Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Sigh. When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a break, folks. Just sayin' Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > David, > > Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet > in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong. > > As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first > half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different. If you want to > run a second draft of the survey, then please do. I'm sure the community > would welcome it. I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't > have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might > as well get use out of it. > > If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help, > Rosalyn > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander wrote: > >> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant >> members of the community. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz >> wrote: >> >>> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first >> draft. >>> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have >>> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make >>> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the >> rest. >>> >>> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? >>> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" wrote: >>> Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the community that may not be covered by the gender binary? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've >>> never > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the >> community' > means. > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. > > -Ross. > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: > >> Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the >> incoming link >> from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by >>> your >> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community >> member. >> >> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see >> their > role. >> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and >>> ask if >> the person did them. >> >> -Wilhelmina Randtke >> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer < >> rossfsin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the >>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following >> questions, you >>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: >>> >>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list >>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference >>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference >>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in >>> time >>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org >>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org >>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal >>> You follow planet.code4lib.org >>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel >>> >>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of >> forms, > don't >>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. >>> >>> -Ross. >>> >>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz > wrote: >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the >> survey >>> because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib >> were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- >> like oh >>> say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw >> it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the >>> community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a >>> blog. > And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And >> now >>> Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC >> chat > room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who >>> think > they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the >>> first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of >> those nos >>> to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
David, Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong. As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different. If you want to run a second draft of the survey, then please do. I'm sure the community would welcome it. I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might as well get use out of it. If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help, Rosalyn On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander wrote: > This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant > members of the community. > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz > wrote: > > > I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first > draft. > > As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have > > contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make > > the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the > rest. > > > > Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? > > On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" wrote: > > > > > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the > > > community that may not be covered by the gender binary? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've > > never > > > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the > community' > > > > means. > > > > > > > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. > > > > > > > > -Ross. > > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the > incoming > > > link > > > > > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by > > your > > > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > > > > > member. > > > > > > > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see > their > > > > role. > > > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and > > ask > > > if > > > > > the person did them. > > > > > > > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer < > rossfsin...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > > > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following > questions, > > > you > > > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > > > >> > > > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > > > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference > > > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > > > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in > > time > > > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org > > > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > > > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > > > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org > > > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > > > >> > > > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of > forms, > > > > don't > > > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Ross. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you > > > consider > > > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the > survey > > > > >> because > > > > >>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib > were > > > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- > like > > > oh > > > > >> say > > > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw > it). > > > > >>> > > > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > > > > >> community. > > > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a > > blog. > > > > And > > > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And > now > > > > >> Michael > > > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC > chat > > > > room. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who > > think > > > > they > > > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the > > first > > > > >>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of > those > > > nos > > > > >> to > > > > >>> yeses. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> :) > > > > >>> A former lurker > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz < > > r
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote: This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant members of the community. I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate the results already in. So gender variance needs to be in a new survey that has that in from the beginning. Anyone can set up a survey... hint, hint. kc On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft. As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest. Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" wrote: Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the community that may not be covered by the gender binary? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer wrote: I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' means. I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community member. Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if the person did them. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer wrote: To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz < rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant members of the community. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft. > As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have > contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make > the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest. > > Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? > On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" wrote: > > > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the > > community that may not be covered by the gender binary? > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer > > wrote: > > > > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've > never > > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' > > > means. > > > > > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. > > > > > > -Ross. > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke > > wrote: > > > > > > > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming > > link > > > > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by > your > > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > > > > member. > > > > > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their > > > role. > > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and > ask > > if > > > > the person did them. > > > > > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, > > you > > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > > >> > > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference > > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in > time > > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org > > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org > > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > > >> > > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, > > > don't > > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > > >> > > > >> -Ross. > > > >> > > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, > > > >>> > > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you > > consider > > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > > > >> because > > > >>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like > > oh > > > >> say > > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > > >>> > > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > > > >> community. > > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a > blog. > > > And > > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > > > >> Michael > > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat > > > room. > > > >>> > > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who > think > > > they > > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the > first > > > >>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those > > nos > > > >> to > > > >>> yeses. > > > >>> > > > >>> :) > > > >>> A former lurker > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz < > rosalynm...@gmail.com > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > Ok Folks, > > > > > > I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community > > and > > > >> see > > > what the gender breakdown is. > > > > > > Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > > > > > > It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the > > day > > > Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when > we're > > > all > > > back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they > mean. > > > >> Expect > > > a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > > > > > > Rosalyn > > > > > > P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > > > > > > >> > > > > > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft. As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest. Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" wrote: > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the > community that may not be covered by the gender binary? > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer > wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' > > means. > > > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. > > > > -Ross. > > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke > wrote: > > > > > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming > link > > > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > > > member. > > > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their > > role. > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask > if > > > the person did them. > > > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer > > wrote: > > > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, > you > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > >> > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > >> > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, > > don't > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > >> > > >> -Ross. > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, > > >>> > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you > consider > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > > >> because > > >>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like > oh > > >> say > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > >>> > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > > >> community. > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. > > And > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > > >> Michael > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat > > room. > > >>> > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think > > they > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > > >>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those > nos > > >> to > > >>> yeses. > > >>> > > >>> :) > > >>> A former lurker > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz > > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > Ok Folks, > > > > I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community > and > > >> see > > what the gender breakdown is. > > > > Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > > > > It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the > day > > Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're > > all > > back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. > > >> Expect > > a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > > > > Rosalyn > > > > P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > > > > >> > > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the community that may not be covered by the gender binary? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' > means. > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. > > -Ross. > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: > > > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link > > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > > member. > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their > role. > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if > > the person did them. > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer > wrote: > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > >> > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > >> > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, > don't > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > >> > >> -Ross. > >> > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz > wrote: > >> > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, > >>> > >>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > >> because > >>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh > >> say > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > >>> > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > >> community. > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. > And > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > >> Michael > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat > room. > >>> > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think > they > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > >>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos > >> to > >>> yeses. > >>> > >>> :) > >>> A former lurker > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz > >> wrote: > >>> > Ok Folks, > > I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and > >> see > what the gender breakdown is. > > Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > > It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day > Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're > all > back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. > >> Expect > a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > > Rosalyn > > P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > > >> >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' means. I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > member. > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if > the person did them. > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: >> >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal >> You follow planet.code4lib.org >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel >> >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, don't >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. >> >> -Ross. >> >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: >> >>> To our dear dear lurking friends, >>> >>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey >> because >>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh >> say >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). >>> >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the >> community. >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now >> Michael >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. >>> >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first >>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos >> to >>> yeses. >>> >>> :) >>> A former lurker >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz >> wrote: >>> Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and >> see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. >> Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters? >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
There are other interesting things that could be done with a survey... one could ask Ross & Warren's questions in addition to the simpler "in community"/"not in community". Do women attend events and/or lurk on the list, but also not view themselves as a member of the community, more than men do? Deciding how to change the dynamics could be helped by answers to questions like this. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: > Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link > from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community > member. > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if > the person did them. > > -Wilhelmina Randtke > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer > wrote: > > > To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > > community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you > > absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > > > You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > > You have attended a Code4Lib conference > > You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > > You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time > > You have a registered account on code4lib.org > > You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > > You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > > You follow planet.code4lib.org > > You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > > > What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, > don't > > feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > > > -Ross. > > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > > > > > To our dear dear lurking friends, > > > > > > We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider > > > yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > > because > > > I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > > > separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh > > say > > > my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > > > > > But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > > community. > > > I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. > And > > > then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > > Michael > > > Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat > room. > > > > > > So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think > they > > > are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > > > question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos > > to > > > yeses. > > > > > > :) > > > A former lurker > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ok Folks, > > >> > > >> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and > > see > > >> what the gender breakdown is. > > >> > > >> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > > >> > > >> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day > > >> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're > all > > >> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. > > Expect > > >> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > > >> > > >> Rosalyn > > >> > > >> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > > >> > > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community member. Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if the person did them. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you > absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > You have attended a Code4Lib conference > You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time > You have a registered account on code4lib.org > You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > You follow planet.code4lib.org > You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, don't > feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > -Ross. > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > > > To our dear dear lurking friends, > > > > We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider > > yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > because > > I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > > separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh > say > > my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > > > But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > community. > > I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And > > then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > Michael > > Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. > > > > So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they > > are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > > question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos > to > > yeses. > > > > :) > > A former lurker > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz > wrote: > > > >> Ok Folks, > >> > >> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and > see > >> what the gender breakdown is. > >> > >> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > >> > >> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day > >> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all > >> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. > Expect > >> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > >> > >> Rosalyn > >> > >> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > >> >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
I would add the following: You have attended a regional code4lib meetup (such as code4lib North) Cheers, Warren (who will now slink back into lurking mode) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the > community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you > absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: > > You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list > You have attended a Code4Lib conference > You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference > You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time > You have a registered account on code4lib.org > You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org > You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal > You follow planet.code4lib.org > You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel > > What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, don't > feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. > > -Ross. > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > > > To our dear dear lurking friends, > > > > We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider > > yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey > because > > I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > > separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh > say > > my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > > > But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the > community. > > I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And > > then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now > Michael > > Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. > > > > So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they > > are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > > question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos > to > > yeses. > > > > :) > > A former lurker > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz > wrote: > > > >> Ok Folks, > >> > >> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and > see > >> what the gender breakdown is. > >> > >> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > >> > >> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day > >> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all > >> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. > Expect > >> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > >> > >> Rosalyn > >> > >> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? > >> >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > To our dear dear lurking friends, > > We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider > yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey because > I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were > separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say > my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). > > But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. > I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And > then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael > Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. > > So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they > are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first > question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to > yeses. > > :) > A former lurker > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > >> Ok Folks, >> >> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see >> what the gender breakdown is. >> >> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG >> >> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day >> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all >> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect >> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). >> >> Rosalyn >> >> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > Ok Folks, > > I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see > what the gender breakdown is. > > Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG > > It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day > Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all > back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect > a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). > > Rosalyn > > P.S. can someone share on the twitters? >
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
