Re: GPRS / Wifi
Thanks for your reply. But I still not agree. which means of communications hould the fr chose? configuration will say it. the user ordered is preferences. Maybe depending on price. Maybe depending on performance. so it's not really automatic (and had nothing to do with the keyboard problem ;) ) : I choosed before. If I take a concrete example : my ~/.wgetrc. i wan't to connect to internet - from home, with wifi, I have direct access to internet. - from work, with wifi, I must use a proxy. - from outside, I must use GPRS with another proxy. It's easy to make a script that will update .wgetrc. But there will be configuration - in wpa_supplicant ( If I understood well). - in post-up operations of pppd. Those scripts are not specifics to users. Everyone will have do the same. Anyway, I'll try to do something for me and see if it can be shared. arne anka a écrit : you can do that in wpa_supplicant.conf. just add your different wifi-aps to the conf (it does wep and no enc, too) and let wpa_supplicant handle it. I'll take a look. But there must be something I don't understand. Because if wpa_supplicant handle only wifi, what about usb, gprs or other connections ? Is there a way to federate all network connections ? i am not sure if understand you issue at all. - you can handle all you known wifi networks in wpa_supplicant.conf. it's not the user firenliest solution, but anyway - usb networking is a rather static way (since ip and probably dns are more or less hardcoded on the fr) - gprs is subject to limitations beyound your reach -- ususally your provider puts you in some kind of vpn, not available from the inet by othe means then a proxy of your provider. - bt networking seem snot to be a widely used option so, imo the only means of networking subject to intelligent settings are wfi and gprs. wifi is, as said before, configurable in wpa_supplicant.conf (ar any othe way, like networkmanager). gprs does not need more than one setting since you usually use only the entry point your provider offers. all connections use their own devices: eth0 for wifi, bnetX for bt (i guess), ubs0 for usb and finally ppp0 (i think) for gprs. the scripts below /etc/network/if-up.d/ and /etc/network/if-down.d/ have acces to the name of the interface used for networking ($IFACE on my debian box) -- thus you can easily distinguish the means of networking and execute actions appropriately. something like internet [on|of] would be impractical imo not at least because you very easy might find yourself in situations where both wifi and gprs is available, you have tehterd you rf via usb to the notebook in an attempt to use the fr as modem and there might even be one or more people around you with enabled bluetooth. which means of communications hould the fr chose? while it might be decidable most of the time (have a rule basically saying: if one of the wifi networks a, b, c or d is available, use it), i'd rather have an app allowing me to check the means of communication i want and that does not automatically connect, in the worst case to gprs while i am out of area and causing heavy charges -- then we are basically where the discussion on the asu keyboard switcher took off: what good is automatism and who wants is? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner available in Vancouver
Hi, I'm willing to sell my Freerunner. While it's a great piece of hardware and the software is catching up, it looks like I don't have as much time as I originally thought. Someone else could probably contribute more than I can. The condition is like new. I only opened it for like two days and flashed different distributions to try out. I live in Vancouver, so preferably a transaction locally is better. Send me a private email if interested and we'll talk price. Cheers! Justin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:10:20 +0200 Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: DooD [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm figured out why my above fix was only working on my asu build and not my om2008.8 need to install http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/illume_0.0+svnr196-r12_armv4t.ipk this version seems to let me use whatever keyboard i like, which is how it should be. hope it doesnt magically disappear . . Would you care to elaborate on let me use whatever keyboard i like ? Maybe you may add a howto into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle ? Many thanks in advance. illume's code can use it's internal keyboard, do nothing at all (and just wait until some external keyboard is run - like qpe does) or run a keyboard process for you. it even will queue multiple keyboards if more than 1 was launched - but it works with a first-come-first-served policy there. the gui config is simple (chose none, internal default or some of N others). the gui will list any .desktop files it found that have Keyboard in the categories list for the .desktop. Thanks alot for these details. And glad some nice soul added details to : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard I call it an issue solved by the community while the support staff was on weekend break ;-) but of course this config dialog isn't really meant to be supported. not in ASU/2008.8 so it's more of a if you somehow find it and get it up - use at your own risk. :) You mean OM 2008.8 *is* supported ? ;-) ... sorry, couldn't help it. Well, more seriously : as it fixes a major usability defect of OM 2008.8, I'd expect it to be supported ! Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My summary from LinuxWorld
Hi, I forward my trip report from LinuxWorld here. :) Best Regards, Jeremy Chang - Forwarded message from Jeremy Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:18:59 +0800 From: Jeremy Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [gta02] My summary from LinuxWorld Dears: I will make my summary from LinuxWorld. I think this exhibit to openmoko is indeed worthy, many people getting impressed we made our device open, that's great both for Linux users and developers. Many people attracted to our booth and got understanding about what's openmoko, what's our business model, where we are based. Most of the time of the three days, I was at the Garage booth. We showed four different distribution images that are 2007.2, ASU, FSO, Qtopia. It's great here, lots of people coming, some are vendors, also exhibitors there. Half of the coming people are already heard about Openmoko, but not knowing very much or not ever hold the neo freerunner, seen the ASU, FSO, etc. Some got interested about openmoko project, our device and are gonna buy it. Still some people knowing Openmoko but are waiting us to make it better. From my perspective from LinuxWorld, many are looking forward to 3G or EDGE, some are waiting us to make it as stable as a daily phone. Some people question us when we gonna make it to mass market, also want to know what will be our next device. It's also great to meet Michael, Steve, Pat and some local volunteers from our community, like Jeffrey, Brian,Chris, Ken, Lothar, Lohai, etc. I worked well with them and thanks for their great help. I got more excited and confident about we can enlarge our community more, and Indeed so many people got interested. To me, it's also a great opportuniy to meet los of people, getting knowing each other from other booths, companies. Cheers, Jeremy Chang ___ gta02 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.internal.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta02 - End forwarded message - signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. discuss. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles Pax *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2008 12:24 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release Will this be shipping with the next batch of Freerunners? -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIn+hnSIAU/I6SkT0RAncMAKCBi0LLq8D+Dw/8DkP/aEhdAlmbZQCfclHz GWje2yvrJS9EXdC4dUpnH0w= =Ee/g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel and Dual booting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Mikael Berthe wrote: | | Or is there a way to prevent opkg from flashing the kernel? It would be | nice to upgrade /uImage.bin instead! | | I don't know of a way to do this at the moment, but it would be a nice | enhancement. Perhaps the flashing script could check to see which device | was mounted as the root filesystem, and only proceed with the flashing | if it was a NAND partition (/dev/mtdblock?). We started discussing this on devel list, I learned from Graeme that he always stores the updated kernel in /boot/uImage.bin (and currently blows the kernel partition too). If you symlink /uImage.bin to point to /boot/uImage.bin maybe it will square that part of the circle. He did say he prefers the packaging to only affect one filesystem, so if we do not blow the kernel partition at all if / is *mmcblk* then it will be consistent. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkif7RsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqwbQCeM5cmC9JatCKxk0ndW3N473l7 rP8AnR5FLJQ/sdD/hs0Vlp8jB2vs2Z77 =nB3P -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Charger on usb kaput on 2008.8?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | like later than 08/08/08? | | Yeah. Icon issue should be fixed with today's kernel. | | Is there a directory with the correct kernel and modules for 2008.8 ? You can find packages here... http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/ ...but really, it should be easier to get the device to go out and get latest packages (however one does that) and you shouldn't need to know this URL. | Where is the correct uboot located ? Mike Montour found it here (you want v5 one) http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080809/ but they aren't in 20080811 dir, bit confusing. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkif79kACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoBhwCgjwjA7nrZJh2pYilolp83iQSk uioAn19RYUaO8PIM74EUSjIhLCccqYei =XW5e -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om 2008.8 Multiverse repository bug
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 03:25:53PM -0700, abatrour wrote: I noticed while editing a part on the wiki that the url for the multiverse repository (/etc/opkg/Multiverse-feed.conf) for Om 2008.8 was wrong. src/gz daily-Multiverse http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/multiverse The problem was the M in Multiverse. It should be uppercase. Hi Abatrour, could you please tell me which page has the worng URL ? Thank you :-) -Ju1ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution
