Re: wlan and voip
On Wednesday 15 November 2006 18:06, Hannes Hauswedell wrote: Thanks for your interest in OpenMoko. At this point we really cannot commit to a timeframe. Just understand that it's a key feature we'd love to see. We are just not willing to put binary modules in our kernel. So as of now, this is still a WiFi stopper. thats ok! better to have a completely free platform than those wannabe free gadgets! I might be missing something, but it looks to me as the Ralinktech RT2500 drivers for my Asus USB WLAN stick don't contain a blob? I would wager to guess that the guys at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/ would know for sure. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wlan and voip
On Thursday 16 November 2006 11:33, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: I'm not an hardware hacker but a simple google search showed me this website that contains a list of wifi chipsets and their driver status on linux. I hope it helps. http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_alles.php? http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ Also http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux has a very thorough listing including comments on the drivers and licensing. pgpblCLOkpFBo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A marketing angle
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 22:34, Ben F-W wrote: Taking account of this, I wonder if it would be possible/useful to be able to 'skin' the user interface? Not just in a visual way, but so that people could switch their phone from operating like a Nokia to operating like a Motorola to a Sony Ericsson to...? So when you get it out of the box, you can tell it what interface your last phone had, and all the 'keys' would operate exactly like you're used to. Well there's the benq Blackbox concept out there which is essentially a phone that has a touchscreen all over that does show context sensitive buttons. However, I'm not entirely sure if the average user would even WANT to deal with touchscreens over a real keypad. Many even complain over the Razr style touchpads... In Asia that's not much of an issue but I imagine in the West ist might very well be. For one thing, my parents never cared for the touchscreen in my P900 PDA phone... pgpBQduHB3R4w.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]
On Monday 27 November 2006 16:45, Jeff Andros wrote: the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style Google Maps is a webapp no? And if you mean Google Earth, that's such a resource hog that it barely works on my 1.6Ghz Notebook with Nvidia 5200 GO card... pgp9EEz8LdqLq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Moko - GPL?
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:16, Stuart Gray wrote: available, as I am used to getting my phones free on contract, and spending $350 on a phone I plan to upgrade not too long after would just be mad.Cant wait though, I am really excited for it. Hopefully all my hopes turn into reality. It also depends a lot on just how long it will take for v2 to be released and what it will actually support. pgp4guyrBcmJK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Light sensor
On Friday 01 December 2006 02:03, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: What do you mean doesn't come for free? I for one would expect it to need more power than just sit there in idle mode? pgpaDV9SWeyFG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it portable? [scanned]
On Tuesday 05 December 2006 19:02, Robert Michel wrote: Focusing first on helping FIC to have sucsess will be IMHO more fruitfull than hacking OpenMoko on the HTC Hermes. AFAIK, FIC and HTC are said to be sister companies. (Which strikes me as somewhat weird considering just how closed HTC is but wel who knows). If that is in fact true, I would expect more OpenMoko hardware quite quickly... Just imagine, an OpenMoko Hermes with VGA screen [1] And while I very well understand why one would want the Hermes to run OpenMoko, I'm not sure if the first version would actually work with a lowly QVGA display very well? [1] Eten (which is believe is one of the rather few companies to actually manufacture PocketPC phones besides HTC?) actually has announced a Hermes like slide qwerty device with VGA screen AND GPS integrated so HTC will (have to) follow quickly with one I guess. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: emergency call - fallback to call without SIM Re: capacitor to call the police without battery and SIM card *g* Re: Fun with Stolen/Lost Phones..
On Friday 15 December 2006 20:23, Robert Michel wrote: Without SIM card is the keyword. There are people got into trouble, especialy in the mountains and they didn't made an emergency call because their GSM network was not strong enough. Only a few GSM user does know that then it help to remove the SIM card to do a emergency call with any GSM network. Uhm around here I get emergency calls only on my phone, even with inserted SIM when I get to some area without coverage from my operator? I think that's pretty standard fare as far as GSM phones go, actually... pgpi98VEadNJC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Opensource Linux SDIO Stack
MontaVista and WLAN (wireless LAN) chipset maker Atheros have founded an open source project aimed at enabling Linux to more easily support a wide variety of SDIO peripherals, including WLAN cards, bluetooth radios, hard drives, modems, GPS recievers, DTV tuners, cameras, voice recorders, biometric fingerprint readers, and business card scanners. The open source linux-SDIO project will be based on an SDIO stack developed by Codetelligence, and purchased by Atheros in 2005. The stack is architecture-independent, and today appears to include vendor-agnostic drivers for SDIO host and bus controllers, along with drivers for SD/MMC memory cards, Bluetooth radios, and Atheros WLAN chipsets. see http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6177996610.html pgp8HpYdxCl3p.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal flash size
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 15:31, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: It is easy to find 2GB usb sticks on market for 20 EUR. FIC Phone will get 64MB (preliminary specs)... Can it get more? 512MB or more with good partitioning (/ + /home) would be nice I would second that request. 1GB or even 2GB shouldn't make it prohibitively more expensive but a LOT more useful (and still much cheaper for us customers than having to buy overpriced microsd cards ;-). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal flash size
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:27, Paul Bohme wrote: Remember that this is still a phone.. Your general 'user' to whom this needs to appeal will probably be hard pressed to fill the flash provided. Every penny counts in parts on devices like this, and that much of an increase with little end-user gain isn't nearly as easy as it sounds. The general user to whom a device like OpenMoko could be useful currently likely isn't your average cell phone user. Mind you, the Neo can serve as media player, for which 1GB of space would hardly seem out of place. And neither would it hurt to have more storage for maps... Last night I got an ad in the mail from a cell company that claims the Motorola RAZR phone retails for US$199. I dont think the RAZR is Neo's competition at all (I think the RAZR is a truly bad phone anyway, but that's for another discussion entirely). I think the Motorola MING and a bunch of HTC devices are much closer to what the Neo initially competes with, maybe even Nokia E Series or Blackberries. All of which retail for as much and more as the Neo will likely cost... Or to put your argument up side down: if you make me pay 350$, I don't really care for 10$ more, but you better give me storage ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Regarding hardware specs...
