Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: best practices for *simple* contributor IP/licensing management for open source?

[Dan Scott]

Trying to post inline in GroupWise, apologies if it ends up looking
like crap... 

> I*m imagining something where each
> contributor/accepted-pull-request-submitter basically just puts a
> digital file in the repo, once, that says something like *All the
code
> I*ve contributed to this repo in past or future, I have the legal
> ability to release under license X, and I have done so.* And then I
> guess in the License file, instead of saying *copyright Original
> Author*, it would be like *copyright by various contributors, see
files
> in ./contributors to see who.*
 
I wouldn't suggest imagining new things when it comes to legal issues
;) 

I would suggest considering the Developer's Certificate of Originality
(DCO) process as adopted by the Linux project and others (including
Evergreen). When Evergreen was in the process of joining the Software
Freedom Conservancy, that process was considered acceptable practice
(IIRC, the Software Freedom Law Center did take a glance) - no doubt in
part because it is a well-established practice. And talk about
lightweight; using the git Signed-off-by tag indicates that you've read
the DCO and agree to its terms. 

For a recent discussion and description of the DCO (in the context of
the Project Harmony discussions which were focused primarily on the much
heavier-weight CLA processes), see
http://lists.harmonyagreements.org/pipermail/harmony-drafting/2011-August/99.html
for example. 

[CODE4LIB] Kindle Lending Programs

[Patrick Berry]

Hi all,

I was recently charged with re-vamping our Kindle lending program.  In the
middle of this my 6 Kindles updated to the 3.3 firmware which threw a
gigantic DRM wrench into my workflow.  So, if you are thinking about doing
Kindles (not Fires by the way) you might want to give this a read:

http://code4lib.org/node/426

Questions, corrections, comments all welcome.

Thanks,
Pat

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Madrigal, Juan A]

FreeBSD FTW! ;)

-Juan

On 12/14/11 5:09 PM, "Alexander Johannesen"
 wrote:

>MJ Ray  wrote:
>
>> I humbly suggest that long futz times are only necessary these days
>> when most of the following combine:
>>
>
>Hmm.
>
>
>>  1. unsupported/hard-to-support hardware (maybe bought for compatibility
>> with another even-fussier operating system?);
>>
>
>Yes, this is the big offender, however I've never met an Ubuntu first
>install that didn't work good on the first try. It's only when you start
>tweaking stuff it seems it falls down a little.
>
>
>>  2. control-freakery ("it must work/look exactly THIS way RIGHT NOW
>> without me doing much");
>>
>
>Yes, hackers tweak, it's in their nature. They also know the consequences
>of hacking and tweaking, so I'm not sure this is bad thing per se. I
>personally went Linux *because* I like tweaking and then fixing my messes
>(my blog is full of angry anecdotes and stories about just this, some
>sillier than others), and there is one difference between (at least) the
>Windows world and the Linux world; fixing a broken Linux is tons easier
>than fixing a broken Windows, so even if we do talk about stuff getting
>broken the fixes are not even comparable.
>
> 3. not good at asking for technical help online or being patient with
>> LUGs;
>>
>
>Hardly ever used this.
>
>
>>  4. not willing to find and/or pay local experts;
>>
>
>I pay myself all the time.
>
>
>>  5. not willing to search/read the copious fine manuals or debug logs.
>>
>
>The amount of fragmented and irrelevant information out there is inverse
>proportional to the time you thought it would take to fix your problem.
>
> I guess newcomers still have to get used to
>> basics like having 5 or more useful mouse buttons instead of 1...
>>
>
>With the (reasonably) few mishaps I've had while updating and installing
>Ubuntu versions, I'm still a happy hacker that never regretted the move,
>even if the journey has been bumpy at times. However, a word of warning
>about Ubuntu is that it is moving in a direction that, to me, is
>completely
>wrong, so I'm switching to Mint (with that Gnome 3 layer that makes it
>Gnome 2 compatible). Unity is a travesty, and the people who hate it the
>most are ... the tweakers and hackers. Just sayin'
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Alex
>-- 
> Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps
>--- http://shelter.nu/blog/ --
>-- http://www.google.com/profiles/alexander.johannesen ---

[CODE4LIB] Q: best practices for *simple* contributor IP/licensing management for open source?

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Also posted on my blog at:
http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/practices-for-simple-contributor-management/

So, like many non-huge non-corporate-supported open source projects, 
many of the open source projects I contribute to go something like this 
(some of which I was original author, others not):


* Someone starts the project in an publicly accessible repo.

* If she works for a company, in the best case she got permission with 
her employer (who may or may not own copyright to code she writes) to 
release it as open source.


* She sticks some open source License file in the repo saying “copying 
Carrie Coder” and/or the the name of the employer.



Okay, so far so good, but then:

* She adds someone else as a committer, who starts committing code. 
And/or accepts pull requests on github etc, committing code by other 
authors.

* Never even thinks about licensing/intellectual property issues.

What can go wrong?

* Well, the license file probably still says ‘copyright Carrie Coder’ or 
‘copyright Acme Inc’, even though the code by other authors has 
copyright held by them (or their employers). So right away something 
seems not all on the up and up.


* One of those contributors can later be like “Wait, I didn’t mean to 
release that open source, and I own the copyright, you don’t have my 
permission to use it, take it out.”


* Or worse, one of the contributors employers can assert they own the 
copyright and did not give permission for it to be released open source 
and you don’t have permission to use it (and neither does anyone else 
that’s copied or forked it from you).


== Heavy weight solutions

So there’s a really heavy-weight solution to this, like Apache 
Foundation uses in their Contributor License Agreement. This is 
something people have to actually print out and sign and mail in. Some 
agreements like this actually transfer the copyright to some corporate 
entity, presumably so the project can easily re-license under a 
different license later. (I thought Apache did this, but apparently not).


This is kind of too much over-head for a simple non-corporate-sponsored 
open source project. Who’s going to receive all this mail, and where are 
they going to keep the contracts? There is no corporate entity to be 
granted a non-exclusive license to do anything. (And the hypothetical 
project isn’t nearly so important or popular to justify trying to get 
umbrella stewardship from Apache or the Software Freedom Conservancy or 
whatever.(If it were, the Software Freedom Conservancy is a good option, 
but still too much overhead for the dozens of different tiny-to-medium 
sized projects anyone may be involved in. )


Even so far as individuals, over the life of the project who the 
committers are may very well change, and not include the original 
author(s) anymore.


And you don’t want to make someone print out sign and wait for you to 
receive something before accepting their commits, that’s not internet-speed.


== Best practices for a simpler solution that’s not nothing?

So doing it ‘right’ with that heavy-weight solution is just way too much 
trouble, so most of us just keep ignoring it.


But is there some lighter-weight better-than-nothing 
probably-good-enough approach? I am curious if anyone can provide 
examples, ideally lawyer-vetted examples, of doing this much simpler.


Most of my projects are MIT-style licensed, which already says “do 
whatever the heck you want with this code”, so I don’t really care about 
being able to re-license under a different license later (I don’t think 
I do? Or maybe even the MIT license would already allow anyone to do 
that). So I definitely don’t need and can’t really can’t handle paper 
print-outs.


I’m imagining something where each 
contributor/accepted-pull-request-submitter basically just puts a 
digital file in the repo, once, that says something like “All the code 
I’ve contributed to this repo in past or future, I have the legal 
ability to release under license X, and I have done so.” And then I 
guess in the License file, instead of saying ‘copyright Original 
Author’, it would be like ‘copyright by various contributors, see files 
in ./contributors to see who.’


Does something along those lines end up working legally, or is it 
worthless, no better than just continuing to ignore the problem, so you 
might as well just continue to ignore the problem? Or if it is 
potentially workable, does anyone have examples of projects using such a 
system, ideally with some evidence some lawyer has said it’s worthwhile, 
including a lawyer-vetted digital contributor agreement?


Any ideas?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Alexander Johannesen]

MJ Ray  wrote:

> I humbly suggest that long futz times are only necessary these days
> when most of the following combine:
>

Hmm.


>  1. unsupported/hard-to-support hardware (maybe bought for compatibility
> with another even-fussier operating system?);
>

Yes, this is the big offender, however I've never met an Ubuntu first
install that didn't work good on the first try. It's only when you start
tweaking stuff it seems it falls down a little.