Will report in case of success. Great! It'd be pretty nice if we could come up with an installable app that will just do the Copy from Flash to SD and re-configure to boot from SD process for an end user. I'd find it quite useful - as a matter of fact I prefer to have my entire system on SD rather than flash, since I intend to load it to the gills with all possible applications I can find! :) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) Ship with *all* available distributions on the *SD Card*, and include a script that lets you copy your desired distribution to flash once you've checked them all out .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ship with nothing and everyone put what want So nobody can say it is not a complete software :) Ship with *all* available distributions on the *SD Card*, and include a script that lets you copy your desired distribution to flash once you've checked them all out .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
GREAT JOB!!! very well done... keep up the great work Paul!! +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
steve wrote: Good question. Here are the options. 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone. 2. Ship with Qtopia. A solid full featured smart phone. 3. Ship with OM2008.8 An alpha release of our future phone. 4. Ship bare metal and let the users choose. Why not embrace choice? -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om 2008.8 on Golem
Hi Folks, i found a review of the Om 2008.8 on Golem. It is only in German. http://www.golem.de/0808/61637.html So have fun with it ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both images as well. This is now fixed in the latest qtopia image 080808 (haven't tried the 2008.8 openmoko image yet). This is looking very promising as a day to day phone! Cheers, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
If I take a concrete example : my ~/.wgetrc. i wan't to connect to internet - from home, with wifi, I have direct access to internet. - from work, with wifi, I must use a proxy. - from outside, I must use GPRS with another proxy. It's easy to make a script that will update .wgetrc. why would you do that? every attempt to connect to the net is directed to the currently defined gateway -- no matter if there's wifi or gprs in use. all programs connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of connection you use. for the proxy: as someone mentioned before -- there is a global variable defining the proxy and this variable is checked for automatically. in your up-/down-scripts you simply can set/unset the proxy variablke depending of the interface used. none of your apps, be it wget or a browser, should care for that kind of information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner
I gave it a try, too! I have a t-mobile flat rate which I use from my laptop. I just copied the file to the freerunner altered /etc/group as you supposed. My files look like this: /etc/ppp/peers/t-mobile --- user tm connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile /dev/ttySAC0 persist modem noipdefault usepeerdns defaultroute ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote lock crtscts /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile - ABORT 'BUSY' ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT 'ERROR' '' AT OK AT+CGATT=1 OK AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,internet.t-mobile OK ATDT*99***1# /etc/ppp/pap-secrets # Secrets for authentication using PAP # clientserver secret IP addresses * * * tm* tm* That's all. I connected it yesterday and it worked. I used tangogps along with it and it downloaded the tiles automatically without having a usb cable connected. This is great! Gprs indeed feels slow and sluggish. The user tm in my files is arbitrarily chosen. It is said it's just better to connect with supplying a user and password. Norbert 08-09 at 14:51 -0700, Nathan Kinkade wrote: I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8 release of Om2008.8. I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so sorry if this email is pretty confused and long. I need to say up front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile. I just went to a T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid plan. The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I had. I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using it ... I don't know. He just wrote on my receipt wap.voicestream.com. I should also note that I didn't have to modify /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown /dev/ttySAC0, or even do stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts. However, in relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add the users uucp and ppp to the group dialout, which by default has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0. It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and configure a number of TCP/IP settings. Only DNS name resolution seems to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan, or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or what proxy may need to be used. Any input, or suggestions would be great. What I've done required very little modification from this wiki article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS. The only files I edited or created were the ones you see below. Get ready for a cut-n-paste fest: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile lock /dev/ttySAC0 115200 crtscts connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect hide-password usepeerdns ipcp-accept-local noauth noipdefault novj novjccomp defaultroute replacedefaultroute # Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while. persist holdoff 15 # Check the line every 20 seconds and presume # the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times. lcp-echo-interval 20 lcp-echo-failure 4 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect #!/bin/sh -e exec chat -v -S -s\ TIMEOUT 15\ \K\K\K\d+++ATH\ OK-AT-OK ATZ\ OK ATE1\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT NO ANSWER\ ABORT NO DIALTONE\ ABORT VOICE\ ABORT ERROR\ ABORT RINGING\ TIMEOUT 60\ OK AT+CFUN=1\ OK AT+COPS\ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,\IP\,\wap.voicestream.com\\ OK ATD*99***1# CONNECT /n/d - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect #!/bin/sh -e /usr/sbin/chat -v\ ABORT OK\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT NO ANSWER\ ABORT NO CARRIER\ ABORT NO DIALTONE\ ABORT VOICE\ ABORT ERROR\ ABORT RINGING\ TIMEOUT 12\ \K\K\K\d+++ATH\ NO CARRIER-AT-OK \c - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/pap-secrets # Secrets for authentication using PAP # client server secret IP addresses * * * - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pon tmobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# logread -f Aug 9 21:40:52 om-gta02 daemon.notice pppd[1521]: pppd 2.4.3 started
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
Hi, I read the post about the new review for the freeunner on golem. While reading I wondered what screenshots they used in a text announcing the new firmware. A few moments later I followed the link to the wiki page for Om2008.8. I think the screenshots on the page should show what you get after installing the new firmware. The second one is just counter productive. With a fresh install you get not only fewer icons, all icons are assigned different applications. That maximizes confusion for new users. Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
No pin dialog/ qpe
What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working with the new firmware but delayed through qpe. Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for media on the SD card. In /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf there is a section where qpe is configured for the media it should search. For the SD card every media type is activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for me: - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome I would be against it - furthermore the SD card is configured as being removable forcing the qpe to do the search every time being activated. Removable can be interpret as two things. The card is removable at runtime or it is removable at all. In the second case this would be true for hard disks as well :) If this is meant as something sensible at runtime this is a misinterpretation. You have to shut down the freeunner to remove the card so it is not really removable Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Initrd partition for fix kernel and modules possible incompatibilities by upgrade
I've been thinking about this since some time and I'd like to know why don't you make one more partition with initrd which would have some needed modules and basic scripts for proper complete OpenMoko boot (for example: g_ether etc. - I don't know which modules are used in boot process - my FR didn't arrive yet). In this way with flashing kernel it will need to flash the initrd, too, but wont make problems when kernel modules are not upgraded on rootfs. Something simmilar is already used by other Linux distributions for not need to compile many modules as built-in in kernel. This initrd partition would be overmounted with rootfs by these basic scripts in boot process. This way it would not need to flash rootfs (and loose data there) in case of any upgrade problems. Please correct me if I'm wrong - it's just basic theoretical thinking - I didn't have FR in my hands yet nor I looked at the OpenMoko filesystem. With Regards, Tomasz Czapiewski ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
Norbert Hartl wrote: What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working with the new firmware but delayed through qpe. Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for media on the SD card. In /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf That is one possible thing it is doing at startup. The idea is that it is a phone, and you only startup in rare instances. there is a section where qpe is configured for the media it should search. For the SD card every media type is activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for me: - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome I would be against it If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to see/use files on it, so then why have it at all? - furthermore the SD card is configured as being removable forcing the qpe to do the search every time being activated. Removable can be interpret as two things. The card is removable at runtime or it is removable at all. In the second case this would be true for hard disks as well :) If this is meant as something sensible at runtime this is a misinterpretation. You have to shut down the freeunner to remove the card so it is not really removable But it _IS_ removable, losable and optional. The flash chip is not. As well, you might have added files to it while you had it out. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo
Hi,
I was bored and just wrote a little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo:
http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/391300/ .