On Monday 25 December 2006 17:40, Kenshin wrote: Can i raise some hoppes for this: Obviously you didn't read the specs very well, as the following is already done: - great audio capture (use it as a recorder) (not sure, but the specs should make it possible at least) - big screen size ( 2, 480x640) to read pdf and html files, read manga, view anime - toggle between landscape/portrait Software thing, should work. - allow some kind of expansion slot (eg, adding a SD card of 1GB) It HAS microsd. Up to 1G at least. - gravity tolerance (must survive falling in the floor and getting sprinkled by water a couple of times :-) - japanese language support (both keyboard and OCR... and i guess both can be done via software) Likely so. - run nes, snes emulators (multiple key press could be done via software... eg: for super mario run+jump at the same time) Except for the keys, I don't see why this shouldn't work. - mp3 player (use it like an ipod) Software. - wifi I agree. This is MY personal point. - gps Already in there. - usb Already in there. Luxury item: - voice recognition (understand orders like phone, dial, girlfriend) Software. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Survey of WiFi vendors Opensource Relations
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/293/ Atmel,Ralink and Realtek seem pretty open about open source platforms. Atmel especially seems very interested in embedded system design wins and so does Realtek. pgp9zqEs3VHtG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy New Year!
On Monday 01 January 2007 00:53, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070101 00:32]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Now where can I order a neo1973? ;) I second that ;) plz add me to. Koen beat me by about 8min ;) Hopefully, January 2007 is not a shortened form for January 12007 ;) That would even beat M$ by a very wide margin ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Few questions regarding phone
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 21:42, Pranav Desai wrote: Hello All, I have been following the list and seem like a very interesting project and I very excited about getting this device. I do have a few questions: - Will this be a ready to use phone, out of the box ? as long as i have a sim card. I think so. - What is the final status on bluetooth. I have been reading that is there, not there ... Still not entirely sure I guess. - What does it mean to be open source, will I be able to write my own hello world ? Can run a bash shell and a ssh client? Yes. Will I be able to run some sort of mobile firefox? Probably, not gonna be shipped with it as I understand. - Will it have support for USB WiFi devices, since I assume there is no wifi in the initial version. If you can somehow power the USB wifi stick (as the phone won't do that for you), then yes. pgpARVe1p3rCP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 10:20, Howard Lowndes wrote: I'll happily admit to being totally ignorant about any matters phone to paraphrase Gilbert and Sullivan, but I am interested in this project. I assume it is being designed for the US market, but what other markets will it suit? I'm in AU so that is my field of particular interest, but also SE Asia generally. It should work in pretty much every market where there is a GSM operator is pretty much anywhere except (perhaps, not sure) Japan. pgp15R1eUZMJ3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 10:06, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: We have two more kits that will be available (in addition to the standard kit): A Car Kit and a Hacker's Lunchbox. The latter is quite cool. I'll tell you more about it soon. Plase let it contain a battery powered mini USB wifi stick ;) pgphUDnJNg3w6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wi-fi ZD1211
On Thursday 11 January 2007 11:28, xnike wrote: Is it possible to use external usb devices like zydas wi-fi usb doungle? Or not in this version of kernel in neo1973? *As of Linux 2.6.18, the kernel includes a driver for ZD1211 ZD1211B hardware* Neo uses 2.6.17.14 I think. You can use USB devices, but only they can power themselves. pgpr1ZDPlHUe8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'd like to see a Neo1973 running without battery, but USB powered :) Re: Kingmax announces microSDHC 4G card
On Tuesday 16 January 2007 17:17, Robert Michel wrote: I would find the need for reboots not smart. The wish that the Neo would run also USB powered would only help on the road, when I have a battery powered USB hub or any other USB power source - only for switching the cards? I doubt switching cards all the time will do much good for the longevity of the slot in the phone anyhow. If the average SIM slot is any indication, you don't want to use it more than you really really have to. pgpJLl9whaeve.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming oportunities
On Tuesday 16 January 2007 18:51, Engin Erenturk wrote: Hi, I'm Engin; I'm a game developer from Istanbul/Turkey. the thing i wonder most about open openmoko is the gaming oportunities. as i read from mails today, it will have a 640x480 vga screen. Is there any predictions about the gam#351;ing oportunities of this device? Unless your game can be controlled with a touchscreen, you won't like it as gaming device. pgpiaJD9VuAwb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote: The reason is neither of them have VoIP via WiFi. Who do I talk to ask them to include WiFi connectivity with the OpenMoko? I'll sell my body parts to get hold of such a device. Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is the killer app. WiFi enabled Nokia E Series can do that. As can do many Winmobile devices. no organization that gets it is hardly true.. pgpLomBxBDgg7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
On Thursday 18 January 2007 07:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what it is about the guy who posted this thread, but I really think that he's got some sort of talent for getting people talking. I posted a similar idea only yesterday that received no replies. Could someone brief me on why the same idea gets so much feedback from the list? Flamebaits like the above have a tendency to do that pgpKZeH3nhRX5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: Why do I want WiFi?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 06:12, Alexander McLeay wrote: What sort of speed does this give you? Is it actually good enough for It's assumed Bluetooth 2.0 EDR will allow about 2mbit. VoIP over Bluetooth IP to be practical? Plenty fast for that. I think Speex can run on as little as 2kbyte/s. pgp3XbVhMWESy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why do I want WiFi?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 03:25, Renaissance Man wrote: your device is intelligent enough it will seamlessly swap between the two, using WiFi when it's available and GSM when it's not (and vice versa), just as Truphone does. Seamless swapping needs the carriers' help. And they won't do it for free, rest assured. pgp4bG83WmEJN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
