so maybe this is where he it 
> comes from.  I am trying to find him on Passportes.  He came from Sao 
> Miguel on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  Any help 
> appreciated as I have a hard time reading these Passportes records. Maybe 
> this will tell us where he was born as the second of the passenger list is 
> missing??? :-( 
>
> "E"
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case. 
>> Fonseca, ''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact 
>> is often stranger than fiction.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:25 PM, "E" Sharp" > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kim,
>>
>> They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the 
>> Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further 
>> information to you personal email address.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi E!
>>
>> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. 
>> The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. 
>> I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. 
>>
>> Thanks for looking into the name for me!
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:
>>
>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you 
>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. 
>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family. 
>>
>> "E" 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Kim S]

E, 

You are amazing! Thank you s much!

Kim

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>
> Kim,
>
> They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the 
> Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further 
> information to you personal email address.
>
> "E"
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi E!
>>
>> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. 
>> The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. 
>> I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. 
>>
>> Thanks for looking into the name for me!
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you 
>>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. 
>>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family. 
>>>
>>> "E" 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

["E" Sharp]

John,

It was a great guess on my part but I found their ship's records to the U.
S. it lists his name as Manuel Cecis Fonseca so maybe this is where he it
comes from.  I am trying to find him on Passportes.  He came from Sao
Miguel on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  Any help
appreciated as I have a hard time reading these Passportes records. Maybe
this will tell us where he was born as the second of the passenger list is
missing??? :-(

"E"



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azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case.
> Fonseca, ''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact
> is often stranger than fiction.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:25 PM, "E" Sharp" 
> wrote:
>
>
> Kim,
>
> They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the
> Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further
> information to you personal email address.
>
> "E"
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S  wrote:
>
> Hi E!
>
> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage.
> The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr.
> I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block.
>
> Thanks for looking into the name for me!
>
> Kim
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:
>
> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you will
> see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. Interesting
> story and many pictures of the family.
>
> "E"
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case. Fonseca, 
''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact is often 
stranger than fiction.
John
 

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 Kim,
They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the Secia 
(note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further information to you 
personal email address.
"E"
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S  wrote:

Hi E!
I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. The 
only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. I'm 
trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. 
Thanks for looking into the name for me!
Kim

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Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you will see 
Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. Interesting story and 
many pictures of the family. 

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

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Kim,

They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca.  Maybe they used the
Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S.  I am going to send you further
information to you personal email address.

"E"

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S  wrote:

> Hi E!
>
> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage.
> The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr.
> I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block.
>
> Thanks for looking into the name for me!
>
> Kim
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote:
>>
>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you
>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores.
>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Have you found any of their ship's record coming into the US?  

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[Kim S]

Hi E!

I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. 
The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. 
I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. 

Thanks for looking into the name for me!

Kim

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> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you will 
> see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. Interesting 
> story and many pictures of the family. 
>
> "E" 
>
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Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you will see 
Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. Interesting story and 
many pictures of the family. 

"E"

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Are they they ones in MA who came to US him 1902 her 1903. Maybe the ships 
record may say where the came from or give you more accurate data to find them 
in Passportes??

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[Kim S]

Hi - I am unsure where they originated from, I only know the Azores right 
now. I saw Sao Miguel on a US Census but they could have just left from 
there. Cheri said from my DNA the middle islands are the most likely.  

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:19:23 AM UTC-7, EResendes wrote:
>
> Do you know where he was from.  I have seen Secio (nickname) in Faial da 
> Terra, Sao Miguel but it isn't very common.
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:36:11 PM UTC-5, Kim S wrote:
>>
>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
>> direction. 
>>
>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
>> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
>> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
>> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
>> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
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Do you know where he was from.  I have seen Secio (nickname) in Faial da 
Terra, Sao Miguel but it isn't very common.

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:36:11 PM UTC-5, Kim S wrote:
>
> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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