>  2. control-freakery ("it must work/look exactly THIS way RIGHT NOW
> without me doing much");
>

Yes, hackers tweak, it's in their nature. They also know the consequences
of hacking and tweaking, so I'm not sure this is bad thing per se. I
personally went Linux *because* I like tweaking and then fixing my messes
(my blog is full of angry anecdotes and stories about just this, some
sillier than others), and there is one difference between (at least) the
Windows world and the Linux world; fixing a broken Linux is tons easier
than fixing a broken Windows, so even if we do talk about stuff getting
broken the fixes are not even comparable.

 3. not good at asking for technical help online or being patient with
> LUGs;
>

Hardly ever used this.


>  4. not willing to find and/or pay local experts;
>

I pay myself all the time.


>  5. not willing to search/read the copious fine manuals or debug logs.
>

The amount of fragmented and irrelevant information out there is inverse
proportional to the time you thought it would take to fix your problem.

 I guess newcomers still have to get used to
> basics like having 5 or more useful mouse buttons instead of 1...
>

With the (reasonably) few mishaps I've had while updating and installing
Ubuntu versions, I'm still a happy hacker that never regretted the move,
even if the journey has been bumpy at times. However, a word of warning
about Ubuntu is that it is moving in a direction that, to me, is completely
wrong, so I'm switching to Mint (with that Gnome 3 layer that makes it
Gnome 2 compatible). Unity is a travesty, and the people who hate it the
most are ... the tweakers and hackers. Just sayin'


Regards,

Alex
-- 
 Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps
--- http://shelter.nu/blog/ --
-- http://www.google.com/profiles/alexander.johannesen ---

[CODE4LIB] Equinox offering two scholarships for the 2012 Code4Lib conference

[Galen Charlton]

[Please excuse the cross-posting.  Potential applicants should be aware 
of a new piece of information since the initial announcement: as part of 
our overall sponsorship of the conference, Equinox had one attendance 
slot that was reserved for an Equinox employee.  We are now using that 
slot in order to make the scholarship of benefit to somebody who would 
otherwise not be able to attend the conference.  If you meet the 
eligibility criteria and either didn't register for the conference yet 
or are on the waiting list, we encourage you to apply for the scholarship.]


Equinox Software is offering 2 scholarships to the code4lib conference 
in February.


The scholarships will reimburse travel and accommodation expenses up to 
$750.00 USD for a full-time employee from public libraries using either 
Evergreen or Koha to attend the Code4Lib Conference in Seattle, 
Washington, USA, from February 6-9, 2012.  The awardees will also 
receive (depending on their circumstances) free registration to Code4Lib 
or reimbursement of an already-paid registration.


ELIGIBILITY
The applicants must be presently working in a public library that is 
currently using or is actively committed to moving to either Evergreen 
or Koha as their ILS.


The applicants must indicate any amount and source of additional funding 
which, combined with the Scholarship, will permit them to cover their 
expenses to attend the Conference.  (This will not reduce the amount of 
the award.)


Preference will be given to underfunded libraries or libraries in budget 
crisis.


DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONDecember 31, 2011

The email application should include a current resume, including all 
contact information, education, and experience, along with an essay as 
described below.


The applicants will write up to 750 words of narrative in English to 
address the following:
•Description of the library’s mission and commitment to open source 
solutions

•How attendance may benefit the applicant
•How the applicant intends to share the benefit of the experience 
with colleagues
•Description of funding constraints, budgetary limitations, or 
travel/hiring freezes pertinent to the applicant’s situation


APPLICATION ADDRESS: Please send resumes and essays to Grace Dunbar 
before December 31, 2011 by email attachment to c4lgr...@esilibrary.com


NOTIFICATION:   The successful applicants will be notified by January 5, 
2012.


Feel free to re-post this announcement and/or our press release 
(http://esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=2182)


Regards,

Galen
--
Galen Charlton
Director of Support and Implementation
Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
email:  g...@esilibrary.com
direct: +1 770-709-5581
cell:   +1 404-984-4366
skype:  gmcharlt
web:http://www.esilibrary.com/
Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org & 
http://evergreen-ils.org

Re: [CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[Simon Spero]

ABBYY Finereader can do this. http://www.abbyy.com

Also, typing the company name can teleport you to different parts of the
dungeon.

Simon

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Matt Amory  wrote:

> Just looking to preserve column structure.
>
> --
> Matt Amory
> (917) 771-4157
> matt.am...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[MJ Ray]

Bill Dueber 
> Because, really, you'll spend time futzing with linux, trying to get stuff
> to work, cursing the many clipboards and config files and losing
> productivity up the ying-yang because you're using a different (and, few
> would argue, degraded) user environment.

I don't see how anyone would argue with a straight face that a good GNU
or lovely Linux is an upgrade from the Windows 7 Starter bad joke...
but I know that's not the starting point here.

I humbly suggest that long futz times are only necessary these days
when most of the following combine:

 1. unsupported/hard-to-support hardware (maybe bought for compatibility
with another even-fussier operating system?);

 2. control-freakery ("it must work/look exactly THIS way RIGHT NOW
without me doing much");

 3. not good at asking for technical help online or being patient with
LUGs;

 4. not willing to find and/or pay local experts;

 5. not willing to search/read the copious fine manuals or debug logs.

But maybe my view is coloured by using the MacOS-like gnustep on
debian for aaages (so good package management more than makes up for a
bit of configuration... it's basically the same package management
system as ubuntu or mint use), so I can set up the basics fairly
quickly and I'm quite tolerant of X11/GTK apps like firefox being
common on my desktop.  I guess newcomers still have to get used to
basics like having 5 or more useful mouse buttons instead of 1...

Regards,
-- 
MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op.
http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[Jon Gorman]

> I'm looking for a way to pull 29 pages of pdf tables into excel so I can
> munge the data into an excel project and all my free trials so far have
> only converted a few pages at a time.


copy and paste?

If it needs to be somewhat automated

pdftotext -> some cut & paste / sed / regex -> open in excel?

You might need to fiddle with the pdftotext settings, but I've been
pretty successful with that before doing something else.

Jon G.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[MJ Ray]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Matt Amory  wrote:
> Just looking to preserve column structure.

I'd probably try something like ps2ascii and then sed it into a csv
which I understand that "excel" can load like libreoffice/openoffice can.

More webbily, maybe scraperwiki.com can help.

In general, it is rather like trying to rebuild a pig from sausages. :(

Good luck,
-- 
MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op.
http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[andrew]

On 14.12.2011 11:31, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm
not going to take it anymore.

I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
Any suggestions for distros and hardware?

thanks. b,chris.


INSTALL GENTOO

Re: [CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[Matt Amory]

I'm not sure what structure the pdf has internally, but some free/nagware
apps preserve the column structure.
I'm looking for a way to pull 29 pages of pdf tables into excel so I can
munge the data into an excel project and all my free trials so far have
only converted a few pages at a time.

thx


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Dave Caroline
wrote:

> Are you sure the pdf has any structure that can be used.
>
> Dave Caroline
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Matt Amory  wrote:
> > Just looking to preserve column structure.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Amory
> > (917) 771-4157
> > matt.am...@gmail.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239
>



-- 
Matt Amory
(917) 771-4157
matt.am...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Mark Diggory]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Devon  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Evil" doesn't really concern me.
> >
> > If I could run Ubuntu on a laptop made in the pits of hell by the dark
> lord himself, I would certainly do it.
> >
>
> Will this do?
> http://ubuntusatanic.org/screenshots.php.
>


OMG...ROTFL

Ok, the real ASUS link available for all, regardless of belief system.

http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Superior_Mobility/U53SD/

Mark

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Devon]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> "Evil" doesn't really concern me.
>
> If I could run Ubuntu on a laptop made in the pits of hell by the dark lord 
> himself, I would certainly do it.
>

Will this do?
http://ubuntusatanic.org/screenshots.php.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Michael Lindsey]

+1
Would love to get tight hardware integration without the social nail 
polish...


On 12/14/2011 11:45 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks!

"Evil" doesn't really concern me.