On Thursday 18 January 2007 10:01, Renaissance Man wrote: The problem with the Nokia E Series, N80s, and Windows smartphones is that they're either very expensive and/or they don't actually make VoIP via WiFi easy. The only organisation that seems to get it is Truphone. You can take their software package, put it on the cheapest supported WiFi/GSM enabled phone you can get and then you have a phone that seamlessly swaps between WiFi and GSM with one phone number. Nokia E Series is cheaper than a N80. As are many wifi enabled Winmobile phones. And considering that those two options are pretty much the ONLY WiFi phones actually shipping Truphone is kinda besides the point for anyone but Nokia N Series users. pgpi4CxyyeNcK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why do I want WiFi?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:54, Renaissance Man wrote: Seamless swapping needs the carriers' help. And they won't do it for free, rest assured. Already being done. See http://truphone.com Doesn't really say how it works. An all SIP solution doesnt really sound like it could ever be seamless with GSM. I'd really like to know just how this supposed to work, because if they pulled this off, it would be really huge. pgpgyyT5euxlZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neither iPhone or OpenMoko are revolutionary
On Thursday 18 January 2007 21:08, Attila Csipa wrote: Ah, I thought we were talking about switching _during_ a call (as wifi is much more sensitive to terrain configuration - say moving away from a window, loosing LOS to the AP, etc). Isn't UMA supposed to be able to handle that? pgpPL5fE9cK5o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: (Networked) media player
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 10:13, Marco Lohse wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Tuesday 23 January 2007 09:18, Marco Lohse wrote: 1) Is it possible to get a device for evaluation now? Maybe you could qualify for developer phase (which means 11.2., otherwise 11.3.) About developer phase: Who would be the contact person? Thank you! From the website: Notice to Developers If you are interested in developing Free Software applications for the OpenMoko platform, please send information regarding embedded Linux projects you have contributed to, and the work you have done to [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp4eHtLWZcMd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: development model
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 11:14, Tehn Yit Chin wrote: 2) somehow make the device networkable. In this scenario, we can NFS mount a shared directory on our desktop machine from the target. With this setup, we can cross compile the application, copy it to the NFS mount, and immediately execute it on the target. This works with both USB net and bluetooth PAN. pgpFyrSfxCgxr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 12:33, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. Are they good enough to twice integrate the acceleration data (which obviously puts quite some demand onto accuracy) to get a better estimate of where a car would be after entering a tunnel? If so, there's your killer app. pgphczV4hXBfu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:15, Dave Crossland wrote: I feel it is misleading to describe code distributed in the 1960s and 70s as 'free software' - because software freedom was not recognised or enshrined. Ok, now that's just being ridiculous. And besides, the BSDL predates the GPLv1 by a decade. And many would argue (I certainly do, but obviously not the FSF) that the BSDL is much more free than the GPL. It would be like labelling early farmers as organic. Which they very clearly were. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:04, Tim Newsom wrote: For GeoPointing to work right, you would also need an electronic compass module in the phone I think that's actually the only thing you really need for it to work. Not sure how an accelerometer would help figuring out what direction the phone has? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 17:55, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: The accelerometer can allow you to know what directions the phone went, and 3d orientation (rotations and stuff). The compass, would just be for calibration, because you can trust them all them time (just put a compass above an long iron piece, and you will see it move from the original direction). But without having a point of reference, knowing what direction you went is not really useful... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: celluar data network speed comparison WAS: Re: verizon and openmoko
On Friday 26 January 2007 02:32:53 Todd W wrote: OpenMoko is definitely another great tool for the toolbox, but just so everyone knows, there are already much more advanced wireless data interfaces available. Comparing EVDO to GSM is like comparing modern trucks to steam locomotives. There's UMTS and HSDPA (which would then likely be the equivalent of a TGV like high speed train), you know... pgphWv3YsZlaz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi
On Friday 26 January 2007 06:35:41 Richi Plana wrote: I guess it's just as well that the first version didn't contain WiFi as the specs for 802.11n seems all but finished (http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9415304733.html). Hopefully Intel and Atheros come out with embeddable chips and release the drivers. Intel might actually stick to its words and release the specs or the source for a linux driver for their chipset. Not sure just how 802.11n is useful on a *phone*. Just about everything the CPU can reasonably be expected to handle runs just fine on 11G pgpOZtqYwmnAb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi
On Friday 26 January 2007 09:31:18 Richi Plana wrote: True that. I can't think of an application right now for 11n on a phone. But then again, someone said 640KB of RAM was sufficient for the desktop. :) Sure, but unlike with DOS, there's nothing stopping the devs from adding N when we need it... pgp90ZmjO4NVR.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
On Friday 26 January 2007 18:41:50 Tim Newsom wrote: yes, accelerometers measure acceleration. The first derivative of acceleration is velocity. Ok Steve. I grant you that the first derivative of acceleration is velocity... I don't think so. The first derivative of VELOCITY is acceleration (i.e. integrate acceleration to get velocity as acceleration is the rate of change of velocity) if my high school physics doesn't totally fail me right now. This also means that if acceleration is zero, velocity simply is constant. And in order to have velocity 0 you must have encountered some acceleration at some point. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: addon sleeves / casings - wish
On Saturday 27 January 2007 12:35:30 polz wrote: I know it's late, but perhaps, just perhaps, the moulds could still be modified, just before the first phones are produced... On a related note - will it be possible to buy the telephone (addon) casings alone, without any electronics ? I would support both requests firmly. A way to attach extensions to Neo would be really helpful for anyone trying to add some hardware feature... Perhaps one could even go as far as offering an oversized replacement shell with space to do it internally? pgpiIJbpRPvGU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNU discussion
