Re: [Cooker] IMPORTANT: Proposal for Mandrake 7.3 documentation
Hi, Even better: Why not integrate all user manuals into the KDE/Nautilus-Helpbrowsers (i.e. add them to the tree on the left, Index, Full-text-search)? Michael - Original Message - From: "Prana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cooker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: [Cooker] IMPORTANT: Proposal for Mandrake 7.3 documentation > Hiya, > I want Mandrake to look more professional (it is already professional > since v7.02, and we'll make it much better) in 7.3, especially with user > documentation. Why not we put documentation icon in section > "Documentation" menu /usr/lib/menu since there are only 3 menu items > currently. > > For example: > > [+]Documentation menu folder > - Beginner's Guide to Linux (rute-pdf) >[+]GTK and GDK > - Guide to GTK Development > (/usr/share/doc/gtk+-devel-1.2.8/html/gtk_toc.html) > - Guide to GDK Development > (/usr/share/doc/gtk+-devel-1.2.8/html/gdk_toc.html) > >[+]Apache > - Apache Manual (/usr/share/doc/apache-manual-1.3.14/index.html) > - Apache Java server (/usr/share/doc/ApacheJServ-1.1.2/index.html) > >[+]PostgreSQL menu folder: > - Postgresql-HOWTO > - Postgresql Administration Help > (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.0.2/admin/index.html) > - Postgresql Programming Help > (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.0.2/programmer/index.html) > - Postgresql Tutorial > (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.0.2/tutorial/index.html) > - Postgresql User Help > (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.0.2/user/index.html) > - Postgresql FAQ (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-7.0.2/FAQ_Linux) > >[+] etc > > This will help user to understand better about how to use it, about > security, about administration, etc. I hope core developers of Mandrake > accepts my proposal. Since I don't have any write access to Mandrake's > CVS, I hope someone will take care of it. > > Thank you, > Prana > > -- > Prana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.cyest.org > My GnuPG Key ID: 0x33343FD3 (2000-07-21) > Key fingerprint = F1FB 1F76 8866 0F40 A801 D9DA 6BED 6641 3334 3FD3 > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x33343FD3 >
RE: [Cooker] RPM(S) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend...
Well, I read this thread (actually only part of it because people tend to repeat themselves) and I am quite amazed about some of the unfounded rumours about .RPM- and .DEB-package formats. *Both* check for dependencies. DEBs are NOT TGZs with scripts attached (that's SLP, used by Stampede Linux). The main "usability features" of APT are: 1. It manages multiple sources for packages, eg. you could have a CD-ROM, multiple FTP-sites (stable packages, unstable packages, security updates, ...) and some files on your harddisk. All those packages would be in a central database which also includes dependency-information. The tool simply downloads a tgz-file from the FTP-server and merges it into the local database. This is (AFAIK) also possible with kpackage (not sure if it works with remote packages, though). 2. When trying to upgrade a package it will also try to update all other packages which depend on it (in your Gimp 2.0 example most of Gnome would propably be suggested for an update too). 3. When you try to install/uninstall a package other packages depend upon (which cannot be fixed) you are warned (same as in RPM). There are also "recommended" packages as well as packages which exclude each other. (same as in RPM?) 4. You can run "unattended" upgrades (i.e. without having to check each package for an upgrade) simply from the command-line. This would check for "stable" updates to installed packages, which don't result in any dependency-problems and install them. This even works when updating the whole distribution. 5. dpkg itself (which is the equivalent to the "rpm"-command-line-tool) has several sets of "force"-switches, one of them ignoring dependencies, which is NOT the default! dpkg is not really that much better than rpm, it's mainly apt which is the "more powerful" feature. That is propably all that really matters (to the user) in the ways of choosing a "right" package-format. Also keep in mind that RPM is currently being / has recently been refreshed... Michael -Original Message- From: Frank Meurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] RPM(S) worst enemy but Mandrake's best friend... On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Frank Meurer wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bryan Paxton wrote: [...] > > > Also, how do we stop all the --forces ? I know from my brief experience with > > > debian I _never_ had to force a package to install. The question is, is this > > > a result of bad maintaining of the .spec files ? Or is this simply RPM's ugly > > > side ? Remember, too many --forces can corrupt a DB and turn-off a user from > > > even wanting to mess with said package. > > Er... in this case above "--force" won't work IMHO! > > > > hrmmm ? what won't work ? IMHO "--force" won't work but "--nodeps" will work. I don't know because I don't use "--force"! :-)) [...] > *nod* but why not jump in ahead to offer something appealing and easy to manage > for the sys admin ? Ahh! That's the point! You say: deb is easy to use (or easy to manage). Jose says: rpm is easy because it protects user from doing wrong. I say: Now we should define "easy"... :-) [...] - Why do programmers always get Christmas and Halloween mixed up? Because DEC 25 = OCT 31 Sending unsolicited commercial email to this address may be a violation of the Washington State Consumer Protection Act, chapter 19.86 RCW. Das Verschicken unverlangter kommerzieller email an diese Adresse ist verboten (LG Traunstein, 2 HK O 3755/97 vom 14.10.1997, CR 1998, 171f). (Frank Meurer, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PGP ID: 0x5E756DA8)
RE: [Cooker] What's the use of DrakConf?