If I could run Ubuntu on a laptop made in the pits of hell by the dark lord 
himself, I would certainly do it.

Just as long as I never have to say the words "Genius Bar", I will be happy.


On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Birkin Diana wrote:


Possible bridges to whatever you decide to get:

- Use Ubuntu on VirtualBox on your Mac (yes, I did see the using 'linux in a 
non-server computer' concern -- thus the bridge qualification).

- Depending on the issues and languages you're using, use in-language 
package-managers. For example, we have a library of python repository code with 
three python-package dependences: fcrepo, lxml, and solrpy. Using 'pip' (a 
python package-manager), we've created a simple requirements file, so that, 
when I run, on my mac, a pip-install command for our repo_utils, it 
automatically web-downloads and installs those packages if necessary (even 
specific versions if desired). And this'll work the same on your Mac, VBox, and 
a possible eventual linux laptop.

-Birkin

---
Birkin James Diana
Programmer, Digital Technologies
Brown University Library
birkin_di...@brown.edu


On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:


Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be this list to 
ask.

Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when I've used a 
linux in a non-server computer, there are always some annoying problems... 
things like the laptop not waking from sleep mode, power consumption problems, 
or the microphone not working.

So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux 
distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A Dell or 
ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice?

But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper into my 
opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications vis-à-vis 
productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of the polar bear. If 
only out of concern that introducing this discussion might cause the poor mail 
server at ND to meltdown…..

b,chris.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Cecchino, Nicola]

I have ubuntu linux running as a dual boot on my Gateway Laptop.  It runs 
pretty nicely - I leave it run for days when I' m doing some Web testing and 
such.

Nic.

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark 
Diggory
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:41 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

If Apple is "evil", I'd look more towards hardware and its environmental 
manufacturing impact rather than software/OS/culture.

Everyone puts up a good face:

http://www.apple.com/environment/
http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/index.html

But recent news is a bit alarming...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/04/apple-chinese-pollution-concerns
http://valuestream2009.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/chinese-ngo-claims-apples-supply-chain-sustainability-is-rotten-to-the-core-will-consumers-agree/

Apparently it is difficult to capture statistics on the full supply chain. 
However, if your interested you can pickup the first "Carbon Neutral Footprint" 
laptop from ASUS

*http://tinyurl.com/d6lb76g*

Mark

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Erik Hetzner wrote:

> At Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:54:09 -0800,
> Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >
> > Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be 
> > this
> list to ask.
> >
> > Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when 
> > I've used a linux in a non-server computer, there are always some 
> > annoying problems... things like the laptop not waking from sleep 
> > mode, power consumption problems, or the microphone not working.
> >
> > So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux 
> > distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A 
> > Dell or ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice?
> >
> > But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper 
> > into my opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications 
> > vis-à-vis productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of 
> > the polar bear. If only out of concern that introducing this 
> > discussion might cause the poor mail server at ND to meltdown…..
>
> For what its worth, I run Ubuntu happily on my old (2007) macbook. The 
> only real tricky part is the lack of 2 pointer buttons. So you don’t 
> need to get rid of the mac to switch off OS X.
>
> That said, I would not buy a mac again, if only because Apple has gone 
> into full-bore evil mode.
>
> Finally, in my biased experience, a system running Ubuntu is now more 
> usable than a system running OS X. This is my experience, and I am not 
> going to argue about it. :) I imagine it works even better if you buy 
> a system that is certified or pre-installed. And if you are interested 
> in a netbook, although Ubuntu has discontinued the Ubuntu Netbook 
> Edition, I think the Unity interface is pretty slick on a small 
> netbook screen.
>
> best, Erik
>
> Sent from my free software system .
>
>


--
[image: @mire Inc.]
*Mark Diggory*
*2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, 
Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Chris Fitzpatrick]

Thanks! 

"Evil" doesn't really concern me. 

If I could run Ubuntu on a laptop made in the pits of hell by the dark lord 
himself, I would certainly do it. 

Just as long as I never have to say the words "Genius Bar", I will be happy. 


On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Birkin Diana wrote:

> Possible bridges to whatever you decide to get:
> 
> - Use Ubuntu on VirtualBox on your Mac (yes, I did see the using 'linux in a 
> non-server computer' concern -- thus the bridge qualification).
> 
> - Depending on the issues and languages you're using, use in-language 
> package-managers. For example, we have a library of python repository code 
> with three python-package dependences: fcrepo, lxml, and solrpy. Using 'pip' 
> (a python package-manager), we've created a simple requirements file, so 
> that, when I run, on my mac, a pip-install command for our repo_utils, it 
> automatically web-downloads and installs those packages if necessary (even 
> specific versions if desired). And this'll work the same on your Mac, VBox, 
> and a possible eventual linux laptop.
> 
> -Birkin
> 
> ---
> Birkin James Diana
> Programmer, Digital Technologies
> Brown University Library
> birkin_di...@brown.edu
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be this list 
>> to ask. 
>> 
>> Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when I've used 
>> a linux in a non-server computer, there are always some annoying problems... 
>> things like the laptop not waking from sleep mode, power consumption 
>> problems, or the microphone not working.  
>> 
>> So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux 
>> distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A Dell or 
>> ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice? 
>> 
>> But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper into my 
>> opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications vis-à-vis 
>> productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of the polar bear. 
>> If only out of concern that introducing this discussion might cause the poor 
>> mail server at ND to meltdown…..
>> 
>> b,chris. 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[LeVan,Ralph]

Thanks, Chad!

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Chad Benjamin Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:51 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Last Call for T-shirt voting

I tried to add these to the wiki, but I HATE WIKI SYNTAX!

So, I put them up here:
http://lenny1.gsu.edu:82/c4ltees/

However, this will not be around forever as it is a dev box.

If someone with access to the code4lib website wants to just steal the
html, please do

or if you want the really ugly  8 minute php, it's yours.

Chad
Chad Nelson
Web Services Programmer
University Library
Georgia State University

e: cnelso...@gsu.edu
t: 404 413 2771
My Calendar


From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Bohyun
Kim [k...@fiu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:27 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

I might be wrong but I think people just want the images to be displayed
somewhere where they can just see them - not necessarily voting and
seeing ballots there.

So posting images on a wiki page probably would suffice like in some
previous years.

~Bohyun



From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross
Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:22 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

Well, I'm going to just throw it out there and say that "image
gallery" is out of scope for the diebold-o-tron.

Editing the interface to allow non-logged in people to view ballots
isn't something I have the time or energy for (it would be much faster
for you to request a password change at:
http://code4lib.org/user/password).  In the past, we generally
aggregated the designs on the wiki, which seems like the best solution
for future access to all of the designs.

-Ross.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mike Taylor 
wrote:
> Yes, my feeling exactly.
>
> In fact, I WAS registered, once a upon a time, but it seems the system
> has forgotten my old username/password.  And I really don't want to
> re-register just to look at T-shirts.
>
> -- Mike.
>
>
>
> On 14 December 2011 17:10, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:
>> It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
Of
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting
>>
>> Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference
>> t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to
view
>> the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a
>> Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to
>> http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on
>> the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open
>> through Friday, December 16th.
>>
>> Thanks and happy voting!
>>
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Reed College
>> Portland, OR
>> beiri...@reed.edu
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Birkin Diana]

Possible bridges to whatever you decide to get:

- Use Ubuntu on VirtualBox on your Mac (yes, I did see the using 'linux in a 
non-server computer' concern -- thus the bridge qualification).

- Depending on the issues and languages you're using, use in-language 
package-managers. For example, we have a library of python repository code with 
three python-package dependences: fcrepo, lxml, and solrpy. Using 'pip' (a 
python package-manager), we've created a simple requirements file, so that, 
when I run, on my mac, a pip-install command for our repo_utils, it 
automatically web-downloads and installs those packages if necessary (even 
specific versions if desired). And this'll work the same on your Mac, VBox, and 
a possible eventual linux laptop.