On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:10:43 Declan Naughton wrote: But I prefer copyleft - the idea of using the law to try and make sure freedom doesn't go away, to giving others the freedom to take it away. If others take code under the BSDL and put it into a closed system, freedom doesn't go away at all. It just doesn't necessarily extend any further. pgpi72MIs80rQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNU discussion (was re:Free your phone)
On Saturday 27 January 2007 15:58:46 Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: (You've let us know you're not a developer; it's becoming clear you have no greater level of understanding of legal issues.) I won't comment on this as IANAL. This is entirely right (albeit IANAL either). For example, if you take on a job, you surrender freedom of movement for parts of the day, too, in exchange for something you want, usually mostly your salary. There are certain bounds to this, and for good reasons btw as in most countries it's not legal to enter into contracts (actually you might be allowed to enter into one, but courts would refuse to hold it up) that would make you a de facto slave of the other party but outside this, you're free to give up freedoms whenever you like. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote: It's not a matter of should. A person DOES have the freedom to run proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in economics). No that's not what is generally called an externality. It would only have externalities (which BTW can be be good or bad, which is often overlooked) if it had effects on third parties which is probably not the case as weird philosophical arguments such as this is morally bad so it affects me generally aren't allowed. And that consequence is that the more people who do it the more reliant on non-free software free software becomes, and the more reliant free software is on un-free software the less free the whole system becomes: meaning, when you look at the whole picture, users will have less freedom to use software, and the systems run by that software, in the way they want. That is not following from people using non free software on a system. If I chose to use TomTom on my Neo, nothing gets any less free than it was before. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mass Storage For Phones
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:15:28 Robert Michel wrote: But comparing this $85 with the price of every other component in the Neo1973 makes clear, that it is not only the matter of size why it is not so likly to have such a hdd included in a smartphone. Furthermore, 8G flash USB sticks *retail* for no more than that these days. And I definitely don't want a power hungry mechanical device over solid state memory, myself. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please no crossposting! Re: Information regarding theMessaging Support in OpenMoko
On Friday 02 February 2007 13:43:52 Dave Crossland wrote: For the recipients who are on Jabber (such as Jabber conversant phones) this is a good idea. For everyone else, MMS as the least preferred but available option is quite neccessary. Tho I do wonder how much GPRS traffic it would generate to constantly be connect to a Jabber server? For people who have flatrate GPRS, this is obviously a very nice solution but for the rest of us it might turn out to be rather expensive? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LiarLiar
On Friday 02 February 2007 13:52:53 Sven Neuhaus wrote: Running LiarLiar (a voice stress analysis tool, http://liarliar.sourceforge.net/ ) on the Neo1973 would be a nice hack, analysing your counterpart on the other end of the line. I'm not sure the phone is fast enough to do the fast fourier transform in realtime, though... Doing the opposite could possibly come useful as well, i.e. normalizing voice in some sort? Possibly piping it through a vocoder (could sound kinda weird though)? So if you give people a weapon like liarliar, you better prepare a defense against it, don't you? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please no crossposting! Re: Information regarding theMessaging Support in OpenMoko
On Friday 02 February 2007 14:13:32 Dave Crossland wrote: I imagine that low bandwidth proxies will emerge for all kinds of protocols both as the developed-world power users like OpenMoko owners want cheap omnipresence, and as the developing world wants to make best use of very limited bandwidth available. Well for instant messaging, a very important part of the BW consumed could be keep alive packets for the TCP session for which low bandwith proxies can't really help much and you're at mercy of the NAT timeout of your GPRS provider... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handy application ideas
On Saturday 03 February 2007 22:34:10 Tomasz Zielinski wrote: 2007/2/2, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...Because, I presume that the thief will do very quickly a hard reset. There is no such thing like restore to factory default in Neo1973. What you load to flash memory, will remain there. That's why restore to factory default will likely mean: reflash the firmware. Now your average cell phone thief will probably not manage that right away. Maybe a feature could be added that before reflashing (for which there is legitimate use on an OSS phone), the phone tries everything to contact its owner with GPS coordinates? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text messaging on the OpenMoko platform
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:56:37 Sergio Bessa wrote: What if we could have Jabber support in OpenMoko and use some sort of transport/relay to connect to legacy protocols? Don't you think this would work? This way wwe only needed one protocol implementation. Sure. Many of the public Jabber servers come with ICQ, MSN, AIM etc transports. It's not entirely as straight forward to use as direct connections to those networks in most Jabber clients, but I'm sure it could be done that way. Then again, while XMPP is quite nice for normal usage on the net, maybe we need a different protocol, namely one that is VERY bandwidth efficient (XML is not really famous for that, a binary protocol could potentially do much better) to keep GPRS costs low? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Text messaging on the OpenMoko platform
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 12:06:08 you wrote: It woud be great to keep a clean, well known messaging protokoll at the base. For reducing the bandwidth usage, I would have two ideas in mind: - gzip the xml communication (like soap Web-Services over HTTP do). - Use the binary XML-Representation WAP Binary XML (WBXML) Both solutions would need a server-side gateway, but full-blown xml could be used as fall-back, very easy. Actually, TLS specifies (though its optional I believe, but openssl seems to support it) compression mechanisms, so some Jabber servers might already be able to use compressed connections without any real intervention... But one could also think about Jabber to wbxml and then still compress it with some good algorithm.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Free maps after all?
http://go.theregister.com/feed/http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/nokia_frees_smart2go/ pgpJJrCHk8CB1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management.
