[BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno
[BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Yes, Don, Over the six years working there we do here many interesting stories. The one that sticks in the brain the most is those that take their sport car and put it away for the winter, in someone's garage. It sits for two to three months and some times for 4 months. Then, call AAA, mad because the car won't start because the battery, (they say) I think is dead. Along with I don't understand I am going to need air for the tires they are semi flat. We had to stop giving out advice because people would then turn around for a lawsuit. So, we no longer give advice on this. Nor, can we give advice for the same reason for those that are driving down the highway. "I have steam or white smoke coming from under the hood. Do you think we should stop?" Geno
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along.I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Hi folks, My comments are a little off topic - but - why on God's Green Earth did General Muddlers hide the battery on their otherwise nice Chevrolet Venture under the fuse box or whatever that thing is that you have to remove to get at the battery? They did, however, leave 2 terminals sticking up for you to use for jump starts. One might also consider a trickle charger which has an automatic shout off for keeping the seldom used auto charged. It would beat removing the battery and, at $3.15 or better for gas I ain't about to let the gas hog just sit and run for half an hour. Keeping the juices flowing in a battery is also very, very good in the winter as a stone cold battery really does have a lot less power.. Now, to conserve list traffic I will mention that I have a Sears shop Vac which has a removable section which contains the motor and the output blower. I had not thought of using it for snow removal but I think I will give it a shot this winter. This particular model has (supposedly) an output speed of over 100 mph. Cy, the Ancient Okie... _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geno69 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:21 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/981 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 6:13 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/981 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 6:13 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Most interesting stories. And yeah, I bet you have heard it all and then some in six years. Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Yes, Don, Over the six years working there we do here many interesting stories. The one that sticks in the brain the most is those that take their sport car and put it away for the winter, in someone's garage. It sits for two to three months and some times for 4 months. Then, call AAA, mad because the car won't start because the battery, (they say) I think is dead. Along with I don't understand I am going to need air for the tires they are semi flat. We had to stop giving out advice because people would then turn around for a lawsuit. So, we no longer give advice on this. Nor, can we give advice for the same reason for those that are driving down the highway. "I have steam or white smoke coming from under the hood. Do you think we should stop?" Geno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Hi Don, If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery will be ready to go. HTH Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don - Original Message - From: Roger Bachelder To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Hi Don, If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery will be ready to go. HTH Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Hi guys, Just a couple of recommendations about keeping your automotive, boat or RV battery alive. When disconnecting or removing a battery never and I mean never disconnect the positive cable first. You run the risk of striking an arc and taking out a whole bunch of expensive electronics particularly on newer vehicles. Remember disconnect the negative cable first and reconnect it last. Never coat a battery connection with any kind of Greece. Although Greece in its own right is not a conductor, the dirt and dust particles that adhere to this type of material are. You want a commercially produced battery terminal protectant that dries quickly and hard. I have used clear lacquer in a pinch also if the woman in your life has a sense of humor you can use clear fingernail polish. When servicing or installing a battery make certain the felt terminal pads are fitted over the battery connection point prior to installing the cable. These guys are coated with some kind of secret sauce that will slow down the corrosion process. When removing the battery cable clamp from the battery terminal post never-ever-ever use a pair of pliers to twist off the connector. Once the bolt is loosened up and you can't remove it by rotating it gently by hand hit the local parts house and purchase a "battery terminal puller" these guys only run a few bucks and can save you a broken post on an $80.00 battery. We haven't even touched on cleaning, testing, cable inspection or replacement. Damn don... You could do an entire show on battery and primary charging systems and still not cover all of the good stuff. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:02 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don - Original Message - From: Roger Bachelder To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Hi Don, If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery will be ready to go. HTH Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find some
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
That does work, but you will still have a drain if done over long terms. Batteries only hold a charge for so long then it starts to fade just like with the batteries you use in flashlights. A trickle charger used here will keep that battery working long and hard. At 03:38 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: >Hi Don, > >If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about >the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the >negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will >be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery >will be ready to go. >HTH >Roger C Bachelder 3rd ><mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with >triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards >Don >- Original Message - >From: Geno69 >To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM >Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >I just thought , in not >reading all the pieces to the >battery issue. A few suggest >hints might been order. >A: After a battery starts >getting in years. This >depending on the type of >battery. If the