Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
hmm the data arrays are just "formats" to exchange information between controllers, functions etc. you could refactor this to be object-style, but imo this doesnt have much to do with OOprogramming. cause the "real" objects in OOP are fixed entities (like the models that we use in cake), in real OOP you also pass data as being arrays, because you need some sort of container that contains "chunks of concentraded information" , not only the content, but also the structure of these are very variable, and can't really be written down in a class, which is the mother of objects. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Thanks all ;) I know of limitations of OO in PHP4. I "prefer" version 5 ... if I'm able to choose not to use it :D Bret writes : "to override the core of cakePHP's behavior and write code that takes cake's array format and converts it to objects" That's what I have done (adding some findOO method, calling find and returning an instance). And it's not really hard to code. That's why I'm so surprise it's not in the cake package yet. But from now, I will wait for the 2.0 version, hoping those functionnalities will be considered as important. And for the time, I will try to find some real OO solution online, like Rails. Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, yes [PHP4] does support OO programming. It just doesn't do it well and > in the truest since of the term. Neither does PHP5... something like Java is a "true" OO language, PHP5 is still mostly procedural augmented with OO functionality. But like Chris said... that doesn't help Tony any. The only thing other than waiting for version 2 to come out is to override the core of cakePHP's behavior and write code that takes cake's array format and converts it to objects. Or he could just change the code all together and make it output objects from the get-go. This, obviously, isn't a great solution, but I can't think of something easier. It's not in cake yet, so unless you put it there yourself you're just going to have to wait. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Okay, you win. But I don't think it really helps Tony fix the problem that started this thread. It's not a PHP 4 vs. PHP 5 issue, no matter how many words you devote to telling me that PHP 5 is true objected-oriented programming. It's a style issue, and if Tony needs to mix functional programming with object-oriented programming, who am I to tell him what to do? Obviously we can't expect Tony to sit around and wait for Cake 2.0... On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not TRUE object oriented programming. That is the whole revelation of > PHP5 and why most frameworks aren't available to PHP4. Sure it has it > by being VERY careful in what you are doing. But it still is > cumbersome, prone to errors, and slow as compared to PHP5. Which > again, is why most frameworks cheap out to PHP5 only and aren't as > ingenous as the CakePHP people to tackle the PHP4 challenge. > > So, yes it does support OO programming. It just doesn't do it well and > in the truest since of the term. But again having to tackle having one > method that automatically references PHP4 or PHP5 correctly is one > distinction of CakePHP. > > > > > -- Chris Hartjes "The greatest inefficiencies come from solving problems you will never have." -- Rasmus Lerdorf @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Not TRUE object oriented programming. That is the whole revelation of PHP5 and why most frameworks aren't available to PHP4. Sure it has it by being VERY careful in what you are doing. But it still is cumbersome, prone to errors, and slow as compared to PHP5. Which again, is why most frameworks cheap out to PHP5 only and aren't as ingenous as the CakePHP people to tackle the PHP4 challenge. So, yes it does support OO programming. It just doesn't do it well and in the truest since of the term. But again having to tackle having one method that automatically references PHP4 or PHP5 correctly is one distinction of CakePHP. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Hold on there, cowboy. PHP 4 does support object-oriented programming. On 8/31/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Plus CakePHP works with PHP4 which doesn't support OO programming. So, > that limitation means that to keep CakePHP working for PHP4 and PHP5 > they would need to write a whole PHP engine to handle the differences > at the PHP level and bring the true OO when PHP5 is used instead of 4. > > > > > -- Chris Hartjes "The greatest inefficiencies come from solving problems you will never have." -- Rasmus Lerdorf @TheBallpark - http://www.littlehart.net/attheballpark @TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Plus CakePHP works with PHP4 which doesn't support OO programming. So, that limitation means that to keep CakePHP working for PHP4 and PHP5 they would need to write a whole PHP engine to handle the differences at the PHP level and bring the true OO when PHP5 is used instead of 4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Models, find/findAll and object programming
Tony, I agree, the retuning of arrays doesn't support good object-oriented practices. But arrays are extremely flexible and easy to work with in PHP, so that's probably why the developers chose to use them in CakePHP. Version 2 of Cake, however, is supposively going to completely change the way models return data by using objects just as us OO zealots prefer :) So stick with it and eventually cake will upgrade to a more robust OO environment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