On Thursday 08 February 2007 18:06:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost certainly. At the very least there is a microcontroller or other hardware to handle the USB protocol and to do the keyboard scanning. Unless someone cleverly makes a self-powered keyboard. Anyone know of one? All Bluetooth ones. pgpWddyOCeRYm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is is it possible to make this Truphone compatible?
On Monday 12 February 2007 16:16:04 Shridhar Jayanthi wrote: with a WiFi card. But I was wondering if it's possible to make a IP stack over bluetooth, to use the OpenMoko. Besides needing a bluethooth hotspot, is there any technical reason for which this wouldn't work? You can use IP over Bluetooth with PAN, yes. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:05:30 Florent THIERY wrote: With the not-sexy-at-all battery powered usb hub, will a keyboard work easily? USB keyboard support in the kernel would be sufficient, right? As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at all. An USB one should work with a self powered hub, though. pgpQmxnzMf6MZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:16:10 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at all. Obviously that should read Bluetooth instead of USB. pgpEhlkzZvHmn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote: http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...) Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
On Thursday 22 February 2007 19:43:26 Sam Kome wrote: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Still, nobody really forces you to buy SIM locked phone for all I know. If you want cheap phones, that is usually the price... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:32:38 Rod Whitby wrote: With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after announcement of new features keeps you waiting ... There's a big difference between a major feature I really want and some incremental upgrade that while nice is not that important to myself. the other thing everybody wants (if I'm right in thinking what it is and since most seem to share my view of what it is ...) is of the first category to myself. OTOH, I would not care that much for an upgrade of RAM just now... pgpXY4OW1ZlxC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 04:08:39 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. The thing we can promise at this point is a faster CPU. We're still working on the WiFi stuff. Graphics acceleration is much later. Thanks for the comment, it's much appreciated. pgpT58XKX3ahv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 15:09:47 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi. That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-) How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines? Improving on the idea: get someone to operate one of those 0900 numbers in each country (usualy they dont really work cross country very well) who will then give the proceeds to the owner of the stolen phone so he can buy a new one... Or even just sending over priced SMS, that's even less obvious. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.
On Thursday 01 March 2007 13:52:16 Ian Stirling wrote: Briefly, a way for anyone with the phone to access a history of the phone (bought/sold status, reported as stolen, ...), a way for the user to set these as well as contact information for people to return the phone in some way. Thoughts? Seems sensible. Also maybe a sticker in the battery compartment telling buyers of used phones to flash it with new firmware obtained directly from FIC (if there's some way to ensure that the flashing process actually does work even on a totally hacked phone)? pgpdVkoTg1TWf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
On Thursday 01 March 2007 14:20:32 Christian T. wrote: I have one unlocked phone and I'm changing between two SIMs (different providers) and somehow it seems to configure that automagically. I guess, the configuration is on the SIM. It's like that for all Austrian providers i tried. So at least here in Austria that should work fine. I agree, I have never had to configure anything to use SMS with any phone I ever used. Or for that matter with someone else's SIM in my phone if their battery was empty or some such. pgpercY02wkt5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).
On Monday 05 March 2007 03:21:15 Florent THIERY wrote: Hey, great idea ! I'd be happy to use such a system. Yeah, it looks neat. I think I'd downscale the number of special chars though. I very much doubt you could actually read the characters on the Neo screen right now. But there's a problem i didn't find an answear to: - the neo will have a monopoint touchscreen (at least at first) - a finger is way bigger than a detectable area - What point will exactly be detected while pressing somewhere with a finger? I don't think those an issue here: you tap on the key (might want to scale it down to 6 keys, that still gives you 36 characters which is enough for just about any character based language I can think of), hold your finger, then move it towards the character you actually want. The phone doesn't actually need you to tap the character exactly, the direction of the vector of your fingers movement should be enough (with 6 adjacent characters, i.e. honeycomb [1] like layout, you still have a 60° field to hit)? [1] which brings me to the point that maybe round buttons aren't the most efficient way of doing it? pgpryc3sWXecp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).
On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpose :-) Hopefully, You soon learn where the keys are. Which gives rise to the question of how to best arrange them... Yes, it's that 'spalash' effect of adjacent keys that's the main concept, not the exact layout. However.. 36 keys may be good for entering contacts data... but I *want* a full-blown keyboard level of functionality. For me, a common use case is remote admin of servers with ssh... and any legacy terminal app may be used (completely unaware of 'mobile envirionment'). Add another button that allows to tap shortcuts (for example like it is done in some of the vnc clients). In general, I find I'm using LESS keys for terminal work than for text entry. YMMV. [1] which brings me to the point that maybe round buttons aren't the most efficient way of doing it? Round match hexagons well. Putting them in a square layout is suboptimal, I meant for the second level, where they are essentially already in a hexagonal shape... I think the size is close to optimal with 6 buttons wide (but it must be tested on a neo to be sure). The total area is not to big and high, and the 'drags' is not so long. If you use drag vectors instead of actual taps on the buttons, you might get away with very short drags, really. One question is if the scroll wheel is needed simultaneous with the keyboard. That would else leave room for 4 buttons (24 keys) more. But in that case maybe 5*3 with 'space' on the sides so all buttons can have all 7 combinations would be better... 5*3*7 - 105 keys. Do you really need all those keys? I generally don't. Then again, I don't plan on doing non emergency work in terminals either... And on a notebook you usually don't have all of them for direct access, either. pgpczEfdZkzC6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).
