Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Carol wrote about using raw meat for domestic animals. Since I have a veterinarian close, I mentioned this to him. He said that under no circumstances would he feed raw meat to any of his animals. Cooked is fine, but raw has just too many problems that can be cured by cooking. Tha analogy he used is How many 15 year old coyotes have you seen? Cecil in OKla Barb Lee wrote: > Here in Oregon, you're required to have a "pet food seller's license" to > sell direct to the customer. > > Barb L. > > - Original Message - > From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns) > > > >> CArol, >> I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my >> area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at >> a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my >> 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making >> raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders >> want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable >> source of income. >> >> terry W >> >> >> --- "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to >>> be >>> euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues >>> such as the >>> recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's >>> quality of >>> life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and >>> although the >>> meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very >>> tough, making >>> the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now >>> when I must >>> euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the >>> meat at the >>> local raw pet food Yahoo groups. >>> >>> They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs >>> less than >>> about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks >>> and nothing >>> has to resemble a "professional cut." I butcher on farm, >>> which allows >>> me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be >>> worth these >>> people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at >>> the butcher >>> shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a >>> choice between >>> almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a >>> really big hole >>> to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever >>> cost. I also >>> target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and >>> (unfortunately) ram >>> lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise >>> to butchering weight. >>> >>> To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or >>> carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to >>> the search >>> string to narrow the results to your region. >>> >>> One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own >>> pets to a >>> totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than >>> just lamb; >>> I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I >>> could get for >>> cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet >>> food. But >>> there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing >>> to find the time. >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> ___ >>> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >>> Visit the list's homepage at >>> %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> >> >> > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
Here in Oregon, you're required to have a "pet food seller's license" to sell direct to the customer. Barb L. - Original Message - From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns) > CArol, > I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my > area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at > a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my > 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making > raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders > want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable > source of income. > > terry W > > > --- "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to >> be >> euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues >> such as the >> recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's >> quality of >> life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and >> although the >> meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very >> tough, making >> the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now >> when I must >> euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the >> meat at the >> local raw pet food Yahoo groups. >> >> They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs >> less than >> about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks >> and nothing >> has to resemble a "professional cut." I butcher on farm, >> which allows >> me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be >> worth these >> people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at >> the butcher >> shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a >> choice between >> almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a >> really big hole >> to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever >> cost. I also >> target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and >> (unfortunately) ram >> lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise >> to butchering weight. >> >> To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or >> carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to >> the search >> string to narrow the results to your region. >> >> One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own >> pets to a >> totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than >> just lamb; >> I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I >> could get for >> cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet >> food. But >> there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing >> to find the time. >> >> Carol >> >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at >> %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Horns close to the face
Jennifer: I must agree with Barb, et.al., have a BBQ. Then contact me and I will donate to the zoo a young registerable american blackbelly ram of your choice. We are only a few minutes north of Gulf Shores. I know of two other breeders in Baldwin County that could possibly supply you with registerable stock. John Carlton Double J Farms Spanish Fort, Alabama [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176 > Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to > blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: problem with ram horns (Carol J. Elkins) > 2. Re: problem with ram horns (Barb Lee) > 3. Re: problem with ram horns (GARLAND STAMPER) > 4. Re: problem with ram horns (Egils Burgelis) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:19:45 -0700 > From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. > Can someone else help out here? > > Carol > > At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >>3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >>with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >>face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >>has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >>after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >>so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >>supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >>always a fight to do anything