-Birkin

---
Birkin James Diana
Programmer, Digital Technologies
Brown University Library
birkin_di...@brown.edu


On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be this list 
> to ask. 
> 
> Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when I've used a 
> linux in a non-server computer, there are always some annoying problems... 
> things like the laptop not waking from sleep mode, power consumption 
> problems, or the microphone not working.  
> 
> So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux 
> distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A Dell or 
> ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice? 
> 
> But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper into my 
> opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications vis-à-vis 
> productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of the polar bear. If 
> only out of concern that introducing this discussion might cause the poor 
> mail server at ND to meltdown…..
> 
> b,chris. 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Pottinger, Hardy J.]

Hi, Karen, my own experience with Drupal is, you need to keep it updated.
For anyone building with Drupal, I hear tell [1] the best practice these
days is to use DRUSH (Drupal Shell) to provision and deploy your site...
Keeps upgrades nice and smooth.

Also, my experience has been, for small projects, Wordpress makes a very
nice CMS, and is hugely popular as a CMS [2].

Two other alternatives for you to consider in the lightweight CMS category
are TextPattern [3] and SilverStripe [4]. But really, there are good
reasons Wordpress is winning this fight. See [2] for details.

[1] discerning readers will note the vagueness of this recommendation, it
comes secondhand from someone who maintains Drupal sites on something
other than RHEL5. Ubuntu Server, I believe. Long story short, DRUSH is
handy, if you can get it to run on your OS. http://www.drush.org/
[2] 
http://wp.smashingmagazine.com/2011/11/29/wordpress-cms-crown-drupal-joomla
[3] http://textpattern.com/
[4] http://www.silverstripe.org/

--
HARDY POTTINGER 
University of Missouri Library Systems
http://lso.umsystem.edu/~pottingerhj/
https://MOspace.umsystem.edu/
"Don't undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly
impossible." --Edwin Land


On 12/14/11 8:54 AM, "Karen Coyle"  wrote:

>Thanks, Dave and Mark -- this is exactly what I needed to hear. The
>"folks" are one of those extremely poor non-profits with almost no
>staff and zero technical skills. A consulting company is pushing them
>in this direction saying that Drupal is buggy and WordPress is ...
>well, I don't know. Dang! I hate being in the middle of this. I still
>think they'd be better off going with one of the "known" CMS packages.
>
>kc
>
>Quoting "Walker, David" :
>
>> Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?
>>
>> As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development
>> framework -- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes
>> it easier for programmers to build applications for the web.  The
>> key terms there being "programmers" and "build."
>>
>> That is a very different kind of thing from  Drupal or WordPress,
>> which are systems (that have already been built) to manage content
>> for a website.  You don't have to be a programmer to use either of
>> those.
>>
>> --Dave
>> -
>> David Walker
>> Library Web Services Manager
>> California State University
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of Mark Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?
>>
>> Karen,
>>
>> I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to
>> learn if you had done some PHP programming before and were familiar
>> with MVC architecture, well documented, and had a fairly rich
>> feature set. However, my impression is that it had a very small
>> plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or Wordpress. Before
>> recommending it, you should review the categories under
>> 'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can
>> identify any glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good
>> PHP MVC framework (not that I've compared a lot of them).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Jordan
>> Head of Library Systems
>> W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British
>> Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
>> Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50
>>mjor...@sfu.ca
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
>>> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
>>> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
>>> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs
>>> to be managed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> kc
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>>> skype: kcoylenet
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Karen Coyle
>kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>ph: 1-510-540-7596
>m: 1-510-435-8234
>skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[Dave Caroline]

Are you sure the pdf has any structure that can be used.

Dave Caroline

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Matt Amory  wrote:
> Just looking to preserve column structure.
>
> --
> Matt Amory
> (917) 771-4157
> matt.am...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[Chad Benjamin Nelson]

I tried to add these to the wiki, but I HATE WIKI SYNTAX!

So, I put them up here:
http://lenny1.gsu.edu:82/c4ltees/

However, this will not be around forever as it is a dev box.

If someone with access to the code4lib website wants to just steal the html, 
please do

or if you want the really ugly  8 minute php, it's yours.

Chad
Chad Nelson
Web Services Programmer
University Library
Georgia State University

e: cnelso...@gsu.edu
t: 404 413 2771
My Calendar


From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Bohyun Kim 
[k...@fiu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:27 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

I might be wrong but I think people just want the images to be displayed 
somewhere where they can just see them - not necessarily voting and seeing 
ballots there.

So posting images on a wiki page probably would suffice like in some previous 
years.

~Bohyun



From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross Singer 
[rossfsin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:22 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

Well, I'm going to just throw it out there and say that "image
gallery" is out of scope for the diebold-o-tron.

Editing the interface to allow non-logged in people to view ballots
isn't something I have the time or energy for (it would be much faster
for you to request a password change at:
http://code4lib.org/user/password).  In the past, we generally
aggregated the designs on the wiki, which seems like the best solution
for future access to all of the designs.

-Ross.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mike Taylor  wrote:
> Yes, my feeling exactly.
>
> In fact, I WAS registered, once a upon a time, but it seems the system
> has forgotten my old username/password.  And I really don't want to
> re-register just to look at T-shirts.
>
> -- Mike.
>
>
>
> On 14 December 2011 17:10, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:
>> It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting
>>
>> Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference
>> t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view
>> the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a
>> Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to
>> http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on
>> the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open
>> through Friday, December 16th.
>>
>> Thanks and happy voting!
>>
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Reed College
>> Portland, OR
>> beiri...@reed.edu
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Erik Hetzner]

At Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:54:09 -0800,
Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be this list 
> to ask. 
> 
> Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when
> I've used a linux in a non-server computer, there are always some
> annoying problems... things like the laptop not waking from sleep
> mode, power consumption problems, or the microphone not working.
> 
> So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux
> distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A
> Dell or ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice?
> 
> But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper
> into my opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications
> vis-à-vis productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of
> the polar bear. If only out of concern that introducing this
> discussion might cause the poor mail server at ND to meltdown…..

For what its worth, I run Ubuntu happily on my old (2007) macbook. The
only real tricky part is the lack of 2 pointer buttons. So you don’t
need to get rid of the mac to switch off OS X.

That said, I would not buy a mac again, if only because Apple has gone
into full-bore evil mode.

Finally, in my biased experience, a system running Ubuntu is now more
usable than a system running OS X. This is my experience, and I am not
going to argue about it. :) I imagine it works even better if you buy
a system that is certified or pre-installed. And if you are interested
in a netbook, although Ubuntu has discontinued the Ubuntu Netbook
Edition, I think the Unity interface is pretty slick on a small
netbook screen.

best, Erik
Sent from my free software system .


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[CODE4LIB] Any ideas for free pdf to excel conversion?

[Matt Amory]

Just looking to preserve column structure.

-- 
Matt Amory
(917) 771-4157
matt.am...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Roy Zimmer]

Check out the below companies. I have no experience with them, but were 
I in your shoes, I'd take a thorough look.


http://www.system76.com/
http://zareason.com/shop/home.php
http://www.emperorlinux.com/

Roy Zimmer
Western Michigan University


On 12/14/2011 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going 
to take it anymore.

I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
Any suggestions for distros and hardware?

thanks. b,chris.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Thomas Dowling]

On 12/14/2011 12:18 PM, Bill Dueber wrote:

> 
> The question you should ask yourself -- AND PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,
> LET'S NOT HASH IT OUT ON THIS LIST!!! -- is, "How much of my time spent
> futzing around with Linux instead of Getting Shit Done is
> voting-with-my-feet worth to me?"
> 


"Is Linux so nice as all that?" asked the Mole shyly.

"Nice?  It's the only thing," said the Water Rat solemnly.  "Believe me,
my young friend, there is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth
doing as simply futzing around with Linux.  Simply futzing," he went on
dreamily, "futzing -- about -- with -- Linux..."

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Chris Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everyone for all the recommendations. I know this would be this list to 
ask. 

Sounds like Ubuntu is the overwhelming favorite. In the past when I've used a 
linux in a non-server computer, there are always some annoying problems... 
things like the laptop not waking from sleep mode, power consumption problems, 
or the microphone not working.  

So, I wondering about specific laptop brands/models and linux 
distributions/versions that people have found to work really well. A Dell or 
ThinkPad with Ubuntu seems to be the popular choice? 

