Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
У ср, 2010-02-10 у 12:14 +0100, David Kastrup пише: > > For example, system has upper singes paused in the first half and > > lower singers paused in the second half of system. Then this > > "squeezing" is just great. > > In your given example, it looks like an utterly wrong thing to do to > make two different lyrics contexts superimposed on one another, at the > very least as long as we are staying on one line. Yes, that example is too dumb. I've attached extract from real score, which demonstrates an issue. 2.12 (and 2.10 as far?.. not sure though) places stave closer making lyrics on one baseline, which is excellent. I know, i can re-assign lyrics to "different contexts", but actually there are scores which just _want a lot_ lilypond to place lyrics on one baseline. Now i'm trying (well... not right now, most probably) to make "minimal example". Thanks. Sorry, would you mind such attachments (along with cross-posting)? Probably, it's incorrect in some sense, sorry, excuse me. (fragment by M. Dyletsky, followed by fragment by S. Pekalytsky, mid.18th century; excuse my english, please, too) -- Dmytro O. Redchuk <>___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
У ср, 2010-02-10 у 11:54 +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk пише: > And now: *SORRY* --- i have to look closer on this "issue". Now in some > cases 2.13 behaves exactly as 2.12, so i will try to do more tests and > look closer to real scores where this is the problem. Well... it seems to heavily depend on what's exactly in that "voice" which has no lyrics temporarily (rests? notes? spaces?..). Reinhold, good news, this maybe not a problem for you, if you, let's say do not type different voices on the same staff. I will do some checks. This *is* the problem for me. Now i'm almost lost, because testing with different "little examples" shows different results with the same version, or the same result with different versions. :O( > *Sorry*, and thank You! -- Dmytro O. Redchuk ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
Am Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 10:23:47 schrieb Trevor Daniels: > Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:31 AM > > > Well, i'd like to ask again: so, it looks like it will never be > > possible > > so far? With the new "spacing engine"? > > > > (i've attached two images, again, by 2.12.3 and 2.13.12, with > > skylines) > > Are the attached images the right way round? The one > called 2.13.12 looks right to me and 2.12.3 looks wrong. > Or have I misunderstood the problem? Yes, you have misunderstood the problem: Typically, one staff has only the first two notes, the second staff has only the last two notes. In this case, you don't want to waste the space for two lyrics lines, but compress them into one. 2.12 did that automatically, 2.13 doesn't seem to allow it (I haven't checked it myself, though)... Hmm, I haven't checked that, but if that's the case, then I also have a problem with some of my old choir music that I typeset a while ago :( So, a solution would be really good. Cheers, REinhold -- -- Reinhold Kainhofer, reinh...@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial & Actuarial Math., Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria * http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/, DVR: 0005886 * LilyPond, Music typesetting, http://www.lilypond.org ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
У ср, 2010-02-10 у 09:23 +, Trevor Daniels пише: > Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:31 AM > > > > Well, i'd like to ask again: so, it looks like it will never be > > possible > > so far? With the new "spacing engine"? > > > > (i've attached two images, again, by 2.12.3 and 2.13.12, with > > skylines) > > Are the attached images the right way round? The one > called 2.13.12 looks right to me and 2.12.3 looks wrong. > Or have I misunderstood the problem? No, "both are right", but "2.12.3 is much better" for me. My problem is that lilypond 2.13.* does not squeeze stave and lyrics lines "as close as possible" and system takes more (unneeded) space. For example, system has upper singes paused in the first half and lower singers paused in the second half of system. Then this "squeezing" is just great. 2.12 (and 2.10 if i can remember) could do this better, i mean to align different lyrics contexts "on one baseline". And now: *SORRY* --- i have to look closer on this "issue". Now in some cases 2.13 behaves exactly as 2.12, so i will try to do more tests and look closer to real scores where this is the problem. *Sorry*, and thank You! > > Trevor -- Dmytro O. Redchuk ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:31 AM Well, i'd like to ask again: so, it looks like it will never be possible so far? With the new "spacing engine"? (i've attached two images, again, by 2.12.3 and 2.13.12, with skylines) Are the attached images the right way round? The one called 2.13.12 looks right to me and 2.12.3 looks wrong. Or have I misunderstood the problem? Trevor ___ bug-lilypond mailing list bug-lilypond@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond
Re: [2.13] Problem with two consecutive interruped lyrics
У пт, 2010-02-05 у 21:17 +0200, Dmytro O. Redchuk пише:
> Hi.
Hi again!-)
(Sorry, Cc'ing to bug-lilypond)
Well, i'd like to ask again: so, it looks like it will never be possible
so far? With the new "spacing engine"?
(i've attached two images, again, by 2.12.3 and 2.13.12, with skylines)
If so, if "it will never be possible", then i can not file this as a
bug :O)
But... "too bad"?.. :O(
I've experienced this "issue" in real scores, and it makes these scores
much worse. Is there any... hope?-) Or, at least, workaround?
Thank you!
> I have a score with two stave and two lyrics lines both of which have
> "long pauses" --- let's say, a half of staff singing and next half ---
> silence.
>
> And i want to place both lyrics lines between these two stave. The
> problem is that 2.12 could place both lyric lines at the same baseline
> (twolyrics-2.12.3.png, attached), however i can not force 2.13 to do the
> same (twolyrics-2.13.12.png).
>
> Snippet (one measure):
>
> % ---8<-
>
> melody = \relative c'' {
> c c c c
> }
>
> upperLyr = \lyricmode {
> la la _ _
> }
>
> lowerLyr = \lyricmode {
> _ _ la la
> }
>
> \score {
> \new ChoirStaff <<
> \new Staff = "upper" {
> \new Voice = "upper" {
> \melody
> }
> }
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "upper" \upperLyr
> \new Staff = "lower" {
> \new Voice = "lower" {
> \melody
> }
> }
> \new Lyrics \with {
> alignAboveContext = "lower"
> } \lyricsto "lower" \lowerLyr
> >>
> }
>
> % ---8<-
>
> So, two images illustrate my "problem", please help.
>
> I've tried with affinity and spacing parameters but failed. I could make
> a gap a bit smaller, not more.
>
> Thanks!
>
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