car or van or >truck is not being used . Like >sitting for a two to three >week period and especially >sitting a month or more. >A: if there is instruments >hooked up in the dash-board to >the battery (older models) the >battery is being used by these >instruments. >B: on the new modern cars, >Vans and trucks, especially >true with all the instruments >hooked up. >What is suggested is every >three days run the unit for a >half period to keep the >battery in top working >condition. >During the winter time it is >every other day run it for a >half hour. >If not using and don't want to >bother with turning on the >unit and running it for period >of time, because, the price of >gas. >Especially if going to sit for >a long period of time. This >means a month or more. >First off make sure that the >gas tank is full and dropping >as suggested or recommended >dry gas to the full tank of >gas. Then disconnect and >remove the battery and place >on a wooden block away from a >cement wall and keep off a >cement floor! Keeping it in a >semi warm or warm room When >ready can take it back out and >install and of course some of >the instruments will have to >be reset. >The two cables and the clamps >that go on the positive and >negative poles should be >wrapped up with something that >won't attract moisture, >keeping them dry. Sometimes >even suggesting Vaseline. >If one doesn't know how to do >this task, then, either find >someone that does for removing >or and installing the battery. >If not leave well enough >alone. Just know one will need >to have a jump start. >If there is white power around >the positive and negative >poles this means that they >need to be cleaned and there >might be other issues to look >at. >Again if a person knows what >to do. Removing the clamps and >cleaning them and the poles or >some clamps to clamp and >fasten too. A simple thing as >baking soda and little water >can clean the battery and the >connecter clamps. Sometimes >recommend a light course sand >paper to clean. >Just a thought. >Geno > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Larry, Felt Terminal Pads? I do not recall ever seeing these and they sure did not come with any new battery I have purchased lately. They do sound like a really good idea. Tell me more Cy, the Ancient Okie... _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:50 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Hi guys, Just a couple of recommendations about keeping your automotive, boat or RV battery alive. When disconnecting or removing a battery never and I mean never disconnect the positive cable first. You run the risk of striking an arc and taking out a whole bunch of expensive electronics particularly on newer vehicles. Remember disconnect the negative cable first and reconnect it last. Never coat a battery connection with any kind of Greece. Although Greece in its own right is not a conductor, the dirt and dust particles that adhere to this type of material are. You want a commercially produced battery terminal protectant that dries quickly and hard. I have used clear lacquer in a pinch also if the woman in your life has a sense of humor you can use clear fingernail polish. When servicing or installing a battery make certain the felt terminal pads are fitted over the battery connection point prior to installing the cable. These guys are coated with some kind of secret sauce that will slow down the corrosion process. When removing the battery cable clamp from the battery terminal post never-ever-ever use a pair of pliers to twist off the connector. Once the bolt is loosened up and you can't remove it by rotating it gently by hand hit the local parts house and purchase a "battery terminal puller" these guys only run a few bucks and can save you a broken post on an $80.00 battery. We haven't even touched on cleaning, testing, cable inspection or replacement. Damn don... You could do an entire show on battery and primary charging systems and still not cover all of the good stuff. -Original Message- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:02 PM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don - Original Message - From: Roger Bachelder To: HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Hi Don, If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery will be ready to go. HTH Roger C Bachelder 3rd HYPERLINK "mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandym-an%40yahoogroups-.com> yahoogroups.-com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long pe
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Hi Don, I Can't give you a answer to that question confidently . but if i had to guess, i would say this is not true. I can tell you with confidence that if you do give another vehicle a jump you will cause extra strain on your alternator. If you ever want to test this theory, next time you are jumping a vehicle , take a look at your amps before and after hooking up the jumper cables. Now in the vehicle that is providing the jump, the amps will go down. Another thing to add here. If the amps go down allot, Where talking like 4, 5, or more amps, you will here a major strain on the alternator that is providing the jump. It is good to get in the vehicle that is providing the jump and bring the RPM up a little bit, to eliminate the major strain on the alternator. Another thing to point out here. Always turn off the vehicle before hooking up the jumper cables. Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:02 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don - Original Message - From: Roger Bachelder To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Hi Don, If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery will be ready to go. HTH Roger C Bachelder 3rd [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net> net _ From: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Geno69 To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's I just thought , in not reading all the pieces to the battery issue. A few suggest hints might been order. A: After a battery starts getting in years. This depending on the type of battery. If the car or van or truck is not being used . Like sitting for a two to three week period and especially sitting a month or more. A: if there is instruments hooked up in the dash-board to the battery (older models) the battery is being used by these instruments. B: on the new modern cars, Vans and trucks, especially true with all the instruments hooked up. What is suggested is every three days run the unit for a half period to keep the battery in top working condition. During the winter time it is every other day run it for a half hour. If not using and don't want to bother with turning on the unit and running it for period of time, because, the price of gas. Especially if going to sit for a long period of time. This means a month or more. First off make sure