But, yeah, I know i started it, but I'm going to avoid going deeper into my 
opinions on Apple vs. Windows vs. Linux and the implications vis-à-vis 
productivity, copyright, social justice, and the plight of the polar bear. If 
only out of concern that introducing this discussion might cause the poor mail 
server at ND to meltdown…..

b,chris. 


 


On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Dave Caroline wrote:

> You just cannot do the technical futzing easily on mac or doze, I too
> am a Ubuntu user on my desktop and servers
> getting stuff done web wise is faster that way.I expect to run the
> apache,php,mysql and replicate systems that are servers
> windows and mac screw with stupid things like case in the file system!
> 
> Dave Caroline

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Tod Olson]

On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Ross Singer wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Mark A. Matienzo  wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
>>> How much futzing around is required on MacOS since it doesn't have a good
>>> package manager?
>> 
>> /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/gist/323731)"
> +1
> 
> HomeBrew keeps any futz factor to apt or yum levels.

++ homebrew

-Tod

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Ross Singer]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Mark A. Matienzo  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
>> How much futzing around is required on MacOS since it doesn't have a good
>> package manager?
>
> /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/gist/323731)"
+1

HomeBrew keeps any futz factor to apt or yum levels.

-Ross.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Mark A. Matienzo]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Ethan Gruber  wrote:
> How much futzing around is required on MacOS since it doesn't have a good
> package manager?

/usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/gist/323731)"

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Ross Singer]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dave Caroline
 wrote:
> You just cannot do the technical futzing easily on mac or doze, I too
> am a Ubuntu user on my desktop and servers
> getting stuff done web wise is faster that way.I expect to run the
> apache,php,mysql and replicate systems that are servers
> windows and mac screw with stupid things like case in the file system!

FWIW, both of my macs have case-sensitive filesystems, but, true, it
is not enabled by default.

-Ross.

[CODE4LIB] Kaltura and Institutional Repository connector

[Michael Christopher Stroming]

Hi all,

**Please excuse the cross-posting of this email**

Here at Northwestern University we are currently evaluating Kaltura's video 
streaming service.  There has been some discussion between some institutions 
and Kaltura regarding Kaltura building a connector to use with different 
institutional repositories (e.g. Fedora, DSpace, ContentDM).  I'm trying to 
compile a list of institutions that would be interested in using such a 
connector.

If you're interested, I'd greatly appreciate you replying to me 
(m-strom...@northwestern.edu) with your 
institution and which repository software you're using.

We need your responses very soon (if possible, before the holiday break) in 
order to bring this information to Kaltura in a timely manner.  Feel free to 
pass this email along to other lists.

Thanks very much,
Mike Stroming
Senior Software Developer, Enterprise Systems
Library Technology Division
Northwestern University Library
(847) 491-8345

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Ethan Gruber]

How much futzing around is required on MacOS since it doesn't have a good
package manager?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dave Caroline  wrote:

> You just cannot do the technical futzing easily on mac or doze, I too
> am a Ubuntu user on my desktop and servers
> getting stuff done web wise is faster that way.I expect to run the
> apache,php,mysql and replicate systems that are servers
> windows and mac screw with stupid things like case in the file system!
>
> Dave Caroline
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[Bohyun Kim]

I might be wrong but I think people just want the images to be displayed 
somewhere where they can just see them - not necessarily voting and seeing 
ballots there.

So posting images on a wiki page probably would suffice like in some previous 
years.

~Bohyun



From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross Singer 
[rossfsin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:22 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

Well, I'm going to just throw it out there and say that "image
gallery" is out of scope for the diebold-o-tron.

Editing the interface to allow non-logged in people to view ballots
isn't something I have the time or energy for (it would be much faster
for you to request a password change at:
http://code4lib.org/user/password).  In the past, we generally
aggregated the designs on the wiki, which seems like the best solution
for future access to all of the designs.

-Ross.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mike Taylor  wrote:
> Yes, my feeling exactly.
>
> In fact, I WAS registered, once a upon a time, but it seems the system
> has forgotten my old username/password.  And I really don't want to
> re-register just to look at T-shirts.
>
> -- Mike.
>
>
>
> On 14 December 2011 17:10, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:
>> It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting
>>
>> Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference
>> t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view
>> the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a
>> Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to
>> http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on
>> the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open
>> through Friday, December 16th.
>>
>> Thanks and happy voting!
>>
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Reed College
>> Portland, OR
>> beiri...@reed.edu
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[Ross Singer]

Well, I'm going to just throw it out there and say that "image
gallery" is out of scope for the diebold-o-tron.

Editing the interface to allow non-logged in people to view ballots
isn't something I have the time or energy for (it would be much faster
for you to request a password change at:
http://code4lib.org/user/password).  In the past, we generally
aggregated the designs on the wiki, which seems like the best solution
for future access to all of the designs.

-Ross.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Mike Taylor  wrote:
> Yes, my feeling exactly.
>
> In fact, I WAS registered, once a upon a time, but it seems the system
> has forgotten my old username/password.  And I really don't want to
> re-register just to look at T-shirts.
>
> -- Mike.
>
>
>
> On 14 December 2011 17:10, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:
>> It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting
>>
>> Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference
>> t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view
>> the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a
>> Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to
>> http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on
>> the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open
>> through Friday, December 16th.
>>
>> Thanks and happy voting!
>>
>> Angie Beiriger
>> Reed College
>> Portland, OR
>> beiri...@reed.edu
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Dave Caroline]

You just cannot do the technical futzing easily on mac or doze, I too
am a Ubuntu user on my desktop and servers
getting stuff done web wise is faster that way.I expect to run the
apache,php,mysql and replicate systems that are servers
windows and mac screw with stupid things like case in the file system!

Dave Caroline

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Bill Dueber]

Like any "mad as hell" moment, I'd advise you to take a few deep breaths
and wait a couple days before buying anything.

The question you should ask yourself -- AND PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,
LET'S NOT HASH IT OUT ON THIS LIST!!! -- is, "How much of my time spent
futzing around with Linux instead of Getting Shit Done is
voting-with-my-feet worth to me?"

Because, really, you'll spend time futzing with linux, trying to get stuff
to work, cursing the many clipboards and config files and losing
productivity up the ying-yang because you're using a different (and, few
would argue, degraded) user environment.

Linux has come leaps and bounds in the last five years, and Ubuntu does a
good job, but it's simply not the same experience as using OSX or Windows.
If you *want* to spend time futzing with linux, that's a different story.
But if you want to actually get stuff done, think long and hard before
going down this path. Your time isn't worth nothing.




On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not
> going to take it anymore.
>
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>
> thanks. b,chris.
>



-- 
Bill Dueber
Library Systems Programmer
University of Michigan Library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Yitzchak Schaffer]

On 12/14/2011 08:14, Karen Coyle wrote:

I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs to
be managed.



I built an app several years ago [1] in Kohana 2.3, which was a fork of 
CodeIgniter. Since then CI has become more of what made me opt for 
Kohana instead of CI to begin with: they dropped legacy support for PHP4 
(which they had been ideologically hanging onto) and became more OO.


I liked it. It was a lean full framework, featured without being a 
massive superpower like symfony. (FTR most of my work is in symfony.) 
It's easy to grok and extend core, and includes utility classes to help, 
for example, construct forms. syfmony2 and CI are both very flexible, 
but CI is much simpler, so miles easier to jump into.


That said, I don't think any framework (as one usually understands the 
term) will work well for a small library to build a "regular" content 
website - hosted WordPress sounds typical of a good match for these folks.


[1] https://github.com/yitznewton/emeraldview

--
Yitzchak Schaffer
Systems Manager
Touro College Libraries
212.742.8770 ext. 2432
http://www.tourolib.org/

Access Problems? Contact systems.libr...@touro.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[Mike Taylor]

Yes, my feeling exactly.

In fact, I WAS registered, once a upon a time, but it seems the system
has forgotten my old username/password.  And I really don't want to
re-register just to look at T-shirts.

-- Mike.



On 14 December 2011 17:10, LeVan,Ralph  wrote:
> It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(
>
> Ralph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Angie Beiriger
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting
>
> Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference
> t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view
> the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a
> Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to
> http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on
> the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open
> through Friday, December 16th.
>
> Thanks and happy voting!
>
> Angie Beiriger
> Reed College
> Portland, OR
> beiri...@reed.edu
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Nate Vack]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not 
> going to take it anymore.