For the zenity-gui you need of course zenity and a bash-shell. To make the
progress-bar work you need to patch dfu-util:
$ diff dfu-util/src/sam7dfu-old.c dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c
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printf(Starting download:\n);
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printf(Starting download: [);
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printf(#\n);
---
putchar('#');
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printf(finished!\n);
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printf(] finished!\n);
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Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
Thanks Norbert very much for finally finding the real problem with the pin dialog not appearing! Removing this makes the pin-dialog appear for me with !!every boot!! now ca. 15-20 sec after x started. Before this patch the pin-dialog just appeared 1 out of 40 boots! This is a big improvment. So if this is really needed to do by qpe, this process should be forked away from qpe in order to not block other things and it should be given a low priority with nice not to consume so much cpu and blocking other processes with this. # diff /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bak /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf --- /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bak Mon Aug 11 11:19:26 2008 +++ /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf Mon Aug 11 11:20:02 2008 @@ -2,19 +2,8 @@ File=QtopiaDefaults Context=Storage -[MountTable] -MountPoints=MountPoint0 - [HOME] Name[] = HOME Documents = 1 Applications = 0 ContentDatabase=1 - -[MountPoint0] -Name[] = SD Card -Path=/dev/mmcblk0p1 -Removable = 1 -Applications = 1 -Documents = 1 -ContentDatabase = 1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Initrd partition for fix kernel and modules possible incompatibilities by upgrade
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I've been thinking about this since some time and I'd like to know why | don't you make one more partition with initrd which would have some | needed modules and basic scripts for proper complete OpenMoko boot (for | example: g_ether etc. - I don't know which modules are used in boot | process - my FR didn't arrive yet). | In this way with flashing kernel it will need to flash the initrd, too, | but wont make problems when kernel modules are not upgraded on rootfs. | Something simmilar is already used by other Linux distributions for not | need to compile many modules as built-in in kernel. | This initrd partition would be overmounted with rootfs by these basic | scripts in boot process. | This way it would not need to flash rootfs (and loose data there) in case | of any upgrade problems. | | Please correct me if I'm wrong - it's just basic theoretical thinking - I | didn't have FR in my hands yet nor I looked at the OpenMoko filesystem. I have another way to come at this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_backup_kernel - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkigHKsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqykgCgh2hrjqiscFCigmtoWU6n2H/y LEUAn3d6to0C/2KiYhuLs2fI7kX+H89X =r/FS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to see/use files on it, so then why have it at all? wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the card and it's content are unchanged, thus preventing unnecessary searching? i do not use qtopia, so if it's already done that way, ignore me ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is it?
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 07:08:15PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Sonntag 10 August 2008 17:46:22 schrieb Scott: I used the spiffy new installer to install xterm. The install went without any errors. Where is it? Its not on the main page? Its listed in the uninstall list of the installer? Sounds like the package is missing a proper .desktop file. Yes The source didn't provide the .desktop file. I will fix it as soon as possible. -Ju1ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:01 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Norbert Hartl wrote: What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working with the new firmware but delayed through qpe. Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for media on the SD card. In /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf That is one possible thing it is doing at startup. The idea is that it is a phone, and you only startup in rare instances. If we take a stable phone than you are right. But at the moment people need to start often and that leads to a situation where these settings confuse a lot of people. It is even there if you start your phone the first time. To raise user experience this search should be delayed and it should be assured that this search is happening on a very low priority so it does not block anything. There could be even an indicator that is visually announcing the search. But let us be realistic :) there is a section where qpe is configured for the media it should search. For the SD card every media type is activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for me: - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome I would be against it If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to see/use files on it, so then why have it at all? Because there is always something in between black and white. There could be some intelligent way to detect when it is necessary to refresh. And users are quite used to know that software is stupid and they praise the existence of a manual trigger for such actions. - furthermore the SD card is configured as being removable forcing the qpe to do the search every time being activated. Removable can be interpret as two things. The card is removable at runtime or it is removable at all. In the second case this would be true for hard disks as well :) If this is meant as something sensible at runtime this is a misinterpretation. You have to shut down the freeunner to remove the card so it is not really removable But it _IS_ removable, losable and optional. The flash chip is not. As well, you might have added files to it while you had it out. see above. Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