that the gas tank is full and dropping as suggested or recommended dry gas to the full tank of gas. Then disconnect and remove the battery and place on a wooden block away from a cement wall and keep off a cement floor! Keeping it in a semi warm or warm room When ready can take it back out and install and of course some of the instruments will have to be reset. The two cables and the clamps that go on the positive and negative poles should be wrapped up with something that won't attract moisture, keeping them dry. Sometimes even suggesting Vaseline. If one doesn't know how to do this task, then, either find someone that does for removing or and installing the battery. If not leave well enough alone. Just know one will need to have a jump start. If there is white power around the positive and negative poles this means that they need to be cleaned and there might be other issues to look at. Again if a person knows what to do. Removing the clamps and cleaning them and the poles or some clamps to clamp and fasten too. A simple thing as baking soda and little water can clean the battery and the connecter clamps. Sometimes recommend a light course sand paper to clean. Just a thought. Geno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of th
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Cy and Geno, we have one of those trickle chargers or battery maintainers hooked up to the truck battery which we use for our generator. it was $24 and change at Walmart a few years ago. the power for the charger comes from a house cord and then the charger cords or lines of course to to the battery. sure beatspulling in the winter long enough to screw up ones back. Lee -- "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said.
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Larry, I think you just gave yourself anopener for a blind handyman show this fall. All regarding batteries and other related issues. for instance Cy brought up something very interesting. " back in the day" all of our batteries were up front and ready for a jump start or replacement. I agree with some mechanic when he said "open the hood of anything new and it is a electricians nightmare". My hat is off to all of you who can do anything at all under the hood . Give me a 62 Ford and I'd be glad to tinker or work under the hood. Lee -- "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said.
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
Seem them before and you can get them at most parts places. you get two in the box one red and one green. Most use them on show cars, it makes everything under the hood a bit prettier. At 02:57 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >Larry, >Felt Terminal Pads? I do not recall ever seeing these and they sure did not >come with any new battery I have purchased lately. >They do sound like a really good idea. Tell me more >Cy, the Ancient Okie... > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer >Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:50 AM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi guys, > >Just a couple of recommendations about keeping your >automotive, boat or RV battery alive. > >When disconnecting or removing a battery never and I mean >never disconnect the positive cable first. You run the risk >of striking an arc and taking out a whole bunch of expensive >electronics particularly on newer vehicles. Remember >disconnect the negative cable first and reconnect it last. > >Never coat a battery connection with any kind of Greece. >Although Greece in its own right is not a conductor, the >dirt and dust particles that adhere to this type of material >are. You want a commercially produced battery terminal >protectant that dries quickly and hard. I have used clear >lacquer in a pinch also if the woman in your life has a >sense of humor you can use clear fingernail polish. >When servicing or installing a battery make certain the felt >terminal pads are fitted over the battery connection point >prior to installing the cable. These guys are coated with >some kind of secret sauce that will slow down the corrosion >process. >When removing the battery cable clamp from the battery >terminal post never-ever-ever use a pair of pliers to twist >off the connector. Once the bolt is loosened up and you >can't remove it by rotating it gently by hand hit the local >parts house and purchase a "battery terminal puller" these >guys only run a few bucks and can save you a broken post on >an $80.00 battery. >We haven't even touched on cleaning, testing, cable >inspection or replacement. > >Damn don... You could do an entire show on battery and >primary charging systems and still not cover all of the good >stuff. > >-Original Message- >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Don >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:02 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks >now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? >Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don >- Original Message - >From: Roger Bachelder >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi Don, > >If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you >are concerned about >the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, >Just disconnect the >negative terminal. Because you break the current when >doing this, there will >be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the >terminal the battery >will be ready to go. >HTH >Roger C Bachelder 3rd >HYPERLINK "mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ > >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. >I bet working with >triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery >problems. Regards >Don >- Original Message - >From: Geno69 >To: blindhandyman@ ><mailto:blindhandym-an%40yahoogroups-.com> yahoogroups.-com >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM >Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >I just thought , in not >reading all the pieces to the >battery issue. A few suggest >hints might been order. >A: After a battery starts &