What caused this moment?

If you're thinking "man, OS X is so dodgy" or "this is some crap
quality hardware" then a switch is probably not going to make you
happy. If you're thinking "good lord this is expensive gear" or "I
want to configure everything on the planet" then yeah, it might.

Linux is great. My experience with linux laptops is that there are
quite a number of 'mad as hell' moments to be had there, though.
Computers in general are great at generating those.

-n

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Walker, David]

It seems to me that WordPress would be good for the "simple and lightweight" 
part of their website.  It would allow them to easily create, delete, and 
update pages for the site.  Plus, if they have press releases or other types of 
newsy content, WordPress is a second to none for blogging.  But you could say 
much the same for any CMS, really. 

The real trick here, it seems, is what to do with this database they have.  

In order to "manage" that, you really do need to create some kind of 
specialized application.  Drupal, and some of the other CMS's, have tools for 
creating those kinds of applications.  But, depending on what this database 
actually consists of, in some respects, it can be easier just to build 
something from scratch.  And if the consultant is going to do that for this 
organization using CodeIgniter (or any other programming framework), then that 
certainly makes sense.

--Dave

-
David Walker
Library Web Services Manager
California State University


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen 
Coyle
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:54 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

Thanks, Dave and Mark -- this is exactly what I needed to hear. The "folks" are 
one of those extremely poor non-profits with almost no staff and zero technical 
skills. A consulting company is pushing them in this direction saying that 
Drupal is buggy and WordPress is ...  
well, I don't know. Dang! I hate being in the middle of this. I still think 
they'd be better off going with one of the "known" CMS packages.

kc

Quoting "Walker, David" :

> Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?
>
> As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development 
> framework -- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes it 
> easier for programmers to build applications for the web.  The key 
> terms there being "programmers" and "build."
>
> That is a very different kind of thing from  Drupal or WordPress, 
> which are systems (that have already been built) to manage content for 
> a website.  You don't have to be a programmer to use either of those.
>
> --Dave
> -
> David Walker
> Library Web Services Manager
> California State University
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf 
> Of Mark Jordan
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?
>
> Karen,
>
> I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to learn 
> if you had done some PHP programming before and were familiar with MVC 
> architecture, well documented, and had a fairly rich feature set. 
> However, my impression is that it had a very small plugin/module 
> ecosystem compared to Drupal or Wordpress. Before recommending it, you 
> should review the categories under 'Contributions' at 
> http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can identify any glaring 
> holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good PHP MVC framework (not 
> that I've compared a lot of them).
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Jordan
> Head of Library Systems
> W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British 
> Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
> Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 
> mjor...@sfu.ca
>
> - Original Message -
>> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and 
>> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or 
>> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? 
>> The site is small and light weight but it does have a database that 
>> needs to be managed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kc
>>
>> --
>> Karen Coyle
>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>> skype: kcoylenet
>



--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[LeVan,Ralph]

It's a shame you have to be registered even to see the shirts. :(

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Angie Beiriger
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Last Call for T-shirt voting

Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference 
t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view 
the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a 
Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to 
http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on 
the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open 
through Friday, December 16th.

Thanks and happy voting!

Angie Beiriger
Reed College
Portland, OR
beiri...@reed.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Mike Taylor]

I'll throw in another +1 for Ubuntu.  Among the mainstream
distributions, it's the one that makes the most effort to set things
in the Do What You Want way that Apple is so good at.

Regarding hardware: remember that ALL computer hardware these days is
insanely over-specced.  So buy last year's model at half the price of
this years, and smile happily at the knowledge that (A) you really
won't miss the other 0.3 GHz of processor speed; and (B) the standard
Ubuntu distribution will have mature drivers for all your hardware,
which may not be the case for a latest-and-greatest model.

In my experience, the things that make the biggest difference to the
quality of experience when using a laptop are (1) screen resolution --
not physical size; (2) memory, which you should be able to upgrade as
needed, and (3) the big surprise for me, quality of pointing device.
The trackpad on new MacBooks is excellent, but those on most other
machines are terrible, so try before you buy.  I also get on well will
ThinkPad nipples, but not everyone likes them.

Hope this helps,
-- Mike.



On 14 December 2011 17:00, Jon Stroop  wrote:
> I've run Ubuntu on Dell, Sony, and (presently) Alienware laptops, all
> without a problem. Ubuntu tries extra-hard to make sure that this is the
> case with wireless, Bluetooth, webcams, etc. so as far as distros go that
> might be your best option, but since it's all I've ever run my perspective
> lacks scope.
>
> I'd say back into it--spec a laptop you'd like, and then have a poke around
> the web and see if anyone is having problems, remembering that no news is
> probably good news in this case.
> -Jon
>
>
> On 12/14/2011 11:51 AM, Ellen Wilson wrote:
>>
>> I have an Acer laptop that I bought for $298 at Walmart, so it's hardly
>> top of the line. However, I installed Ubuntu on it with absolutely zero
>> problems.
>>
>> On the Windows side, it runs Portal, so I'm happy.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>> Ellen Knowlton Wilson
>> Instructional Services Librarian
>> Room 250, University Library
>> 5901 USA Drive North
>> University of South Alabama
>> Mobile, AL 36688
>> (251) 460-6045
>> ewil...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chris Fitzpatrick
>> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:32 am
>> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>>
>>
>>> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm
>>> not going to take it anymore.
>>>
>>>  I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
>>>  Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>>>
>>>  thanks. b,chris.
>>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Chris Gray]

On 2011-12-14 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going 
to take it anymore.

I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
Any suggestions for distros and hardware?

thanks. b,chris.
It's worth Googling a bit.  There are places that sell laptops with 
Linux pre-installed (which bypasses the Windows surtax on new PCs).  It 
was easy to find these but I can't vouch for any of them.


http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html - Linux Laptop Resellers

http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - Linux on Laptops

http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html - Linux Laptop - Fully 
Supported & Configured High Performance Linux Laptops and Netbooks | 
LinuxCertified


http://linuxpreloaded.com/ - Buy a Linux Computer

Chris Gray
Systems Analyst
519-888-3456, ext. 35764
cpg...@uwaterloo.ca
University of Waterloo

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Jon Stroop]

I've run Ubuntu on Dell, Sony, and (presently) Alienware laptops, all 
without a problem. Ubuntu tries extra-hard to make sure that this is the 
case with wireless, Bluetooth, webcams, etc. so as far as distros go 
that might be your best option, but since it's all I've ever run my 
perspective lacks scope.


I'd say back into it--spec a laptop you'd like, and then have a poke 
around the web and see if anyone is having problems, remembering that no 
news is probably good news in this case.

-Jon

On 12/14/2011 11:51 AM, Ellen Wilson wrote:

I have an Acer laptop that I bought for $298 at Walmart, so it's hardly top of 
the line. However, I installed Ubuntu on it with absolutely zero problems.

On the Windows side, it runs Portal, so I'm happy.

Ellen

Ellen Knowlton Wilson
Instructional Services Librarian
Room 250, University Library
5901 USA Drive North
University of South Alabama
Mobile, AL 36688
(251) 460-6045
ewil...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu

- Original Message -
From: Chris Fitzpatrick
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:32 am
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU



I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm
not going to take it anymore.

  I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
  Any suggestions for distros and hardware?

  thanks. b,chris.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Michael J. Giarlo]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:31, Chris Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not 
> going to take it anymore.
>
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>

I've been using Ubuntu since 2006 or so on all kinds of different
hardware, and I'm pretty pleased with it. Each release has been more
polished than the last, generally, but still, you should be
comfortable with a certain amount of tinkering, IMO.  Some of us do
this anyway, so it's easy to forget the time we spend tweaking and
futzing.

As for hardware, I've mostly had Ubuntu on Dell hardware at work. My
latest box at home is a Lenovo IdeaPad Y570.  My experiences with it
are similar to Chad's -- works just fine despite some video issues
under 11.04.

-Mike

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Devon]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not 
> going to take it anymore.
>
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>
> thanks. b,chris.