with him. >>Thanks in advance >>Jennifer Koehler > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:30:29 -0800 > From: "Barb Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Please accept this advice in the spirit in which it is given. To a > horned blackbelly breeder, a horn growing into the face represents a > serious, life-threatening genetic defect. Horned rams with splendid > racks that do not threaten their quality of life are easily obtainable. > In my humblest of opinions, I would not let this animal breed, nor > display it as representative of its breed. If it is also obnoxious and > dangerous, I think it would be best euthanized and a more appropriate > ram with correct horns be obtained. Good rams are neither rare nor > expensive. Having the horn skillfully trimmed would probably be much > more expensive than the animal is worth. > > Best regards, > Barb Lee > > - Original Message - > From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > > >>I am not a horned breeder, so I can't answer Jennifer's questions. >> Can someone else help out here? >> >> Carol >> >> At 06:53 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>I am the head of hoofstock at the Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo. I have a >>>3 year old hand raised blackbelly ram that has started having issues >>>with 1 horn. It is a very nice spiral but it is too close to his >>>face. At first it didn't look like a problem as it grew, but now it >>>has grown too close to his eye and face. Can it be trained away >>>after it has gotten like this? The spot is halfway down the spiral, >>>so trimming it would be tricky. How close to the end is the blood >>>supply? He is also a typical handraised ram in a close area so it is >>>always a fight to do anything with him. >>>Thanks in advance >>>Jennifer Koehler >> >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> >> > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:46:25 -0800 > From: "GARLAND STAMPER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] problem with ram horns > To: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, > > I totally agree with Barb L. I'm also of the opinion that there ar
Re: [Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
CArol, I actually belong to a couple Raw feeder lists in my area-- On one, they 'take orders' and everybody gathers at a specific location for the delivery/pickup. One of my 'rabbit neighbors' from PA actually has a business making raw food-- called 'Hare Today'--and yes, the raw feeders want to pay less per pound, but they can be a reliable source of income. terry W --- "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to > be > euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues > such as the > recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's > quality of > life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and > although the > meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very > tough, making > the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now > when I must > euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the > meat at the > local raw pet food Yahoo groups. > > They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs > less than > about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks > and nothing > has to resemble a "professional cut." I butcher on farm, > which allows > me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be > worth these > people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at > the butcher > shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a > choice between > almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a > really big hole > to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever > cost. I also > target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and > (unfortunately) ram > lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise > to butchering weight. > > To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to > > http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or > carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to > the search > string to narrow the results to your region. > > One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own > pets to a > totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than > just lamb; > I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I > could get for > cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet > food. But > there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing > to find the time. > > Carol > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Anti-NAIS article in The Nation magazine
excellent-- and considering, that when I met karin Bergener in person, she was real vague herself, not understanding the real way viruses mutate Her reply to a question asked at that meeting_ "If someone told me my flock had AI, I would not hesitate to depopulate it" terry W --- "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent article in The Nation about NAIS. Provides a > thoughtful, > unemotional summary of its costs and consequences. > > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071231/pentland_gumpert > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Euthanizing (was: problem with ram horns)
We all have sheep who, for one reason or another, need to be euthanized. In most cases, it is old age or health issues such as the recent post about horn growth endangering the animal's quality of life. I've eaten blackbelly ram as old as 2.5 years, and although the meat tasted marvelous, the connecting tissue was very tough, making the overall eating experience not much fun at all. So now when I must euthanize an old sheep, I try to find a buyer for the meat at the local raw pet food Yahoo groups. They are always eager to get any meat as long as it costs less than about $1.00 per pound. They are happy with 5-lb chunks and nothing has to resemble a "professional cut." I butcher on farm, which allows me to keep most of that $1.00/lb, but it would still be worth these people's time if they wanted the meat cut and wrapped at the butcher shop. I just wouldn't get much profit. But if it is a choice between almost giving a carcass away versus having to dig a really big hole to bury it in, I opt for selling the meat at whatever cost. I also target the raw pet food market for cull sheep and (unfortunately) ram lambs that I simply do not have enough pasture to raise to butchering weight. To find raw pet food Yahoo groups in your vicinity, go to http://groups.yahoo.com and search for carnivore+food or carnivore+raw or similar terms. Add your state name to the search string to narrow the results to your region. One of these days, I hope to be able to switch my own pets to a totally raw diet, but it would need to include more than just lamb; I'd need to mix in chicken and whatever other meats I could get for cheap. Right now, I don't have time to scavenge for pet food. But there sure are a lot of people out there who are willing to find the time. Carol ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] Anti-NAIS article in The Nation magazine
Excellent article in The Nation about NAIS. Provides a thoughtful, unemotional summary of its costs and consequences. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071231/pentland_gumpert ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