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The truth is the computer could take a hit from a static charge when first tried. The best way is to use a lone battery. Let it sit hooked up for a few minutes and then give the starter a try. once its going then unhook. At 12:02 AM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks now days, >that you should not give a person a jump start? Any truth too that, >are is it BS? Don >- Original Message - >From: Roger Bachelder >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi Don, > >If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you are concerned about >the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, Just disconnect the >negative terminal. Because you break the current when doing this, there will >be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the terminal the battery >will be ready to go. >HTH >Roger C Bachelder 3rd ><mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. I bet working with >triple A, you here about just all kinds of auto battery problems. Regards >Don >- Original Message - >From: Geno69 >To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:20 PM >Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >I just thought , in not >reading all the pieces to the >battery issue. A few suggest >hints might been order. >A: After a battery starts >getting in years. This >depending on the type of >battery. If the car or van or >truck is not being used . Like >sitting for a two to three >week period and especially >sitting a month or more. >A: if there is instruments >hooked up in the dash-board to >the battery (older models) the >battery is being used by these >instruments. >B: on the new modern cars, >Vans and trucks, especially >true with all the instruments >hooked up. >What is suggested is every >three days run the unit for a >half period to keep the >battery in top working >condition. >During the winter time it is >every other day run it for a >half hour. >If not using and don't want to >bother with turning on the >unit and running it for period >of time, because, the price of >gas. >Especially if going to sit for >a long period of time. This >means a month or more. >First off make sure that the >gas tank is full and dropping >as suggested or recommended >dry gas to the full tank of >gas. Then disconnect and >remove the battery and place >on a wooden block away from a >cement wall and keep off a >cement floor! Keeping it in a >semi warm or warm room When >ready can take it back out and >install and of course some of >the instruments will have to >be reset. >The two cables and the clamps >that go on the positive and >negative poles should be >wrapped up with something that >won't attract moisture, >keeping them dry. Sometimes >even suggesting Vaseline. >If one doesn't know how to do >this task, then, either find >someone that does for removing >or and installing the battery. >If not leave well enough >alone. Just know one will need >to have a jump start. >If there is white power around >the positive and negative >poles this means that they >need to be cleaned and there >might be other issues to look >at. >Again if a person knows what >to do. Removing the clamps and >cleaning them and the poles or >some clamps to clamp and >fasten too. A simple thing as >baking soda and little water >can clean the battery and the >connecter clamps. Sometimes >recommend a light course sand >paper to clean. >Just a thought. >Geno > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora
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For those who insist upon jump starting a vehicle here is a tip. Connect the positive booster cable clamps to the positive battery terminal, first making absolutely certain your connection is clean and solid ant that they are not touching any metal. Secondly hook the negative booster cable clamp to a solid metal under-hood bracket or support. This can not be a painted surface and it must be bolted to the engine. Bring the RPM up to about 2,000 revs on the host vehicle and attempt to start the guest vehicle. If the vehicle successfully starts remove the negative cables from both vehicles and then remove the positive cables from their respective batteries. Also in common use is a device called a booster box, basically it is a 12 volt jell cell battery, positive and negative clamp connectors on short lengths of high quality low resistance cable and a trickle charger all built into a carrying case. It will charge the jell cell off of 110/AC or a 12 Volt vehicle power adapter and they hook up the same way as described above. I saw one in harbor freight for about $40.00 but keep in mind you get what you pay for. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:42 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Seem them before and you can get them at most parts places. you get two in the box one red and one green. Most use them on show cars, it makes everything under the hood a bit prettier. At 02:57 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >Larry, >Felt Terminal Pads? I do not recall ever seeing these and they sure did >not come with any new battery I have purchased lately. They do sound >like a really good idea. Tell me more Cy, the Ancient Okie... > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] groups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer >Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:50 AM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] roups.com >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi guys, > >Just a couple of recommendations about keeping your automotive, boat or >RV battery alive. > >When disconnecting or removing a battery never and I mean never >disconnect the positive cable first. You run the risk of striking an >arc and taking out a whole bunch of expensive electronics particularly >on newer vehicles. Remember disconnect the negative cable first and >reconnect it last. > >Never coat a battery connection with any kind of Greece. Although >Greece in its own right is not a conductor, the dirt and dust particles >that adhere to this type of material are. You want a commercially >produced battery terminal protectant that dries quickly and hard. I >have used clear lacquer in a pinch also if the woman in your life has a >sense of humor you can use clear fingernail polish. >When servicing or installing a battery make certain the felt >terminal pads are fitted over the battery connection point >prior to installing the cable. These guys are coated with >some kind of secret sauce that will slow down the corrosion >process. >When removing the battery cable clamp from the battery >terminal post never-ever-ever use a pair of pliers to twist >off the connector. Once the bolt is loosened up and you >can't remove it by rotating it gently by hand hit the local >parts house and purchase a "battery terminal puller" these >guys only run a few bucks and can save you a broken post on >an $80.00 battery. >We haven't even touched on cleaning, testing, cable >inspection or replacement. > >Damn don... You could do an entire show on battery and >primary charging systems and still not cover all of the good stuff. > >-Original Message- >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >[mailto:HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >] On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:02 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks >now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? >Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don >- Original Message - >From: Roger Bachelder >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi Don, > >If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips.