Thanks! But your proposal is a bit harsh for me :) You just need to put 0 to the config items in section SD Card. That solves it as well. Norbert On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 13:35 +0200, Rorschach wrote: Thanks Norbert very much for finally finding the real problem with the pin dialog not appearing! Removing this makes the pin-dialog appear for me with !!every boot!! now ca. 15-20 sec after x started. Before this patch the pin-dialog just appeared 1 out of 40 boots! This is a big improvment. So if this is really needed to do by qpe, this process should be forked away from qpe in order to not block other things and it should be given a low priority with nice not to consume so much cpu and blocking other processes with this. # diff /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bak /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf --- /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bakMon Aug 11 11:19:26 2008 +++ /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.confMon Aug 11 11:20:02 2008 @@ -2,19 +2,8 @@ File=QtopiaDefaults Context=Storage -[MountTable] -MountPoints=MountPoint0 - [HOME] Name[] = HOME Documents = 1 Applications = 0 ContentDatabase=1 - -[MountPoint0] -Name[] = SD Card -Path=/dev/mmcblk0p1 -Removable = 1 -Applications = 1 -Documents = 1 -ContentDatabase = 1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 13:41 +0200, arne anka wrote: If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to see/use files on it, so then why have it at all? wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the card and it's content are unchanged, thus preventing unnecessary searching? i do not use qtopia, so if it's already done that way, ignore me ... The flag you mean could be the modification date of the filesystem. Placing an extra flag does not help. A copy of mp3 files with an other program does not honor your flag but the filesystem stamps do. A registry of media cards and modification dates could solve this. If there is an id on the filesystem (like the uuid from an ext3) use this. Otherwise the freerunner could create one and write it on the media. If the freerunner then would check the id and the timestamp asking the user to do some actions on change that would be heaven :) my 2 cents Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard
Am Samstag, den 09.08.2008, 09:12 -0700 schrieb Charles-Henri Gros: How can I activate the keyboard? Or how can I automate the appearance at selection of an enter field? Depending on what distribution you're running, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_add_a_keyboard_toggle_button I did the second method successfully, but now I don't have the other icons (wifi, BT, battery, etc.) in the upper line. Is that right? -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Feed updates
Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed? Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard
I did the second method successfully, but now I don't have the other icons (wifi, BT, battery, etc.) in the upper line. did you restart X or reboot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
for the proxy: as someone mentioned before -- there is a global variable defining the proxy . Does this mean that I have to re-start my applications when I connect ? Not optimal ... Anyway do you know who put this variable ? And where to configure it's value ? Mike arne anka a écrit : If I take a concrete example : my ~/.wgetrc. i wan't to connect to internet - from home, with wifi, I have direct access to internet. - from work, with wifi, I must use a proxy. - from outside, I must use GPRS with another proxy. It's easy to make a script that will update .wgetrc. why would you do that? every attempt to connect to the net is directed to the currently defined gateway -- no matter if there's wifi or gprs in use. all programs connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of connection you use. for the proxy: as someone mentioned before -- there is a global variable defining the proxy and this variable is checked for automatically. in your up-/down-scripts you simply can set/unset the proxy variablke depending of the interface used. none of your apps, be it wget or a browser, should care for that kind of information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard
I tried to restart the X but that failed with an unreadable repeating error message. Afterwards I had to reboot. Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 14:17 +0200 schrieb arne anka: I did the second method successfully, but now I don't have the other icons (wifi, BT, battery, etc.) in the upper line. did you restart X or reboot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using openocd
Lynn Nguyen wrote: I believe so. I used the openocd.cfg that is given on the wiki. I've even followed the steps here: http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/notes/openocd which seem to be legit. The step I get stuck on is running openocd. I think maybe there is something wrong with the libftdi phase? I'm not sure why I think that though. I just think that because I'm installing that by hand as opposed to sudo apt-getting it. Is there a way to check that openocd will use libftdi? Hi Lynn Nguyen: i use sudo modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 to make sure openocd use libftdi so i can use something like /dev/ttyUSB0 serial console in the debug board my system is UBUNTU, hope this help. Lynn On 8/10/08, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lynn- Hi all, I was wondering, has anyone had any luck connecting their debug board (v3) to a neo1973? I followed all the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 (for linux) but I keep getting 'no valid jtag interface found'. But that doesn't make any sense because I can see the debug board from my laptop when i do 'lsusb'. Any ideas? Thanks! Lynn Does your openocd using correct setting file? v3 board could connect to neo1973, because it basically compatible old boards. -- Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel and Dual booting
To prevent opkg from upgrading the kernel try: opkg flag hold kernel-2.6.24 opkg flag hold kernel-image-2.6.24 Altho i think you only need to block the kernel-image-2.6.24 After getting a neo1973 kernel and a bad kernel that wouldnt boot from opkg, i do all my kernel upgrades with the dfu-util. Mikael Berthe wrote: * Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-10 18:16 +0200]: Now I need to test if I can boot it on the SD. If it succeeds, I will then be able to flash OM 2008.8, and have switched between flash and SD. Dual booting is cool ;) Yes it is :) (Actually I'm running 2007 from flash and 2008.8 from SD, unlike you...) Yet I'm wondering if it isn't dangerous to do an opkg upgrade from the SD. Wouldn't that update the FR's kernel? If it does, then it could break booting from flash as the modules won't match anymore. Or is there a way to prevent opkg from flashing the kernel? It would be nice to upgrade /uImage.bin instead! -- MiKael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Moving-my-2007.2-to-SD-to-try-2008.8-with-fallback-solution-tp682485p685836.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?
And glad some nice soul added details to : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard Nice but after a reboot the fullqwerty has again disappeared and I have just the old keyboard back. I even lost the Full-QWERTY.kbd file?? It isn't there anymore. Where can I download this file again? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?
I could reboot and still have the full querty... On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Rorschach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And glad some nice soul added details to : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard#Using_the_Full_Qwerty_keyboard Nice but after a reboot the fullqwerty has again disappeared and I have just the old keyboard back. I even lost the Full-QWERTY.kbd file?? It isn't there anymore. Where can I download this file again? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? - SOLVED ?