Not really true. There are already tools in the KDE-Control-Panel which require root-access (the Laptop/Powermanagement-settings). It also manages some "general" settings (like Time/Date). Also in most other operating systems (eg. Mac, Windows, Beos) there is a central "Control-Panel" for both system-settings and "interface-settings". Since many users come from those "different" OSes the approach of having several different places to search for a tool (What about time-zone - this is a traditionally user-level setting? What about Font-Installation - this is usually quite desktop-interface related?) is making the computer look too complex by far... Also keep in mind that even DrakConf accesses external tools like LinuxConf which duplicate features... The problem of having features only available to root is easily solved by adding a small "lock"-icon (see http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/shot2.html) to the control-panel-applet which allows a user to "su" (or in this case propably kdesu) to root. Finally Corel did this, too, in their distribution. It's quite handy to have all settings in one place... Michael Kaixo! On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 02:45:06PM +0200, Michael Beurskens wrote: > Or even better: > Integrate the features of the DrakConf-Tools into the > control-panels/-centers of KDE and Gnome... I don't think it is necessarly a good idea. DrakConf includes tools to manage the system/hardware/distribution; they need root access, and are very specific to the distribution. Gnome/KDE/whatever control panels manage their own GUI environment and user setting, they don't need special privileges, and they are independent of the distribution (only of the GUI environment). Those are qite different things, and it is nice to have them separated I think. -- Ki ça vos våye bén, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.srtxg.easynet.be/PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975
RE: [Cooker] What's the use of DrakConf?
Or even better: Integrate the features of the DrakConf-Tools into the control-panels/-centers of KDE and Gnome... Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Cooker] What's the use of DrakConf? Why is DrakConf useful? It looks like it's just a program to start other configuration utilities. Wouldn't it be better to start these utilities through the standard menu system? That would certainly be a simpler solution, and it would slightly reduce the amount of software that needs to be maintained. -- Matt Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Web site: http://www.crosswinds.net/~mattcamp/ ICQ #: 33005941
RE: [Cooker] 7.1 install of XFree86 4.0 fails - and now works!
I'd like to see it, too... Michael -Original Message- From: Dean Irvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.1 install of XFree86 4.0 fails - and now works! I'll take a copy of that config file if you're still offering Dean Irvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, you wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Anton Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 5:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] 7.1 install of XFree86 4.0 fails > > > > Submitted 12-Jun-00 by Guillaume Rousse: > > > Got the same problem, with a voodoo3 card. > > > Launching startx resulted in : > > > This should not happen! An unresolved function was called! > > > I got mine running. > > Dual head in 7.1! Woohoo! > > I ran XFree86 -config then looked at my working (in the other installation) > config file and the new one and came up with one that worked. The most > important thing was to modify the /etx/X11/X link to point to the version 4 > binary. I emailed more detailed steps to Tom at MUO to help get his 7.1 > bug-fixes page started. 8) > > I will send a copy of my XF86Config file to anyone who wants it. > > Now on to KDE2. I see updated packages have been posted to the cooker ftp > site. > > Hoyt
[Cooker] Xfree86 4.0 in Mandrake 7.1 Final
Hi, I'm currently trying to get Xfree86 4.0 working with my Voodoo 3 3000 board (which is supposedly supported). XFDrake (or whatever it's called) claimed to create a Xfree86 4.0 configuration - yet all I got was an error-message and XFree86 3.3.6 (though a seemingly "good" configuration-file was generated). Changing the symlink /usr/X11R6/bin/X to point to /usr/X11R6/bin/xfree86 doesn't work - all I get is a white screen when running startx and my system hangs up. What is required to make it work? Michael
Re: [Cooker] Desktop Update Updates From Where?
> > Does the desktop update in cooker update from the cooker ftp sites? (I don't > > have cooker installed or I could answer my own question.) It would be nice if cooker was able to check what packages have changed and make them available through MandrakeUpdate. Yet this seems to be not the case right now. > Ditto here. I had cooker installed (but because of it not being fully up to > date, I reverted back to 6.0), and it did not appear that way. You propably mean 6.1? Michael
Re: [Cooker] panoramix.diff
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From: Mandrake Bugs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Cooker] panoramix.diff
> > According to my (german) English-Dictionary should the english billion
> > compared to the german "Milliarde" what is 1,000,000,000.
>
> Yep, some of the more facinating forms of 'loss in translation'
>
> billion = milliarde
> trillion = billiarde?
No, it's Billion :->
The idea is that in german you always switch between
{mi-,bi-,tri-,quadri-,...} "-llion" and "-lliarde".
In english you don't have the "-lliarde", so you progress much faster.
> How does the progression go in German?
>
> Never understood why salt (NaCL0
Shouldn't that be NaCl?
> is 'natrium' in the rest of the world, and
> 'sodium' in English speaking countries (while the chemical sign is 'Na' -
> but I digress :-)
Well, the chemical sign "C" stands for "Kohlenstoff" (carbon) in german, and
"O" stands for "Sauerstoff" (Oxygenium). So this isn't exactly intuitive,
too. (The chemical symbols are from the latin words, so they are propably
most intuitive in italian?).
Michael
[Cooker] Athlon optimizations?
Will Mandrake 6.1 or later be available in Athlon-optimized versions (see http://aboutlinux.com/art_k7opt1_a.html)? Will at least the bugs that made it impossible to use Mandrake on an Athlon (see http://www.cpureview.com/rev_k7-linux1_b.html) be fixed? As I am going to buy a new computer soon and plan to get an Athlon this would indeed be a good thing to know... Michael
