Re: helper or html tag ?

2007-10-01 Thread Mike Green

interesting.. I didnt think  wrote:
> You can use  - I am pretty
> sure this is standard behaviour, at least I have not run into any
> troubles with it.
>
> My designer generally does the mock ups and then I place the actual
> php code in the mocks.  I find that this works best for the way I
> work, and most designers get a little consfused when you say "just
> loop over it" and stuff like that that us developers just know.
>
> Geoff
> --http://lemoncake.wordpress.com
>
> On Oct 1, 11:28 am, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > my designer knows very well about css, but we still use table and css
> > (mixing) because, sometimes it would be harder to do design with css.
> > if i use htmlhelper, it would be easier .. but for my designer, he
> > might not understand about php code at all. and if he asking me to
> > change the code or order of the code , it would takes my time as
> > well ...
>
> > btw, is cakephp 1.2 or later, will use templating like in rails ? (or
> > is it already there ? )
> > I hate to see echo everywhere on my templates, it looks terrible 
> > i would love to see like link(.) ?> or like in the
> > smarty {$html->link()}
>
> > thx you
> > adwin
>
> > On Sep 29, 12:20 pm, FallenJehova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > If your designer knows css, I would recommend using the htmlhelper.
> > > It's is very simple and fast to use for you, and as all elements are
> > > styleable, he'll would have no problem working with them.
>
> > > I am one of those who thinks that php is already a template language
> > > and smarty's features does not compensate the loss of simplicity and
> > > the processing overhead it produces.
>
> > > proce
> > > On 28 sep, 23:38, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
> > > > htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?
>
> > > > i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
> > > > is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
> > > > about scripting).
>
> > > > can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
> > > > smarty ?
> > > > especially for the easy of use


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Re: helper or html tag ?

2007-10-01 Thread Geoff Ford

You can use  - I am pretty
sure this is standard behaviour, at least I have not run into any
troubles with it.

My designer generally does the mock ups and then I place the actual
php code in the mocks.  I find that this works best for the way I
work, and most designers get a little consfused when you say "just
loop over it" and stuff like that that us developers just know.

Geoff
--
http://lemoncake.wordpress.com

On Oct 1, 11:28 am, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> my designer knows very well about css, but we still use table and css
> (mixing) because, sometimes it would be harder to do design with css.
> if i use htmlhelper, it would be easier .. but for my designer, he
> might not understand about php code at all. and if he asking me to
> change the code or order of the code , it would takes my time as
> well ...
>
> btw, is cakephp 1.2 or later, will use templating like in rails ? (or
> is it already there ? )
> I hate to see echo everywhere on my templates, it looks terrible 
> i would love to see like link(.) ?> or like in the
> smarty {$html->link()}
>
> thx you
> adwin
>
> On Sep 29, 12:20 pm, FallenJehova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > If your designer knows css, I would recommend using the htmlhelper.
> > It's is very simple and fast to use for you, and as all elements are
> > styleable, he'll would have no problem working with them.
>
> > I am one of those who thinks that php is already a template language
> > and smarty's features does not compensate the loss of simplicity and
> > the processing overhead it produces.
>
> > proce
> > On 28 sep, 23:38, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
> > > htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?
>
> > > i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
> > > is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
> > > about scripting).
>
> > > can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
> > > smarty ?
> > > especially for the easy of use


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Re: helper or html tag ?

2007-09-30 Thread Adwin Wijaya

my designer knows very well about css, but we still use table and css
(mixing) because, sometimes it would be harder to do design with css.
if i use htmlhelper, it would be easier .. but for my designer, he
might not understand about php code at all. and if he asking me to
change the code or order of the code , it would takes my time as
well ...

btw, is cakephp 1.2 or later, will use templating like in rails ? (or
is it already there ? )
I hate to see echo everywhere on my templates, it looks terrible 
i would love to see like link(.) ?> or like in the
smarty {$html->link()}

thx you
adwin

On Sep 29, 12:20 pm, FallenJehova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If your designer knows css, I would recommend using the htmlhelper.
> It's is very simple and fast to use for you, and as all elements are
> styleable, he'll would have no problem working with them.
>
> I am one of those who thinks that php is already a template language
> and smarty's features does not compensate the loss of simplicity and
> the processing overhead it produces.
>
> proce
> On 28 sep, 23:38, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
> > htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?
>
> > i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
> > is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
> > about scripting).
>
> > can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
> > smarty ?
> > especially for the easy of use


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Re: helper or html tag ?

2007-09-28 Thread FallenJehova


Hi,

If your designer knows css, I would recommend using the htmlhelper.
It's is very simple and fast to use for you, and as all elements are
styleable, he'll would have no problem working with them.

I am one of those who thinks that php is already a template language
and smarty's features does not compensate the loss of simplicity and
the processing overhead it produces.



proce
On 28 sep, 23:38, Adwin  Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
> htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?
>
> i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
> is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
> about scripting).
>
> can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
> smarty ?
> especially for the easy of use


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RE: helper or html tag ?

2007-09-28 Thread Mariano Iglesias

Oh so you *do* have a brain

:)

Sorry, this is the Pinot Noir talking

-MI

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Asunto: Re: helper or html tag ?

I use HTML helper all I can because I like have a programmatic way to
do complicated HTML tags instead of figuring it all out by hand.  Just
the way my brain is wired I guess.


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Re: helper or html tag ?

2007-09-28 Thread Chris Hartjes

On 9/28/07, Adwin Wijaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
> htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?
>
> i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
> is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
> about scripting).
>
> can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
> smarty ?
> especially for the easy of use

I use HTML helper all I can because I like have a programmatic way to
do complicated HTML tags instead of figuring it all out by hand.  Just
the way my brain is wired I guess.

-- 
Chris Hartjes
Senior Developer
Cake Development Corporation
http://www.cakedevelopment.com

My motto for 2007:  "Just build it, damnit!"

@TheKeyboard - http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard

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helper or html tag ?

2007-09-28 Thread Adwin Wijaya

Hi,

for you, who are playing with cakephp for quite long, are you using
htmlhelper or just use plain html code or smarty ?

i  myself, get used with smarty for about 3 years and my web designer
is get used with it (he just know how to do html and css, no idea
about scripting).

can you give me the advantages using cakephp helper object over using
smarty ?
especially for the easy of use


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