Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
what is the question - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7061t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
Q. What is your favorite color? A. Blue... NO RED. AG! (Courtesy of Monty Python and the Holy Grail) -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] what is the question - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7065t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
Run Away...Run Away.. - Original Message - From: MIRSKY Carl To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: RE: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Q. What is your favorite color? A. Blue... NO RED. AG! (Courtesy of Monty Python and the Holy Grail) -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] what is the question - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7074t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
Hi all, Fairly basic question I think, but as I've not had anything to do with Newsgroups before this one, I don't know the answer: I take it that if you subscribe, you send an e-mail which goes to everyone who's subscribed, but if you don't subscribe, (ie. you just post to the newsgroup) the only people that see your message are the ones that view the newsgroup. Is this the case, or have I got it wrong? One more quick question. Has the formatting of the threads gone all to pot. I've sent a couple of e-mails to Paul with a low priority asking if something is wrong, as I have a couple of other news groups which are fine. The problem seems to be that threads never seem to go deeper than one post, threads get separated, threads marked as 'watched' do not function correctly. Anybody? Cheers, Gaz Michael L. Williams wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... FOLLOW UP MESSAGE: I went back and looked at your other messages. There were ALOT of questions. Some were broad.. broad enough that a simple Google search or search of Cisco's website could have found some answers. I'm not flaming you at all.. but when you have 13 (!!) questions, try to break them up into separate messages or groups of related messages each with a descriptive headers. that might get a better response. But also, the group likes people that have at least put some effort into answering their own questions. And questions like: What is the purpose of ICMP messages? What are the features of SNMP ? What is ERLANG B? don't show any indication that you've at least done a simple web search to find your answers. Here's what I found: What is the purpose of ICMP messages? Google (http://www.google.com) search using the search terms purpose ICMP. This was the top result http://www.ee.siue.edu/~rwalden/networking/icmp.html Cisco (http://www.cisco.com) search using the search terms ICMP overview (overview is one of my favorite Cisco search terms =). Top result: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/ip.htm#xtocid223631 3 What are the features of SNMP ? Cisco search on SNMP First 2 results: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/snmp.htm http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/intsolns/dialnms/snmpover.h tm What is ERLANG B? Google search on ERLANG B. Third result: http://www.owenduffy.com.au/electronics/erlangb.htm (even has the mathematical formula for an Erlang distribution) http://mmc.et.tudelft.nl/~frits/Erlang.htm (an java Erlang calulator with a picture of A.K. Erlang on it... HA!) Cisco search on ERLANG B. Second result: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/voice/ics7750/design/dprov.h tm (page on traffic engineering) Now. is this the kind of information you were wanting from your original post? If so, then I'm glad to provide it. But I must say that with 5 minutes and searching only using 2 websites, I found all of this and more relating to your questions. It's 5 minutes of my time that I was happy to provide, but 5 minutes of your time that the group will expect you to provide yourself next time. Mike W. Mike Peterson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6870t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
Mike, I have been a member of this list for about 18 months and I have found the exact opposite. I have this list and the tips/info/knowledge gleamed for my CCNP. Icont to get tips and gain industry knowledge by maintaining membership on this list. Tim From: Mike Peterson Reply-To: Mike Peterson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:50:11 -0400 Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6839t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
well, for over 100 emails a day this list must be sharing something. I don't recall your questions so I won't even theorize on why they weren't answered. However, one thing I will say, if your attitude is that the list owes you answers then you should probably look somewhere else Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, 01 June, 2001 18:50 Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6841t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
easy question: don't like it? easy answer: unsubscribe - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6843t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
It takes time to compose an answer. Time that often could be spent on one's own studies. I generally answer questions from folks who are relatively new to this field and need help setting up a home lab. Some questions come up again and again. I don't always answer. Some questions indicate that the poster didn't try the most rudementary search on CCO. I usually delete those. In the time that I have been on this list (since Nov 98) I have asked four questions. In each case someone took time from their day to help me. It is appreciated. I have learned so much from just reading posts. There are some very accomplished folks who contribute. There is also a sense of community. People striving towards a common goal. That is good. Often our families and co-workers don't understand what we do or what drives us to continue at it. We celebrate each other's successes. There have also been personal touches - like Oz talking about his 'Mum'. A great lesson in life. People on this list do not withhold information. They share. However, they do not spoonfeed the lazy. Make a determined effort to find the answer yourself. If you are still stuck, then post a question - but show what you have done to reach your present point. Remember - in our jobs we are paid to solve problems - not blame others - or find excuses. Good luck in your future no matter what you decide to do. -Original Message- From: Mike Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike -- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6849t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
Is it cool to bag on this person because he's expressing concern over not getting responses from the group.. I don't think so.. as he says, isn't that what groupstudy is all about. Is is such a bad thing to EXPECT an answer? Otherwise what's the point of posting at all? Mike, I would suggest that now that you've expressed your concern, and people are listening, that you repost your question, or at least hang in the group long enough to give it another shot when you have other questions. But, also read the posts and try to answers other questions too. this group is based on give and take. I think, for the most part, the people in this group are a good group of people that have a lot of good experience, thoughts, knowledge, and suggestions on questions, *especially* related to Cisco exams and studying for Cisco exams (not neccessarily to fix my problem type posts). My 2 cents.. can't we all just get along=} Mike W. andyh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... easy question: don't like it? easy answer: unsubscribe - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837] Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6853t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: It group study worth it or not!!!??? [7:6837]
FOLLOW UP MESSAGE: I went back and looked at your other messages. There were ALOT of questions. Some were broad.. broad enough that a simple Google search or search of Cisco's website could have found some answers. I'm not flaming you at all.. but when you have 13 (!!) questions, try to break them up into separate messages or groups of related messages each with a descriptive headers. that might get a better response. But also, the group likes people that have at least put some effort into answering their own questions. And questions like: What is the purpose of ICMP messages? What are the features of SNMP ? What is ERLANG B? don't show any indication that you've at least done a simple web search to find your answers. Here's what I found: What is the purpose of ICMP messages? Google (http://www.google.com) search using the search terms purpose ICMP. This was the top result http://www.ee.siue.edu/~rwalden/networking/icmp.html Cisco (http://www.cisco.com) search using the search terms ICMP overview (overview is one of my favorite Cisco search terms =). Top result: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/ip.htm#xtocid223631 3 What are the features of SNMP ? Cisco search on SNMP First 2 results: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/snmp.htm http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/intsolns/dialnms/snmpover.h tm What is ERLANG B? Google search on ERLANG B. Third result: http://www.owenduffy.com.au/electronics/erlangb.htm (even has the mathematical formula for an Erlang distribution) http://mmc.et.tudelft.nl/~frits/Erlang.htm (an java Erlang calulator with a picture of A.K. Erlang on it... HA!) Cisco search on ERLANG B. Second result: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/voice/ics7750/design/dprov.h tm (page on traffic engineering) Now. is this the kind of information you were wanting from your original post? If so, then I'm glad to provide it. But I must say that with 5 minutes and searching only using 2 websites, I found all of this and more relating to your questions. It's 5 minutes of my time that I was happy to provide, but 5 minutes of your time that the group will expect you to provide yourself next time. Mike W. Mike Peterson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, A while back I posted some questions but I haven't got any answers back from no one whomake me think that ether nobody have an answer or the oposite ...no one wants to share the knowledge between us.I would like to find out what do you guys think about this total silence.Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Mike Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=6854t=6837 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