On Monday 05 March 2007 16:43:38 Florent THIERY wrote: For instance, type on a text input area; background (app) stays the same, the keyboard shows up, 80% transparent, but using optimized coloring (for instance, taking the exact negative of the background on every point), so that it's still readable. I don't think the first Neo based upon s3c2410 is powerful enough for transparency like that (yes that means the mockups on the wiki won't be real for a while). However, the summer refresh supposedly should be. pgpJxTyBPOntb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS - protocol specs?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 20:18:50 Ian Stirling wrote: A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite signals sent to the neo. Seems a lot easier to simply use the ones coming from the closed source module no? pgpZliSSR3u8C.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Protective Screen Foil
On Friday 09 March 2007 09:44:10 Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Good screen protector does not need changing. On Zaurus SL-5500 I have Brando protector, on Zaurus C760 another Brando and they both looks OK after few years of usage. With daily use and usually in my pocket, my P900 protectors looked kinda used after about 1 year. So three items for yearly replacement during a 3 year lifetime might not be the worst idea... But it's good to hear that there is already one applied! pgpOS1YB3Z3ew.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Protective Screen Foil
On Friday 09 March 2007 13:15:34 Elrond wrote: Is it normal, that one has to open the case to reapply/replace it? Since they are usually after market products that are used by the end user that's not the usual way. It however means that you will always have a small edge on the screen where the protector won't cover it which can be remedied by applying a slightly bigger one UNDER the case... pgp0qFYT1XOmT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Protective Screen Foil
On Friday 09 March 2007 13:22:55 Ian Stirling wrote: It's normal that you try to cut it to the exact right size, and then have a horrible task both replacing and removing it. I have never had much issue with replacing and removing then, then again I bought some custom tailored ones... pgpxCcU4sQBGF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: useability of phase 1 phones
On Saturday 10 March 2007 12:22:37 Andreas Hochsteger wrote: I'm exactly in the same situation and would also like to know if at least calling, addressbook and writing/receiving SMS works. That was originally the plan AFAI understand, anyway. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo as SBC
It just struck me that the Neo would be a nice SBC platform with basically zero development work on FICs part (possibly figure out what happens when you drop the GSM part but for some it might even be a plus to have it ;). Some would obviously cry about not having any Ethernet but for a spin off product with barely any development cost it could still make some sales ;) For example it could act as Bluetooth to HiFi MP3 decoder. Or when it gets WiFi, it even could replace those expensive and inflexible WLAN Audio to HiFi components. Or stick it into a box on your roof and have it act as weather station. For pluspoints, there's even a fully fledged development board available for it, already... And the board will be manufactured in mass production (so should be quite affordable compared to what many ARM SBC cost to end user) and there is already a well documented Linux stack for it that is making very fast progress... Just think about it: use the same hardware on your phone as in your next embedded device... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote: Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the next hw revision? I would very much welcome a standard SD slot anyhow. SD cards are available in bigger sizes than MicroSD. Possibly even better, retain the microsd slot for storage and add an fullsize SDIO one for well whatever people want ;) pgplCzTTQBG7o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 19:22:08 you wrote: Don't know how much re-work that would require, but I really like that idea. I already have 2GB and 4GB SD cards. I'm not overly thrilled about having to use a different format. SDIO has one disadvantage: the cards are rather pricey. The Spectec card is the cheapest by far and still retails for 75EUR in Switzerland... Ralink based USB Sticks are less than one third of that. pgp2rd5SPEQLH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Re: Crossroads
[the reply to issue bit me another time ;)] On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:51:00 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Marvell has some nice for larger devices (the 8388). But we need one specifically for mobile phones (like the 8686). If somebody can help us find the right vendor, we'll give you a free Neo1973. Well for starters it would help if you could give a somewhat more concise requirement ;) Aside of the aforementioned Ralink and Zydas (which USB works easily with Linux and doesn't even seem to need a firmware blob [1]). http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/293/ (posted on 2006-12-27) Atmel: For some things we do require non-disclosure agreements, but we are generally able to provide the API documentation and the firmware driver interface specifications for our hardware. As to why others may not be able to do this... well, our software is developed in-house, but others might out outsource their driver development to third-party companies, so they may not even have the documentation that a programmer requests. We usually provide driver source code, and we try to put it under the GPL if possible, so that's usually good enough if you want to write your own driver. If you want to see more than that, we generally require an NDA, or if you're an embedded customer, we provide reference platforms. Some of the Atmel drivers are even in 2.6.20 as is Zydas. Realtek and RAlink have similar statements of wanting to work with Linux vendors. And that investigation was done by someone who didnt actually want to buy anything. Realteks USB chips require 3.3V and 1.8V, 5V is tolerated for input. http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1PNid=24PFid=1Level=6Conn=5ProdID=36 they don't seem to support SPI. Realtek seems to think they are fit for use in phones and lists mobile phone as application area explicitely. Publically available data doesn't seem to list power consumption. Driver tarball on the site seems to consist of sources only. [1] I once looked at the driver tarball and didn't find it, in any case. It might still be hidden inside some variable deepdown in a source file. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I know why I dislike anonymous participants on mailinglists :( (
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:07:25 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andreas The wap APN does provide generic internet access. But the difference is that is uses a NAT'ed private IP address. Therefore you probably can't use it with a VPN (you would need PDA Connect if that is a requirement for you). But for basic browsing, it will work just fine. It's perhaps offtopic, but I run Cisco based VPN (using Linux vpnc) over my WRT54G NAT all the time with no issues whatsoever so NAT doesn't necessarily preclude you from using VPN. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Call-for-WiFi (was Re: Crossroads)
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:34:48 Harald Welte wrote: I've added this (and some more info) to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko I've added a link to http://www.zcomax.com/1mbfile/G%20product/XG-880M_specification%20.pdf to the wiki. prplague on #openmoko is working on a device with S3C24XX and that module. Sizewise, it seems ok. Power envelope I couldn't really find. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OpenMoko Make Coffee? - SoC Project Proposal
On Monday 19 March 2007 20:44:55 Ben Burdette wrote: A custom remote control app for the moko would be best, but a web browser interface would be fine too. IIRC there's a few Amarok scripts that expose a webinterface. Or you could look into Bemused. pgpFWOjuWX9n7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Regarding encryption on openmoko...