I've been using Arch Linux for quite a while. If you're already
comfortable with Linux, you may want to try it. But it's a little more
hands on than most distros.

I've been using one or another Asus laptop (currently UL50A) for many
years now, and have always been happy.

/dev

[CODE4LIB] Last Call for T-shirt voting

[Angie Beiriger]

Hey Code4Libbers, have you cast your vote for the 2012 Conference 
t-shirt design yet? Visit http://vote.code4lib.org/election/22 to view 
the designs and rank your favorites. You must be registered for a 
Code4Lib user account to vote. New users should go to 
http://code4lib.org/user/register to sign up for an account. Click on 
the designer's name to see their submissions. Voting will be open 
through Friday, December 16th.


Thanks and happy voting!

Angie Beiriger
Reed College
Portland, OR
beiri...@reed.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Thomas Dowling]

I replaced XP with Ubuntu four years ago and never looked back.  I have
now run it on pretty run-of-the-mill laptops from Toshiba, Dell, and HP
Ubuntu is neither perfect nor bulletproof, but I [almost] never feel it's
actively working against me, or being so user-obsequious that I can't
actually get to the work I want to do.


Thomas Dowling
tdowl...@ohiolink.edu

On 12/14/2011 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not 
> going to take it anymore. 
> 
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware? 
> 
> thanks. b,chris. 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Ellen Wilson]

I have an Acer laptop that I bought for $298 at Walmart, so it's hardly top of 
the line. However, I installed Ubuntu on it with absolutely zero problems.

On the Windows side, it runs Portal, so I'm happy.

Ellen

Ellen Knowlton Wilson
Instructional Services Librarian
Room 250, University Library
5901 USA Drive North
University of South Alabama
Mobile, AL 36688 
(251) 460-6045
ewil...@jaguar1.usouthal.edu

- Original Message -
From: Chris Fitzpatrick 
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:32 am
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU


> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm 
> not going to take it anymore. 
>  
>  I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
>  Any suggestions for distros and hardware? 
>  
>  thanks. b,chris. 
>  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Chad Benjamin Nelson]

After many kind of frustrating attempts, I got Ubuntu 11.10 Desktop (32 bit) 
running on my Lenovo Thinkpad T500 (Laptop). Biggest barrier was getting 
display working right because the laptop came with an Nvidia graphics card not 
supported by default. Even after installing the "not free" drivers, the 
graphics card still doesn't quite do everything it should.

I always found it much easier to run on a desktop PC, but maybe that was just 
cause my hardware was old and the support was already baked in.

Ubuntu has a list of "certified hardware" that play nicely, which helps if you 
are starting from scratch.
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/

Chad

Chad Nelson
Web Services Programmer
University Library
Georgia State University

e: cnelso...@gsu.edu
t: 404 413 2771
My Calendar


From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Chris 
Fitzpatrick [cf...@stanford.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:31 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going 
to take it anymore.

I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
Any suggestions for distros and hardware?

thanks. b,chris.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Ethan Gruber]

Depends on how much you want to pay.  You can buy any laptop at BestBuy,
Target, etc., format it when you bring it home, and put Linux on it.
Unfortunately a portion of the cost of the laptop goes to the Windows 7
license, but that's almost inescapable.  Even still, you can get a pretty
good laptop for $500.

I have been using Ubuntu since 2005.  It is overall probably the most
stable and beginner-friendly distribution.  I'm sure people on the list
will disagree, but Linux is much better than MacOS as a web application
development environment.

Ethan

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not
> going to take it anymore.
>
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>
> thanks. b,chris.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Randy Fischer]

If I was buying a laptop and it had to be non-apple, I'd probably get
a Lenovo ThinkPad W520.

-Randy


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not 
> going to take it anymore.
>
> I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
> Any suggestions for distros and hardware?
>
> thanks. b,chris.

[CODE4LIB] Linux Laptop

[Chris Fitzpatrick]

I just had a Howard Beale moment with Apple. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going 
to take it anymore. 

I'm curious what people can suggest for linux laptop?
Any suggestions for distros and hardware? 

thanks. b,chris. 

Re: [CODE4LIB] formatting citations question

[Jason Stirnaman]

Hi, Tim. BibApp uses Citeproc-rb to parse the citations stored in the database 
to various styles. 
You might also look at how BibApp handles batch citation imports from RIS, 
Medline, etc.  
https://github.com/BibApp/BibApp/tree/master/vendor/plugins
 
Jason 


Jason Stirnaman
Biomedical Librarian, Digital Projects
A.R. Dykes Library, University of Kansas Medical Center
jstirna...@kumc.edu
913-588-7319



>>> On 12/12/2011 at 03:23 PM, in message 
>>> , "Shearer, Timothy J" 
>>>  wrote:


Hi All,

We have a popular service:

http://www.lib.unc.edu/house/citationbuilder/

Essentially it provides citation "genre" (journal article, chapter,
monograph) based web forms and allows users to fill them in and then see a
citation formatted in various styles.

Regardless of how folks feel about that as a service, I'm interested in
exploring better ways to do it, and why reinvent the wheel?

I'm looking for perspectives on (or existing projects that use)
citeproc-js to process web form input (and potentially also to unpack and
style COinS).

Thanks for any advice or pointers.

Tim

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Mark Jordan]

Karen,

This might come up in your discussions with the consulting company, but 
EllisLab, the company that maintains CodeIgniter, sells a full CMS comparable 
to Drupal and Wordpress called ExpressionEngine (http://expressionengine.com), 
which is written in CodeIgniter (which is FOSS).

Mark

Mark Jordan
Head of Library Systems
W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50
mjor...@sfu.ca

- Original Message -
> Thanks, Dave and Mark -- this is exactly what I needed to hear. The
> "folks" are one of those extremely poor non-profits with almost no
> staff and zero technical skills. A consulting company is pushing them
> in this direction saying that Drupal is buggy and WordPress is ...
> well, I don't know. Dang! I hate being in the middle of this. I still
> think they'd be better off going with one of the "known" CMS packages.
> 
> kc
> 
> Quoting "Walker, David" :
> 
> > Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?
> >
> > As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development
> > framework -- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes
> > it easier for programmers to build applications for the web. The
> > key terms there being "programmers" and "build."
> >
> > That is a very different kind of thing from Drupal or WordPress,
> > which are systems (that have already been built) to manage content
> > for a website. You don't have to be a programmer to use either of
> > those.
> >
> > --Dave
> > -
> > David Walker
> > Library Web Services Manager
> > California State University
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf
> > Of Mark Jordan
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?
> >
> > Karen,
> >
> > I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to
> > learn if you had done some PHP programming before and were familiar
> > with MVC architecture, well documented, and had a fairly rich
> > feature set. However, my impression is that it had a very small
> > plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or Wordpress. Before
> > recommending it, you should review the categories under
> > 'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can
> > identify any glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good
> > PHP MVC framework (not that I've compared a lot of them).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark Jordan
> > Head of Library Systems
> > W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British
> > Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
> > Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50
> > mjor...@sfu.ca
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
> >> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
> >> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad?
> >> The
> >> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that
> >> needs
> >> to be managed.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> kc
> >>
> >> --
> >> Karen Coyle
> >> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> >> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >> skype: kcoylenet
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet

[CODE4LIB] XC Discovery Interface Demo Website

[Cook, Randall]

The eXtensible Catalog Organization is delighted to announce our live
demo website for the XC discovery interface. The open-source software
that drives this demo site (Drupal Toolkit version 6.x-1.1) is also
being made available. 

 

We have provided a webpage to assist you in finding the many unique
features of the eXtensible Catalog (XC) discovery interface demo.

 

Notable Features:

 

-  Faceted browsing with customizable facets

-  Live connection to the ILS for circulation status

-  FRBR/RDA-based metadata with library staff viewer

-  Custom interface builder tool for staff

To connect to the demo website and to learn more about the XC software,
follow this link:

 

http://www.extensiblecatalog.org/software/drupaltoolkit/demo 

 

 

Randall Cook, PMP

Co-Executive Director eXtensible Catalog Organization

585-273-2042

rc...@library.rochester.edu  

 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Software Developer position @ Penn State

[Michael J. Giarlo]

We'll be accepting applications for this position until the end of the
year, I should add.