huh: after a second reboot the full-qwerty was back again?? this is confusing.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
i don't think so -- checking the proxy variable should be transparent to the apps and done by which layer is responsible for managing th connection. indeed, if the variable is only in environnement, you must restart. Also, I'm still not sure that there is a variable. Who can set it ? Only pam is able to do it. In anyway, I'll try to make something. I'd be happy if it's useful. If not, I will be it's only user ... thanks. arne anka a écrit : for the proxy: as someone mentioned before -- there is a global variable defining the proxy . Does this mean that I have to re-start my applications when I connect ? Not optimal ... i don't think so -- checking the proxy variable should be transparent to the apps and done by which layer is responsible for managing th connection. Anyway do you know who put this variable ? And where to configure it's value ? someone in this thread said it is called $http_proxy and you can set it in one of your if-up.d/ scripts in a way like if [ $IFACE -eq ppp0 ] ; then export $http_proxy=yourproxyforgprs fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing? Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the card and it's content are unchanged inotify -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the card and it's content are unchanged inotify does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:00 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? What if you've got some processes running of that SD card? You'll need to kill them before unmounting the card. And then, your suspendresume will look more and more like shutdownrestart. -- OIivier M. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
What if you've got some processes running of that SD card? You'll need to kill them before unmounting the card. we're speaking of a workaround, do we? And then, your suspendresume will look more and more like shutdownrestart. why, atm it looks more like shutdown reinstall ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
Pritam, Ghanghas (IE10) wrote: Hi All I had put this wish list once but no one considered that I guess. Is it that stupid? At least give your review guys. OMAP3530 http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html I see lot of benefits from this shift Camera interface Two USB one of them OTG On chip 2D/3D accelerator -- I didn't get much info about glamo 3362 still TI looks better Host of other goodies that you can look in the page And I don't see drivers to be a very big problem, seems like we will get another community working simultaneously http://beagleboard.org/ and TI is in mood of cooperating in this venture. nice chip.. basically.. but see this thread: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=42144 and try to find any specs or documentation about the included powerVR SGX530... have fun... its closed. thus also pandora will probably not have open drivers. search for statements about that. i haven't found anything that states about how open that machine will be at all. in short: the whole 2d/3d accel in that chip would currently be useless for us. openmoko took opensource serious till now, pushing boundaries further where we could. we want debuggable architectures. means no binary drivers on the app cpu for anything for sure. not in userspace, and for sure not in the kernel. this was nagging many people on gta01 with gps before we got rid of that with gta02. hopefully we will never make that error again. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:00 PM, arne anka wrote: It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? It's not that easy. But IIRC somebody on OLPC tracker stated that this problem no longer occurs in 2.4.26. We'll see when Andy switch us to 2.4.26 ;) BR, Pawel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
I suggest more discreet gestures, like was the shaking one. I understand it is harder to recognize them and not to recognize them by accident in normal use. But what about starting recognizing only with pressed AUX button? You can replace actual function of locking screen by much more where one of them will be locking screen. That were some my thoughts about usability, indeed your work is realy great! Keep on going ;-) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing? Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:01 +0200, arne anka wrote: wouldn't it be sensible to have some flag or checksum indicating that the card and it's content are unchanged inotify does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr? No, inotify is an observer at runtime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify It is exactly the opposite I talked about and non working version of the same :) Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
While we're on the topic of hardware wishlist stuff, I'd like to throw in my two cents ^.^ - Hot swapable SD card slot - External wifi antenna connector (Mmmm war driving) - Official openmoko car charger (That gives me 1A without having to futz around) Also, I'd like the camera idea to be an optional extra at most. The buttons idea isn't so bad too, even though I really like the clean minimalist look the freerunner has right now. I've responded inline to the comments of the original poster below. On Saturday 09 August 2008 10:34:32 Monkey D. Luffy wrote: 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more) Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution? Since this phone will not be offered with any contracts (at least at first, depending on how successful it gets), I don't think people will be willing to pay an extra $200 just to get a camera in there. It's possible for a USB camera/webcam to be attached to the phone when it's in host mode. If you want to see that, you're more than welcome to go create it yourself. The CAD files are freely available for the phone, so you could probably readily create a snugly fitting clip-on camera that replaces the back plate, or something. (Most people don't have te resources for this, but that's fine. If there's enough consumer demand, it will eventually happen) 2) buttons on the damn thing :p SNES and GBx all the way :) Or at the very least, sell the GTA03 with an optional control pad: http://www.icontrolpad.com/ But try to make it as small as possible (maybe the control pad overlapping the case) so it doesn't get t big. You can already plug USB gamepads into the unit. Making one that actually connects to the unit so you don't have to awkwardly balance the phone on your lap or something should also be easy enough for an aftermarket manufacturer, but for now you're stuck with duct tape :p 3) holder for a small plastic stylus. With an optinal string connecting both, so that if you drop it by chance it doesn't get lost forever in some crack to hell. If possible, keep this in mind if selling the icontrolpad thingy (so the stylus doesn't get trapped there). Seems like nitpicking, but I guess it's a valid desire. 4) GPS Will I be able to keep maps updated for free? Will it be possible to make use of google maps, in the sense of having the indications on how to get from A to B? This is a software issue, not a hardware one. There's a GPS in the GTA02 and if the right software ever gets created then it will be able to do what you describe. 5) USB connector (USB 2.x), in order to connect the phone to the computer ? That's on the side. 6) WiFi Already in there. 7) accelerometers Yep. Got that. 8) bluetooth Has that too. 9) a cute chinese or japanese girl ^_^ Well, at least their phone numbers :p I would like a cute japanese girl's phone number too, but I think that's up to the sim card manufacturer, or the openmoko software side. It would be preferable if the cute japanese girl was really into open source too. I don't know if that's feasible. I heard about xv and glamo and what else... What I need to know is: Will I be able to watch videos or play games (with sound on both) at 640x480 resolution? I think we should be able to do this with the hardware that's out there now. Anyone achieved this? -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Wow, that is great!!! How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the figure you painted in the air? Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :) Norbert On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
* steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080811 04:39]: Yes, Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to give them first access to new product. If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same product, our partner. They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments seems like a waste. Baruch _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flyin_bbb8 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:15 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store? So any updates steve? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080811 04:39]: Yes, Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to give them first access to new product. If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same product, our partner. They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments seems like a waste. Baruch _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flyin_bbb8 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:15 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store? So any updates steve? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I got the extras (ordered from http://bearstech.com/shop, (the first batch) ) I think pullster.de also sells extra's y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
Koolu seems to be better then the direct shop for far away orders, only $60 CAD for shipping to ZA vs $120 from direct. Now to get my dad's credit card details Cheers, Federico On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080811 04:39]: Yes, Our distributors are doing great business so we will continue to give them first access to new product. If you are in the US you can buy from Koolu, same price, same product, our partner. They don't seem to be selling the extras and having two shipments seems like a waste. Baruch _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flyin_bbb8 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:15 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: What's up with Openmoko store? So any updates steve? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel and Dual booting
* DooD [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-11 14:38 +0200]: To prevent opkg from upgrading the kernel try: opkg flag hold kernel-2.6.24 opkg flag hold kernel-image-2.6.24 I can do that, but I'd like to have the latest fixes anyway (esp. teh SD corruption fix as soon as there's one!). Altho i think you only need to block the kernel-image-2.6.24 After getting a neo1973 kernel and a bad kernel that wouldnt boot from opkg, i do all my kernel upgrades with the dfu-util. Well, it's on the SD card in my case -- and btw using dfu-util isn't recommended now because you have to keep the modules in sync :) -- MiKael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Looks great! I've basically got the same questions as Norbert does. Plus I'd like to know how I can get me screen to auto-rotate ;-) Joseph 2008/8/11 Norbert Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow, that is great!!! How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the figure you painted in the air? Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :) Norbert On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
inotify does inotify tell you if the card was manipulated outside the fr? No, inotify is an observer at runtime. thought so. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
On 11 Aug 2008, at 10:52, arne anka wrote: ... all programs connecting to the net should be absolutely agnostic to the kind of connection you use. What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when you are on holiday in Spain. Thus when your contract's unlimited data use applies you get immediate notification of new emails, yet you don't get stung for $100s in roaming charges. I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for N95 in the subject) but perhaps not very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia software. But I would LOVE to know how this can be handled on an Openmoko device. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Hm. Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script. No output. So, I tried the accelerometer test script here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval Still no output. Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on? On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be in GTA03?
