Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm)
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 04:41, Leon Brooks wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29, Buchan Milne wrote: You see, instead of making it easy for a user to log in as root to do tasks, we must remove the necessity for them to do the tasks ... Agree. The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good. Absolutely, and then make sure that the utility does what it says it can do. I've lost count how many times I've clicked KDE su's keep password and then been asked for the password the next time. If it is not meant to keep the password at a certain security level then the check-box should not be there, be greyed out, whatever. Try Ignore to continue with your current privileges and the same dialogue returns. Explain that type of thing to a teacher, trying to work with a class of 30 odd screaming 11/12 year olds, with no time to discuss the niceties of security, because Netscape has screwed up again on two or three terminals. They'll be logged in as root next time, it's a question of priorities and self preservation. I joined a company 20 years ago who had totally solved the diverse permission problems on the Altos unix machines they supplied to customers to run their software. They had a shell script that did chmod 777 on everything, solved the problem, perfectly. -- Dave Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm)
Le Mardi 5 Août 2003 08:07, Dave Cotton a écrit : I joined a company 20 years ago who had totally solved the diverse permission problems on the Altos unix machines they supplied to customers to run their software. They had a shell script that did chmod 777 on everything, solved the problem, perfectly. Exactly like people who drive their motor bike on a road at twice the maximum authorized speed. They don't live old. -- Pierre Jarillon - http://pjarillon.free.fr/ Vice-président de l'ABUL : http://abul.org/
Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm) [OT]
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 7:41 am, Leon Brooks honored me with this communique: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:41, Leon Brooks a écrit : The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good. sudo but it's true that for example just to clean align inkjet head printers u need raw access to the device, so root privileges. And sudo may not be always the solution. True, especially when the problem is tinkering with the printer settings in CUPS through the browser. Yes, I can add authentication to let her do that, but how is J Random MSCE to know that? Cheers; Leon Well, in my experience, J. Random MSCE is overpaid and underinformed, even about Windows. I sure as shootin' wouldn't trust him/her to do *anything* involving Linux or Unix. For example, the resident expert where I work has his MSCE, but is widely known as the *last* person you want to call to solve any kind of Windows problems. He can't even install software in such a way that it is usable. We call him nimrod (when we are trying very hard to be polite). Then we ring up one of the non-MSCE admins to fix our broken boxen. I swear, he costs us more in down-time than he earns. Of course, I'm a contract PC board designer, so I earn even more than he does. Plus I've been using Windows since he was in short pants. To be fair, it isn't the MSCE that makes these nimrods dangerous; it is the fact that their supervisors think that the MSCE makes them more knowledgeable than the guys who have many years of real-life experience. Jay (Recovering Windows hacker) -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison
Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm)
Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:41, Leon Brooks a écrit : On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29, Buchan Milne wrote: You see, instead of making it easy for a user to log in as root to do tasks, we must remove the necessity for them to do the tasks ... Agree. The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good. sudo but it's true that for example just to clean align inkjet head printers u need raw access to the device, so root privileges. And sudo may not be always the solution. My experience : a workstation with NFS /home. only one local user : root. If I want the secretary to be able to clean her printer, I put kups and mtink ( the printer is an Epson SC 1160 ) in sudo with root rights, without password. mtink is right, the pb is kups. If she launch the sudoed kups, it won't work ( unable to create socket or find DCOP bla bla bla ). If I want this work, I have first to launch kups as root, and after if she launch the sudoed kups it will works ! so for me no interest because I will have to launch kups as root ( with su ) at least one time before she launch the sudoed kups if she has reboot the computer. The pb seems to be that when launch with sudo, kups try to make DCOP socket as root but in the home directory of the user, but as on NFS share root = nobody , no way. When i launch kups after a su, it create the DCOP in the root directory, when the user launch the sudoed kups, it take this DCOP or at least is able to run.
Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm)
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:43, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:41, Leon Brooks a écrit : The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good. sudo but it's true that for example just to clean align inkjet head printers u need raw access to the device, so root privileges. And sudo may not be always the solution. True, especially when the problem is tinkering with the printer settings in CUPS through the browser. Yes, I can add authentication to let her do that, but how is J Random MSCE to know that? Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] need for root password (was: dm)
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29, Buchan Milne wrote: You see, instead of making it easy for a user to log in as root to do tasks, we must remove the necessity for them to do the tasks ... Agree. The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good. Cheers; Leon