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Cy, I'm surprised, even those cheepy Wal-Mart batteries supply them. You might have to ask the hero behind the counter for them but they are definitely out their. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:42 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Seem them before and you can get them at most parts places. you get two in the box one red and one green. Most use them on show cars, it makes everything under the hood a bit prettier. At 02:57 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >Larry, >Felt Terminal Pads? I do not recall ever seeing these and they sure did >not come with any new battery I have purchased lately. They do sound >like a really good idea. Tell me more Cy, the Ancient Okie... > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] groups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer >Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:50 AM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED] roups.com >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi guys, > >Just a couple of recommendations about keeping your automotive, boat or >RV battery alive. > >When disconnecting or removing a battery never and I mean never >disconnect the positive cable first. You run the risk of striking an >arc and taking out a whole bunch of expensive electronics particularly >on newer vehicles. Remember disconnect the negative cable first and >reconnect it last. > >Never coat a battery connection with any kind of Greece. Although >Greece in its own right is not a conductor, the dirt and dust particles >that adhere to this type of material are. You want a commercially >produced battery terminal protectant that dries quickly and hard. I >have used clear lacquer in a pinch also if the woman in your life has a >sense of humor you can use clear fingernail polish. >When servicing or installing a battery make certain the felt >terminal pads are fitted over the battery connection point >prior to installing the cable. These guys are coated with >some kind of secret sauce that will slow down the corrosion >process. >When removing the battery cable clamp from the battery >terminal post never-ever-ever use a pair of pliers to twist >off the connector. Once the bolt is loosened up and you >can't remove it by rotating it gently by hand hit the local >parts house and purchase a "battery terminal puller" these >guys only run a few bucks and can save you a broken post on >an $80.00 battery. >We haven't even touched on cleaning, testing, cable >inspection or replacement. > >Damn don... You could do an entire show on battery and >primary charging systems and still not cover all of the good stuff. > >-Original Message- >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >[mailto:HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >] On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:02 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Good tip. I have all so heard with the newer cars/trucks >now days, that you should not give a person a jump start? >Any truth too that, are is it BS? Don >- Original Message - >From: Roger Bachelder >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:38 PM >Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Hi Don, > >If i may add one thing here to Geno's great tips. if you >are concerned about >the battery dieing because of seldom use of a vehicle, >Just disconnect the >negative terminal. Because you break the current when >doing this, there will >be no drain from anything. So when you reconnect the >terminal the battery >will be ready to go. >HTH >Roger C Bachelder 3rd >HYPERLINK "mailto:Bachelder3%40verizon.net"[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ > >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >[mailto:HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >] >On Behalf Of Don >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:40 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com"[EMAIL PROTECTED] ogroups.-com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's > >Geno, some good tips here, thanks for sending them along. &g
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's
We will be talking with Larry again this fall, probably more than once, grin. Don - Original Message - From: Lee A. Stone To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Batteries: Car's/Van's Larry, I think you just gave yourself anopener for a blind handyman show this fall. All regarding batteries and other related issues. for instance Cy brought up something very interesting. " back in the day" all of our batteries were up front and ready for a jump start or replacement. I agree with some mechanic when he said "open the hood of anything new and it is a electricians nightmare". My hat is off to all of you who can do anything at all under the hood . Give me a 62 Ford and I'd be glad to tinker or work under the hood. Lee -- "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