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 02:11:13 Tim Newsom wrote: After reading about truecrypt on slashdot I think that could pose as a suitable start to the encryption solution... At least as a starting place to build a framework on and test out some ideas. I don't really see why one would want to use Truecrypt when there's been LUKS in the Linux kernel for years now... pgpYLjKDfXNVy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 21:58:27 Jonathon Suggs wrote: My challenge is just to think bigger. Think how this could be incorporated to work with *any* phone. Then you can have a much larger group of people to brainstorm, test, and bugfix. We have enough protocols and standards to support. Creating yet another one isn't really going to help that much. Also, I don't know anyone else that is planning on getting a OpenMoko device, so its pretty pointless for me at this point. I know you've got to start somewhere, but starting out a battle fighting uphill isn't the best of ideas. I agree, instead of using a non standard SMS format, you better simply go the Jabber/$IM_OF_CHOICE route for which there are Java client's that would run on 100s of million cell phones right now. To make matters worse, it's not really feasible to send SMS (much less receive) with many Java implementations (and for good reasons) so this will mostly be constrained to OpenMoko devices... pgp3hZScqMceu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
On Thursday 22 March 2007 20:48:44 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: It's not necessary (which was one of my goals) -- if the pefs is mounted, any time the application reads or writes an encrypted file the Right Thing Happens. An encryption-aware application can request its databases be saved encrypted; the encryption manager would handle encrypting databases for unaware applications, after which the encryption would happen without any help from the application. I'm not entirely sure why one would need a new FUSE driver then. Can't you just use encfs (I gather you don't want LUKS because it needs setting Filesystem size in advance and I can see why one would want to avoid that [1]) and tell the apps to either use the encrypted tree or not? Then any app can be made to use the encryption features by virtue of providing it with proper paths. Things like unmounting on inactivity etc can easily be handled by a small user space daemon running besides FUSE then. And if you want to provide different levels of security, simply add more trees... [1] From a purely technicaly point of view, I much prefer LUKS to encfs though. I wonder if one could have dynamically growing LUKS volumes inside normal files? pgprpKxtPlMMM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
On Friday 23 March 2007 17:17:50 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: avoid that [1]) and tell the apps to either use the encrypted tree or not? Then any app can be made to use the encryption features by virtue of providing it with proper paths. Yes, but I want to be able to have both an encrypted /home/pfeiffer/file1.txt and an unencrypted /home/pfeiffer/file2.txt ~/file1 and ~/encrypted/file2 seems a lot easier to implement AND use to me... pgpHoxbJtnUi0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
On Friday 23 March 2007 18:01:09 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: ~/file1 and ~/encrypted/file2 seems a lot easier to implement AND use to me... Implement, yes (since it's already been done). Use? I don't think so. You can actually use it right now, with almost every app (except for those broken enough to use hardcoded filenames), without any hacking. Most of the neat features mentioned above are app level anyhow which is very well possible... Now, for a (IMHO) truly useful extension: find a way to cache writes and encrypt them with a public key so that creating new files (for example because you just received a SMS) can work while the phone is locked. Once the phone is unlocked, decrypt the data and store it in the encrypted FS. Maybe it's just me, but pefs seems vastly over engineered. Which is generally a bad thing when it comes to encryption... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote: Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones). Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual damage is not very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards. As for the rest, I agree with Joe. pgpMzUM8lvQW1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adapter for MicroSD Card
On Tuesday 27 March 2007 17:00:37 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Will there be a standard SD card adapter for reading/writing to the included microSD card from a PC? I'm getting ready to purchase a card reader and wanted to know if I also needed to purchase an adapter. If so, were can you buy just the adapters? I dont know in general, but all Sandisk microsd cards I've seen have been shipped with microSD to SD adapters. pgpWljWkvlpxD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio I/O questions
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 00:52:20 Robert Michel wrote: Ahh.. I can hear it with the Neo1973 headset as well, wenn I pull out the headset for 0,7mm - mybe my 2,5 mm 4 pin jack is not accurat enough. Not strictly what you asked, but working adapter jacks for Moto V360 (which as I understand would work) can be had on Ebay for 20cents plus shipping... pgp5mnOuLAaKY.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Blacklist/whitelists
On Friday 06 April 2007 15:56:02 Martin Raißle wrote: actually i'm not sure if you can block text messages ... maybe someone knows better .. . Well obviously the phone would receive them, but you could easily have some rules whether they should be displayed or immediately discarded after that... pgp5kS6qmjNhP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pimlico
On Sunday 15 April 2007 21:14:13 Esra Kummer wrote: They use gtk+ so i thought that would interest some of you. Note that OpenedHand already works on OpenMoko software AND even has OpenMoko screenshots... pgpxs0dRqfsQR.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some light ahead...