Oh, also, this position *has* received tacit approval from OCLC and
Roy Tennant.

-Mike


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:55, Michael J. Giarlo
 wrote:
> Come hack on Ruby on Rails, jQuery, Hydra, Blacklight, Fedora, and
> Solr with our team:
>
>     http://j.mp/rudzTl
>
> The Libraries and Information Technology Services are working together
> to create institutional curation and publishing services. This
> position is part of a five-person software development team working on
> web applications and tools, in support of these services, to track
> bits, publish bits to the web, and care for the bits so that they
> remain hale and hearty. We <3 the bits; do you?
>
> Working at the University Park campus of Penn State has its perks:
> generous benefits, great public schools, affordable real estate,
> proximity to things natural, and neighborhoods lined with trees and
> views of the Alleghenies.
>
> -Mike

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Joe Hourcle]

On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:

> Thanks, Dave and Mark -- this is exactly what I needed to hear. The "folks" 
> are one of those extremely poor non-profits with almost no staff and zero 
> technical skills. A consulting company is pushing them in this direction 
> saying that Drupal is buggy and WordPress is ... well, I don't know. Dang! I 
> hate being in the middle of this. I still think they'd be better off going 
> with one of the "known" CMS packages.

If you want to do the 'subtle' thing -- 

Recommend that they look at the support communities for each project.  

The larger the community, the more likely things are going to be patched and 
fixed, even if there have been problems in the past.
The friendlier and more helpful the community, the less likely they're going to 
be at the mercy of the group selling them the product.

And yes, there have been problems with Drupal and WordPress -- and so for that 
reason, they're better off going with a hosted solution, so that the patches 
are done automatically for them, rather than their having to worry about every 
time a new exploit comes out.  (and I'm guessing they're not big enough to be 
concerned about people specifically trying to hack stuff in their domain for 
street cred like we have to around here, nor do they have security show up 
seize their machine and/or block them at the firewall when they suspect there's 
been an 'incident')

It might be that CodeIgniter lets them make more custom applications than a 
generic CMS ... but if they're just looking to get information out there, and 
this website isn't part of their competitive advantage over other similar 
groups, generic CMSes are fine.

-Joe



> Quoting "Walker, David" :
> 
>> Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?
>> 
>> As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development 
>> framework -- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes it 
>> easier for programmers to build applications for the web.  The key terms 
>> there being "programmers" and "build."
>> 
>> That is a very different kind of thing from  Drupal or WordPress, which are 
>> systems (that have already been built) to manage content for a website.  You 
>> don't have to be a programmer to use either of those.
>> 
>> --Dave
>> -
>> David Walker
>> Library Web Services Manager
>> California State University
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark 
>> Jordan
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?
>> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to learn if you 
>> had done some PHP programming before and were familiar with MVC 
>> architecture, well documented, and had a fairly rich feature set. However, 
>> my impression is that it had a very small plugin/module ecosystem compared 
>> to Drupal or Wordpress. Before recommending it, you should review the 
>> categories under 'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if 
>> you can identify any glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good 
>> PHP MVC framework (not that I've compared a lot of them).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Mark Jordan
>> Head of Library Systems
>> W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, 
>> V5A 1S6, Canada
>> Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 mjor...@sfu.ca
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
>>> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
>>> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
>>> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs
>>> to be managed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> kc
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>>> skype: kcoylenet
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Karen Coyle]

Thanks, Dave and Mark -- this is exactly what I needed to hear. The  
"folks" are one of those extremely poor non-profits with almost no  
staff and zero technical skills. A consulting company is pushing them  
in this direction saying that Drupal is buggy and WordPress is ...  
well, I don't know. Dang! I hate being in the middle of this. I still  
think they'd be better off going with one of the "known" CMS packages.


kc

Quoting "Walker, David" :


Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?

As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development  
framework -- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes  
it easier for programmers to build applications for the web.  The  
key terms there being "programmers" and "build."


That is a very different kind of thing from  Drupal or WordPress,  
which are systems (that have already been built) to manage content  
for a website.  You don't have to be a programmer to use either of  
those.


--Dave
-
David Walker
Library Web Services Manager
California State University


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf  
Of Mark Jordan

Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

Karen,

I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to  
learn if you had done some PHP programming before and were familiar  
with MVC architecture, well documented, and had a fairly rich  
feature set. However, my impression is that it had a very small  
plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or Wordpress. Before  
recommending it, you should review the categories under  
'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can  
identify any glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good  
PHP MVC framework (not that I've compared a lot of them).


Mark

Mark Jordan
Head of Library Systems
W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British  
Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada

Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 mjor...@sfu.ca

- Original Message -

I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs
to be managed.

Thanks,
kc

--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet






--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Eric J. Klooster]

Karen,

I don't have any direct experience with Codeigniter, but from what I
can glean from their documentation, comparing it to Drupal or
Wordpress may be a apples/oranges comparison.

Drupal and Wordpress are full content managment systems with core
support for user accounts, writing content, applying taxonomies, and
grouping content together. CI is a framework that you could use to
build your site, but have to code every page and form. It's a smaller
footprint for sure, but you're basically given the pieces and tools to
build something from scratch.

-Eric

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Mark Jordan  wrote:
> Karen,
>
> I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to learn if you 
> had done some PHP programming before and were familiar with MVC architecture, 
> well documented, and had a fairly rich feature set. However, my impression is 
> that it had a very small plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or 
> Wordpress. Before recommending it, you should review the categories under 
> 'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can identify any 
> glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good PHP MVC framework 
> (not that I've compared a lot of them).
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Jordan
> Head of Library Systems
> W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University
> Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
> Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50
> mjor...@sfu.ca
>
> - Original Message -
>> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
>> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
>> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
>> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs
>> to be managed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kc
>>
>> --
>> Karen Coyle
>> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>> skype: kcoylenet



-- 
Eric J. Klooster :: Software Engineer
ericklooster  gmail.com  :: http://rhymeswithtoaster.com/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Walker, David]

Are your 'folks' looking for a content management system, Karen?

As Mark just mentioned, CodeIgniter is a web application development framework 
-- that is, a set of reusable programming code that makes it easier for 
programmers to build applications for the web.  The key terms there being 
"programmers" and "build."

That is a very different kind of thing from  Drupal or WordPress, which are 
systems (that have already been built) to manage content for a website.  You 
don't have to be a programmer to use either of those.

--Dave
-
David Walker
Library Web Services Manager
California State University


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark 
Jordan
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:08 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

Karen,

I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to learn if you 
had done some PHP programming before and were familiar with MVC architecture, 
well documented, and had a fairly rich feature set. However, my impression is 
that it had a very small plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or 
Wordpress. Before recommending it, you should review the categories under 
'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can identify any 
glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good PHP MVC framework (not 
that I've compared a lot of them).

Mark

Mark Jordan
Head of Library Systems
W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 
1S6, Canada
Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 mjor...@sfu.ca

- Original Message -
> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and 
> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or 
> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The 
> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs 
> to be managed.
> 
> Thanks,
> kc
> 
> --
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Mark Jordan]

Karen,

I used CI for a project last summer, and thought it was easy to learn if you 
had done some PHP programming before and were familiar with MVC architecture, 
well documented, and had a fairly rich feature set. However, my impression is 
that it had a very small plugin/module ecosystem compared to Drupal or 
Wordpress. Before recommending it, you should review the categories under 
'Contributions' at http://codeigniter.com/wiki to see if you can identify any 
glaring holes. But, overall, I'd say it's a pretty good PHP MVC framework (not 
that I've compared a lot of them).

Mark

Mark Jordan
Head of Library Systems
W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada
Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50
mjor...@sfu.ca

- Original Message -
> I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and
> someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or
> Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The
> site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs
> to be managed.
> 
> Thanks,
> kc
> 
> --
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet

[CODE4LIB] Experience with codeIgniter?

[Karen Coyle]

I'm helping some folks find a new platform for their web site, and  
someone has suggested codeIgniter as being simpler than Drupal or  
Wordpress. Anyone here have anything to say about it, good or bad? The  
site is small and light weight but it does have a database that needs  
to be managed.


Thanks,
kc

--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet