Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
The main concern I would have is making certain that with the 3 year copy of the OS, you would need to build a slipstream disc that contains all the relevant SPs and critical updates. I "think" you'd still be able to get them from MS but the new Dell would be vulnerable if you tried to do all the updates on line. As had been said before, Dell BIOS-locks the OS to a Dell only. FWIW, I believe HP does the same. YMMV > 2. I have the disks that came with the Dell that was destroyed, which > includes a CD of Windows XP that I have a legal license for. Is there any > reason it wouldn't work for me to order a new Dell, format the new hard > drive and run that CD? > > Thanks in advance for any help -- "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." - Douglas Adams * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the updates just fine. Slipstreaming is only necessary when you install the OS from scratch many times. If you are doing a one-time install, it's a waste of time. If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. You can always have someone else download the XP SP2 admin install and burn it to a disk. That way you can install the OS and the SP without plugging in the network cable. But again, this is a lot of work and time just to avoid using the current OS. Vista won't scare the horses in the street nor lose the war for the allies. It just wants a LOT of hardware to work its mojo properly. > -Original Message- > The main concern I would have is making certain that with the 3 year > copy of the OS, you would need to build a slipstream disc that > contains all the relevant SPs and critical updates. I "think" you'd > still be able to get them from MS but the new Dell would be vulnerable > if you tried to do all the updates on line. As had been said before, > Dell BIOS-locks the OS to a Dell only. FWIW, I believe HP does the > same. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
>This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the >updates just fine... >If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Some people will tell you with confidence that you can walk barefoot on hot coals. I say: let them do it. Call me paranoid if it makes you feel good. If you have a hardware firewall and you are sure that it has everything properly locked down and you don't do anything else but go straight to Windows update and you said your prayers, you should be able to pull this off. Be quick about going for those updates. >But again, this is a lot of work and time just to avoid using the current >OS. Vista won't scare the horses in the street nor lose the war for the >allies. It just wants a LOT of hardware to work its mojo properly. Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy has all the right specs. Getting all the drivers you need for an XP install is not going to be a picnic either. So your XP driver problems may turn out to be as bad as they would be for Vista. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
There. Fixed that for you. --- Now you know why Apple is so confident about future OS X sales. You may be better off following Mac user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the Mac you buy has all the right specs. > Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. > > You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: > succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you > to > stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy > has > all the right specs. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
[CGUYS] Wireless in the UK ?
Listmembers - When I last spent much time in the UK (1997 ) I had to search out internet cafes or rare connections in private homes to get online. Are there wireless ISPs now who cover the UK , and which a tourist can buy into for a month at a time or so ? Thanks for any ideas or advice , [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
"You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9." 1. Mac had a change of microprocessor. Windows did not. The change was because although at the introduction of the IBM PPC, it was superior to the Intel offering, over the years, Intel worked hard and pulled ahead while IBM's progress was shallow. This was beyond Apple's control and could not be foreseen. To Apple's credit, after the switch to Mac OS X, they made it possible, for many years, to run Mac OS 9 and OS X *at the same time* on PPC machines; stopping this ability only after the switch to a completely different microprocessor. 2. Mac OS X is far superior to Mac OS 9, and the new microprocessor is superior to the old one, so you gain a lot by switching. Vista is not far superior to XP. You gain very little by switching. I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless you use a third party virtualization program. You can re-boot the Mac and run it in XP. Probably someone will figure out how to re-boot the Mac and choose either XP or Vista! There. Fixed that for you. --- Now you know why Apple is so confident about future OS X sales. You may be better off following Mac user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the Mac you buy has all the right specs. Now you know why MS is so confident about future Vista sales. You may be better off following Windows user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with XP. Might as well do it now. Just make sure the PC you buy has > all the right specs. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Here I go...in troubles...
No, it fixed...just a cable was loose in the third computer. Thank you Marcio At 08:20 PM 8/31/2007, Marcio V. Pinheiro wrote: I thought my problem was fixed... It lasted for a little while. NOT SOLVED... Marcio * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
> You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you > to stay with XP. Ever the silly jingoist, eh? MS is supporting XP at the consumer level for 10 years after release, until 2011. http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/94957/94957.html But, if you ever have any questions, you can always go to the MS support lifecycle page. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/ > Getting all the drivers you need for an XP install is not going to be a > picnic either. So your XP driver problems may turn out to be as bad as > they would be for Vista. That depends on who makes your hardware. Dell makes it very easy. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
> Vista is not far superior to XP. You gain very little by switching. I would agree, except in the area of security. Vista is nice to look at, but it's iterative over XP. Still, if you get it with a new PC, why jump through expensive or time-consuming hoops to *not* run it? > I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless > you use a third party virtualization program. > > You can re-boot the Mac and run it in XP. Probably someone will > figure out how to re-boot the Mac and choose either XP or Vista! Of course you can dual boot a PC with either XP or Vista, just like with BootCamp. But you can't run OS X on a PC, not because of Microsoft or PC hardware restrictions, but thanks to the Glorious Leader. He won't allow that. "Mac OS X for Intel will not boot on machines sold by other PC manufactures, according to Apple vice president Phil Schiller. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said. Schiller calmed concerns that Apple might lose sales to manufacturers of cheaper PCs if Mac OS X could run on such machines." http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/08/schiller.on.os.x.on.pcs/ "It is not possible to run Mac OS X under Virtual PC on Windows, due to licensing restrictions and anti-piracy measures in Mac OS X." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_PC Parallels is a virtualized environment, as is VMWare or Virtual PC. Just don't ask to run OS X in any of them. http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/2/9/6983 * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
I'm not quite clear on this. Are we saying that MS should continue to sell both XP and Vista indefinitely? Does Apple do that? < I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless you use a third party virtualization program.> Actually, MS's VirtualPC will do that just fine, and it's free. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:37:23 -0400, "Chris Dunford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > with XP> How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? I would bet that most programs will run much faster in XP. I have a 133mh Win98se machine just back from the shop and an almost new Acer 2gh XP machine. The 98 machine takes a really long time to boot and a moderate time to shut down. However, several programs start faster on the 98 machine and do simple tasks much faster than the XP machine! Bloat,bloat,bloat or simply M$. Be at Peace. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP
How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? That's a good question, but it's always been that way. Every generation of OS adds capabilities that leverage hardware. If I want DX-10, I will have to go to Vista at some point. Not right now, but probably within a year. I would bet that most programs will run much faster in XP. You'd be making a good bet, for now. Maybe not "much" faster, but certainly noticeably faster when it comes to games. This may be primarily a driver issue. XP has been around for long enough to be a pretty stable and optimized OS. It definitely wasn't that way when it launched. Until SP2, XP wasn't that great. I hear Vista isn't broken, but it needs time and work to mature. And yes, it will want more than lowest common denominator hardware to run optimally, but what OS besides Linux doesn't? * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header "X-No-Archive: yes" will not be archived