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think people will be willing to pay an extra $200 just to get a camera in there. Please do some research before making baseless comments. Camera modules do not cost $200. More like $10. Less in quantity. See here: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668 Further, their useful for far more than just taking photos. They make great barcode readers - even for 2D barcodes like UPS uses. GPS + camera = geotagged photos. Clever developers could even use one to supplement input from accelerometers. --tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: ... There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Hi there, I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check for new messages if you're on your provider's own network, not when you are on holiday in Spain. i am afraid that's beyond the scope of the solution i outlined. though i guess as soon as the necessary informations are available trough dbus or other means, such a solution will present itself. it should fit into the rules based activity handling apparently being in progress. very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Apparently I wasted too many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia rather. i gave up after about 50% because everything was about what you didn't like about that n95 .. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On Monday 11 August 2008 11:00:50 Stroller wrote: On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: ... There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Hi there, I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to accelerometer data. -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
zhone on the desktop?
Hi, I would like to learn FSO development by modifying zhone. Is there a way to run zhone on my ubuntu desktop or do I need to test on a neo device? Thank You, Witek___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote: ... I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to accelerometer data. Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended for it? Hope this makes sense. ;? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: / Fredrik Wendt, who also has the exact same device Scott has, as many others do too but doesn't scream WTF as soon his/her proclaimed non-finished device shows it's serious hickups thx, you speak from my heart. best regards ... clemens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS / Wifi
On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:11, Mike Baroukh wrote: What about the mail application? Every 5 minutes it should only check for new messages if you're on your provider's own network ... I described how the Nokia N95 handles this in my post of 10 August 2008 13:30:19 BST (search for N95 in the subject) but perhaps not very clearly, as I hoped for more replies. Well, I found your post. Effectively, it was pretty ... long ... On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:06, arne anka wrote: ... Apparently I wasted too many paragraphs bitching about the Orange build of the Nokia rather. i gave up after about 50% because everything was about what you didn't like about that n95 .. Thanks for your honest comments, guys. I'll really have to work on this. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card
Andy Green wrote: [...] Hey don't lose hope. There are two issues. First is just some big cards are too slow to respond at default 16MHz clock with Glamo 16-bit clock count timeout counter. See this https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 Suspend / resume (partition overwrite is only a suspend / resume issue) has been fundamentally broken on GTA02 since before I got here last December, it didn't work at all until a series of deathmatches with it. ~ The biggest deathmatch of all to clean and fix it is going on at the minute on 2.6.26 branch here and it exposed the biggest underlying problem for us which is Glamo behaviours. Assuming I kill it before it kills me, we will have a far less racy and more complete suspend and resume ordering situation then. yay! Other projects using Linux also have that problem of partition overwrite on resume, but I suspect resume ordering and racing is behind their problems too. When we clear that in the 2.6.26 branch we stand a chance to synthesize random or moving delays in resume action and try to flush out where it comes from. i played with it a bit and came to the conclusion that it eats exactly 1024byte from the beginning of the 'physical' blockdevice. atleast when i backup these to nand, write them back via dd after loosing it and do a ioctl via fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 - press w to trigger the block layer rereading the device i am fine. sounds weird.. is a buffer getting nulled on suspend, and gets written back to disk even if it shouldnt? -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Cool! Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
python on FR, need a little help
Hello, for my notebook I found a very good NetworkManager spare called wicd (http://wicd.sourceforge.net/), it is a python based application to handle WLAN. I am a absolute python newbie. But this little appl. is pretty nice and I want to bring it up and running on FR. First I installed python manually following packages in this order: libpython python-core python-lang python-threading libdbus python-dbus python-math libcrypto libssl python-io python-re python-stringold python-logging bzip2 python-misc python-pycairo python-pygobject python-shell python-pygtk python-fcntl python-codecs python-pickle python-subprocesses python-threading python-xml Allways the latest version from scaredyCat (http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/). I am able to enter 'python' in terminal and I get a valid answer. Then I copied all files from wicd to there locations, replaced two PNG files by the original one from pixmaps. After a reboot I see the appl. at the list of appl.. But I could not start the appl. :-(. The dmesg shows me just an old entry, so I don't know why the appl. ist not starting. Where can I find some hints about the reasons/issues/problems etc.? Is any python/FR guru able to give me a little help? -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Sure does :) It will be important to maintain the ability to turn off default gesture handling, if the user wants to install some other handler. Although, the 'shaking inbox' thing described by the earlier poster would probably not conflict with gestures. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about multiple apps accessing the linux 'event' interface at once. On Monday 11 August 2008 11:25:01 Stroller wrote: On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote: ... I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to accelerometer data. Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended for it? Hope this makes sense. ;? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Hey, On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:35:39 +0200 Paul-Valentin Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 Very cool. :-) There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. I'm looking forward to your release. In the mean time I'll add the package to OE. Is your .bb file in the repository up to date? Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. That's great to hear! Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dfu_util and preflash-Backup
Hello I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with dfu_upload error -108 My host reported: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:0f.2-1, CDC Ethernet Device, ba:f3:e6:14:4a:e3 What's wrong? -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Ticket created. https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1808 On Monday 11 August 2008 10:50:11 Daniel Benoy wrote: Hm. Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script. No output. So, I tried the accelerometer test script here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval Still no output. Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on? On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python on FR, need a little help
What happenbs if you start wicd from the console? python wicd/daemon.py python wicd/gui.py ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu_util and preflash-Backup
Christian Weßel wrote: Hello I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with dfu_upload error -108 Sorry, I don't know what that error means. However anyone wanting to use dfu-util -U should look at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 - dfu-util upload seems to cause data corruption. I tested on a GTA01Bv4, so it would be useful if someone could repeat my test on a production Freerunner and then add a note to the bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Gestures don't work like this, I don't know the shape of the gesture. For each gesture, I have a model that I previously created. Each model competes to be recognized, and every time you make a move, the model with the highest probability is chosen. You can know the shape of the gesture only if you had created a model by moving the Neo in the shape of a circle, and named it circle :) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Norbert Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that is great!!! How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the figure you painted in the air? Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :) Norbert On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Those were some gestures that I thought were useful to use - due to lack of imagination for short gestures. If anyone can think to some short gestures, please tell me how these short gestures should look like, and I'll create them. We're not constraint to use those gestures, not at all. Paul On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing? Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Begin on AUX button can be implemented easily. The problem is that the framework on the Neo is really not there yet, because I would have liked it to associate some gestures with actual actions on the Neo. But I'll be working with John Lee, and Daniel to do that in the future. Also, the release that does that is not ready yet, I still have to add something to the training GUI; but the framework is there. As said before, I'll make the release on Thursday/Friday. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Martin Šenkeřík [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I suggest more discreet gestures, like was the shaking one. I understand it is harder to recognize them and not to recognize them by accident in normal use. But what about starting recognizing only with pressed AUX button? You can replace actual function of locking screen by much more where one of them will be locking screen. That were some my thoughts about usability, indeed your work is realy great! Keep on going ;-) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing? Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner
There have now been several posts related to the successful use of GPRS on one or more of the software platforms - OM 200*.* and FSO - but not much discussion of how to multiplex voice and data calls. The FSO platform through it's mdbus/dbus interface seems to accomplish this. [1] below describes how to do so with a prior release of ASU. Is the multiplexer referenced in [1] - gsm0710muxd - now part of OM 2008.8 and should the direct use of /dev/ttySAC0 be avoided? Is the multiplexer referenced in [1] and apparently running on FSO the means by which data and voice are multiplexed in FSO? In FSO, if gsm0710muxd is the running daemon, what is the role of gsmd? Is gsmd active during voice calls only? Finally, with FSO and the mdbus/dbus interface , how can I set other connection parameters - for example, speed, timeouts, reconnect? Thoughts? Suggestions? Oh, yea - how can either a dund or pand connection event trigger gprs for laptop tethering? Chris [1] http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295start=0st=0sk=tsd=asid=dda5c6cbf5850182c786488123f056ce On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I gave it a try, too! I have a t-mobile flat rate which I use from my laptop. I just copied the file to the freerunner altered /etc/group as you supposed. My files look like this: /etc/ppp/peers/t-mobile --- user tm connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile /dev/ttySAC0 persist modem noipdefault usepeerdns defaultroute ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote lock crtscts /etc/ppp/connect-t-mobile - ABORT 'BUSY' ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT 'ERROR' '' AT OK AT+CGATT=1 OK AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,internet.t-mobile OK ATDT*99***1# /etc/ppp/pap-secrets # Secrets for authentication using PAP # client server secret IP addresses * * * tm * tm* That's all. I connected it yesterday and it worked. I used tangogps along with it and it downloaded the tiles automatically without having a usb cable connected. This is great! Gprs indeed feels slow and sluggish. The user tm in my files is arbitrarily chosen. It is said it's just better to connect with supplying a user and password. Norbert 08-09 at 14:51 -0700, Nathan Kinkade wrote: I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8 release of Om2008.8. I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so sorry if this email is pretty confused and long. I need to say up front that I don't have any data plan with T-Mobile. I just went to a T-Mobile store yesterday and bought a SIM chip (US$10) and a pre-paid plan. The guy behind the counter asked me what the phone was that I had. I explained a little, and then he mentioned something about me being able to get free data service, that T-Mobile didn't advertise it, and that it wasn't worth their time to track down who was using it ... I don't know. He just wrote on my receipt wap.voicestream.com. I should also note that I didn't have to modify /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on, or chown /dev/ttySAC0, or even do stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts. However, in relation to chowning /dev/ttySAC0, I *did* modify /etc/group and add the users uucp and ppp to the group dialout, which by default has write permissions on /dev/ttySAC0. It seems to connect, bring up the ppp0 interface, and get and configure a number of TCP/IP settings. Only DNS name resolution seems to work, but this is probably just because I don't have a data plan, or haven't figured out what ports are open to the outside world or what proxy may need to be used. Any input, or suggestions would be great. What I've done required very little modification from this wiki article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS. The only files I edited or created were the ones you see below. Get ready for a cut-n-paste fest: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/peers/tmobile lock /dev/ttySAC0 115200 crtscts connect /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect disconnect /etc/ppp/tmobile-disconnect hide-password usepeerdns ipcp-accept-local noauth noipdefault novj novjccomp defaultroute replacedefaultroute # Reopen the connection if it fails, pausing for a while. persist holdoff 15 # Check the line every 20 seconds and presume # the peer is gone if no reply for 4 times. lcp-echo-interval 20 lcp-echo-failure 4 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/ppp/tmobile-connect #!/bin/sh -e exec chat -v -S -s\ TIMEOUT 15\ \K\K\K\d+++ATH\ OK-AT-OK ATZ\ OK ATE1\ ABORT BUSY\ ABORT DELAYED\ ABORT NO ANSWER\ ABORT NO DIALTONE\
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Please wait till Thursday/Friday when I'll release the package with what you saw in the video :) The alpha release that is now for download is obsolete, as it's one month old. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Looks great! I've basically got the same questions as Norbert does. Plus I'd like to know how I can get me screen to auto-rotate ;-) Joseph 2008/8/11 Norbert Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wow, that is great!!! How fine grained is the resolution of the movements? I mean how detailed you could draw a shape on the screen from the figure you painted in the air? Or even better. Do you think it would be possible to do something like palms grafiti without knocking your neighbor out? :) Norbert On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 09:35 +0200, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any information about illume and edj files available?
Hi, are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available? Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Yes, you'll be able to record, and train your own gestures; by running the Gestures app with the GUI. Of course, you get more flexibility in command line, that's how I do it, but you'll be able to do the same things in GUI mode. Gestures already use DBUS, system bus on org.openmoko.accelges (as in accelerometer gestures), and they generate signals: Recognized signal On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bravo Paul, I'm looking forward to this project maturing. Will your next release be able to record new gestures or only detect the ones in the demo? Am I right in thinking this will use dbus and detected gestures will generate events for other apps for use. Regards Matt Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Your probably using an older version, since what you just saw in the video is not released yet :) I will release a package this week. try hexdump /dev/input/event2 and hexdump /dev/input/event3 and restart your Neo :) Paul On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Benoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. Didn't work when I tried your gesd-neo.sh script. No output. So, I tried the accelerometer test script here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval Still no output. Is there something I have to do to turn the accelerometers on? On Monday 11 August 2008 03:35:39 Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
The fact that is currently undocumented is all my fault. Sorry for that - I'll catch up this weekend. Till then, I have to work on the release. Yes, there are 2 daemons, one that processes the gestures and sends signals on dbus, and a listener daemon that listens for gestures and runs the actions for each gesture. Paul On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 11 Aug 2008, at 08:35, Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: ... There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Hi there, I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
The listener daemon doesn't start up automatically, only the one that recognizes gestures. For on, it just sends the recognized gesture, regardless of the context the phone is. Paul On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 11 Aug 2008, at 16:12, Daniel Benoy wrote: ... I'm slightly disappointed that the shaking inbox wouldn't be accommodated by the gestures you've made available. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/11/shoogle_gives_your_cellphone_b.html This use is even mentioned on the wiki page you link to from your site: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures A casual search doesn't reveal how your work is supposed to integrate on the device. Presumably it's a library or daemon which is intended to fulfil all gesturing requests from all other apps? Will it be easy to add new gestures? Stroller. If I'm not mistaken, gestures can be interpreted at the same time that other software (Such as the type you're describing) simultaneously listens to accelerometer data. Doesn't that bring the risk that you're gesturing to do something in one app, and another app is fired up by the gesture daemon (or whatever) because it doesn't know that the gesture wasn't intended for it? Hope this makes sense. ;? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 06:04:59PM +0200, Rorschach wrote: Hi, are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available? Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume? Hi Rorschach, You could try to use edje_decc to decompile edj file. -Ju1ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
Daniel, As you know, I had problems with gestures.projects.openmoko.org and moved to http://accelges.googlecode.com Should I erase the project from gestures.projects.openmoko.org, or should I move back to *.projects and erase the one from googlecode. The bitbake is here http://code.google.com/p/accelges/source/browse/accelges_svn.bb Thanks, Daniel On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey, On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:35:39 +0200 Paul-Valentin Borza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 Very cool. :-) There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. I'm looking forward to your release. In the mean time I'll add the package to OE. Is your .bb file in the repository up to date? Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. That's great to hear! Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Feed updates
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:15:20PM +0200, Norbert Hartl wrote: Since the release of Om2008.8 there were IMHO no further updates over the feeds. Is this caused by the hard-earned rest of the exhausted developers or has development switched to a dev branch/feed? Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Norbert, We will keep update the feeds to bring the bug fix :-) Best Regards. -Ju1ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?
Hi Rorschach, It's a category of desktop file. Bar Please change the desktop file of assassin like this. --- /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktopThu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970 +++ /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktop.newMon Aug 11 09:24:56 2008 @@ -9,4 +9,4 @@ Icon=assassin Terminal=false Type=Application -Categories=PackageManager;System;Settings;Bar; +Categories=PackageManager;Settings; -- You can use the same trick to put/remove the most important applications into the BAR. Cheers, Tick On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 06:04:59PM +0200, Rorschach wrote: Hi, are there any informations about illume and how to create/modify edj files? I want to make assassin a normal application with a normal starter and without this starter always on the bottom but those useless +++ sign and this things. But it seems there are absolutly no information about illume available? Can someone point me to or give me some information about illume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python on FR, need a little help
Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 17:58 +0200 schrieb Rorschach: What happenbs if you start wicd from the console? python wicd/daemon.py [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/daemon.py/opt/wicd wicd daemon: pid 1894 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# lono wireless extensions. usb0 no wireless extensions. lono wireless extensions. usb0 no wireless extensions. ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device None Interface doesn't support scanning. sh: ethtool: not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ps -ef|grep daemon ... root 1894 1 4 16:35 ?00:00:02 python /opt/wicd/daemon.py ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python wicd/gui.py at the ssh console [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# python /opt/wicd/gui.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning) attempting to connect daemon... success starting gui.py... (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: Error loading image: Failed to open file 'data/wicd.png': No such file or directory (gui.py:1911): libglade-WARNING **: could not convert string to type `GdkPixbuf' for property `icon' Segmentation fault [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# at the local terminal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# python /opt/wicd/gui.py attempting to connect daemon... success starting gui.py... refreshing... Number of wireless networks detected: 0 refreshing... Number of wireless networks detected: 0 The daemon seems to be running. A gui is opened with a three items on top (Network, Disconnect, Refresh) and the message 'No wireless networks found.' in the middle of the screen. At the same time at my ssh console I receive 'ifconfig: none: error fetching interface information: Device not found' each half second. Before that I saw 'sh: ethtool: not found'. -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
I've got confirmation @ Jul 24 Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28 And received it today (11 Aug). That's in Europe. Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
I did try this. It doesn't help. I added little scripts to /etc/apm/suspend.d and /etc/apm/resume.d. Unless there's someplace else those should be. I did find that slowing the SD clock (per ticket #1743 about the Intenso SD card issue) had a positive effect. Kinda. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 -Steven On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:00 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It didn't occur to me to mount the card ro, but I will try it and see if it helps. not sure if it will help -- but why not unmount the sd card on suspend and remount on resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu_util and preflash-Backup
I had a look at the ticket and I searched for a button to add information to it, sadly not found. I hope, that someone of the dfu_util developer will read here too. Am Montag, den 11.08.2008, 09:28 -0700 schrieb Mike Montour: Christian Weßel wrote: Hello I tried to save my rootfs by wiki's way (./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U good-rootfs.jffs2) and failed after a lot of minutes and 246MB with dfu_upload error -108 Sorry, I don't know what that error means. However anyone wanting to use dfu-util -U should look at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/676 - dfu-util upload seems to cause data corruption. I tested on a GTA01Bv4, so it would be useful if someone could repeat my test on a production Freerunner and then add a note to the bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got confirmation @ Jul 24 Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28 And received it today (11 Aug). That's in Europe. Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it. I got mine too. About the same time frame (here in the U.S.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:03:22 +0800 Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rorschach, It's a category of desktop file. Bar Ahh okay many thanks for the information, I thought this would be done by edj and enlighment! Didn't knew the desktop-files are used for such things. I just know about packaging debs that the categorie influences under which category in the gnome/kde-menu they have to appear. But also thanks for pointing me to edje_decc. I gathered a few infos about edj and started a wiki-page about it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any information about illume and edj files available?
Am Dienstag, den 12.08.2008, 00:46 +0800 schrieb Julian Chu: Hi Rorschach, You could try to use edje_decc to decompile edj file. rorschach, take a look at my site, decompile the files and play around with it :) http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ in my eye candy illume file, i disabled the bar at the bottom. you can diff it with some prog of your choise. lars ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No pin dialog/ qpe
Norbert Hartl wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:01 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Norbert Hartl wrote: What is qpe exactly doing? I noticed a lot of problems other people reporting like the no pin dialog. Looking at the device qpe uses 100% CPU for a long time. I don't understand it but the CPU usage of qpe is capable to slow down other things extremely. The SIM Pin dialog is working with the new firmware but delayed through qpe. Holger Freyther gave me the hint that it is looking for media on the SD card. In /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf That is one possible thing it is doing at startup. The idea is that it is a phone, and you only startup in rare instances. If we take a stable phone than you are right. If you develop a phone for only developers, then thats what you get. A phone that only a small niche of developers are going to want to use. But at the moment people need to start often and that leads to a situation where these settings confuse a lot of people. Then take the SD card entry out of the conf file. It is even there if you start your phone the first time. To raise user experience this search should be delayed and it should be assured that this search is happening on a very low priority so it does not block anything. There could be even an indicator that is visually announcing the search. But let us be realistic :) there is a section where qpe is configured for the media it should search. For the SD card every media type is activated. So the qpe searches the SD card after booting blocking a lot of other things. There are two issues for me: - it is discussable if these settings are useful as default to search for media on the SD card. While being troublesome I would be against it If Qtopia is not allowed to search the SD card, it will not be able to see/use files on it, so then why have it at all? Because there is always something in between black and white. There could be some intelligent way to detect when it is necessary to refresh. And users are quite used to know that software is stupid and they praise the existence of a manual trigger for such actions. The trigger is someone booting up, or inserting the SD card. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