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 01:51:45 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Oh and Imre Kaloz gets a freed phone, too. Thanks for being the first to tell us about Atheros. We're almost for sure going to use their AR6K chipset in our next product. I just have to ask: is there any broad schedule / specs for the P1.5 phone already? pgpazAnfGwp8H.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio Jack 2.5 mm
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 11:21:05 t3st3r wrote: These adapters are popular up to some degree due to some portable devices using 2.5 mm jacks, but still this adds some headache with finding such adapter.That's not fair, at least for me. You mean like the trouble of going to ebay and order one? From what I understand, Motorola V360 adapters will work (which might well be true, they look identical at least) and those are really cheap and widely available. pgpp1gwzOBqpl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How many FOSS developers users Worldwide?
On Saturday 12 May 2007 11:07:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community! Hopefully you guys can help me. I'm trying to find the number of FOSS developers and users worldwide for some marketing related presentations but just can't seem to find any solid numbers. It would also be very interesting to see how this number compares to the number of developers worldwide. Does anyone have any good links they could send me? I dont think any reliable data exists, but as far as users go, Firefox market share might give a lower bound that should not be too far removed from the truth. However, I think you first need a definition just what constitutes a OSS user as technically, all OSX users use Webkit which is OSS (there are numerous other examples like that). As for developers I don't really have a good idea, but you could start with looking at sourceforge stats maybe? pgpU0AdTUqtgX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 15:16:30 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: You are right, and that was before some years. They used this concept in the whole P-Series except the newest one (P990i) afaik. For all I can tell, my P900 uses REAL buttons pushing them makes nothing come out of the back of the flip, that one is quite solid. pgpwJScquV2CD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellphone-sized X86 PC motherboard potential OpenMoko platform?
On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:10:56 Thomas Gstädtner wrote: ARM9 Chips are under 10 million, VIA C7 about 25 million, Intel Core2Duo about 300 million, IBM Power6 800 million. ARM9 is not comparable to C7 (C3 might be somewhere around that) which is not in the same league as Core2 which again is in a different league than Power6. Heck, the Core2 has 4MB Cache and TWO CPU in there. And Power6 has giant amounts of cache. pgp4ko1ZJ7zqZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Monday 11 June 2007 19:00:42 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I totally agree with your points. Please keep in mind that this was our first design. And that we are using an ID design that simply wasn't made for what this project has become. It was originally designed for a completely different usage scenario. Will you be able to give basic information (like form factor) on those new devices at the time GTA-01 will ship? That would certainly be hopeful for many of us... pgpdDPGPuP0r4.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: standard API for linux phones?
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:19:34 Paul A. Lambert wrote: compatible this group is at least in philosophy. The participation is closed, the forum allows patented code (as long as the license is non-discriminatory). Even with these issues, I'd still be very interested in seeing what they are cooking up. From what I understood looking at their documents, they are currently soliciting a reference implementation of a Linux phone (software and hardware, OpenMoko should work for software and Neo might fit hardware, albeit they have something about a serial port in their requirements and VGA display is not clearly allowed, either). pgpemVd0bvieY.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:21:36 Jim Thompson wrote: parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. Uhm the SVN is public and people actively run the software in qemu? pgpcczpM28B9b.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-02 doesn't take much longer, would be a bad thing why? pgp2FXhrprjMx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wishlist item: Side-mounted touch strip sensor
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:39:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an idea which was floated on the SVHMPC list a few months ago. The only possible issue is those people who are left-handed. Perhaps a strip on each side would be the best way to go. :-) I think the HTC S620 has something like this (their Blackberry looking device if I got the model number wrong) if anyone wants to see it in real life (I haven't). Personally, I'd prefer a 5 way scroll wheel like on my SE P900,though. pgpBdP3Ix5aas.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Clarification Rant
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 01:12:18 Ryan Prior wrote: I'm in the same situation. I need a phone, no question. The Neo 1973 is the phone I want, no question. The question is this: will the Neo1973 with WiFi be available by the time I cannot live without a phone for any longer? How about getting the cheapest phone you can find? Around here there are 15EUR phones without contract (but sim locked to one carrier)... pgper5OJTwjNv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;) pgp2NoiiMkAn7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Re: New Oceans
On Sunday 01 July 2007 06:25:06 Justin Mazzi wrote: How much bandwidth is needed? Do you have a system in place for selling the phone online? I think he refers to company bandwidth (i.e. resources to organize sales etc), not internet bandwidth pgpLMc3pj7aax.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Packet encryption possibilities?
On Monday 02 July 2007 01:56:09 Patrick Madden wrote: One of my research interests is encryption, and cell phones clearly need some help. Will hacking along these lines be possible in the upcoming release? The chip sets used in the phone might not expose enough to do this, and if it's not possible, I'd like to know early! It should be possible in GSM data mode (which gives you 9600bit/s), but it's gonna be expensive on most networks. I doubt ping times are good enough on GPRS for it to work. pgpbP8v8POGvR.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)
On Monday 02 July 2007 12:31:00 Nick Johnson wrote: certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;) The GPS chip in Neo can work without any support from the network whatsoever, just takes him a bit longer to get precise position data. pgpIZflsyEDcc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
