Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
>On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 07:21 PM, Henrik Edlund wrote: > >>On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, targon wrote: >> >>t> is a very fast an stable OS. After a few days use i think its slower >>t> than OS X on my Dual 500 G4. Aside from the speed issue's i must say im >>t> a little disappointed in the usability of the OS. >> >>Well, on my iBook2-500 (384MB) Mandrake 8.2 is about 10 times as fast >>doing most operations compared to MacOSX 1.1.5. Also MacOSX is so damn >>unstable it can hardly be used. I have at least one application crasch >>every day I run it, and I hate having to reboot after doing certain >>upgrades. MacOSX really sucks - let's see if Apple can release something >>usable within a few years maybe. >> > >Interesting, there must be something terribly wrong with mandrake on >my Dual G4 then. It often takes up to 10 seconds to open a new >window up from the item in the right mouse click menu. I fresh >installed and only installed the packages on the left side of the >mandrake package installer..that is the workstation packages (not >games tho or scientific), i didn't install any of the server >packages. > >Often the Mandrake control center just hangs an becomes >unresponsive. BTW what is the command to force quit an app? >Control,Alt, Delete seems to force quit the window manager an then >logs me out. Sometimes other apps just hang an the system becomes >unresponsive. I use Gnome, could this be the place where the >problems stem from? I don't think Linux it self has crashed. I do not have lot of experienc of MDK 8.2 PPC or OSX yet, but I think that there are a lot more problems with dual processor support in mdk 8.2 than in OSX or single processor. I have experimented with both OSX and MDK. I have not had any problems with OSX. My best experiences with MDK and dual processor support were with 8.2 B when I compiled kernel 2.4.18(I think) myself. Then everything seemed to work all right. With ready compiled kernels I had a lot of problems. Now with latest kernel versions I have not had time to try yet. >>t> Is it just me having a miserable time with it or is this a standard >>t> life in Linux on PPC? >> >>As Obi-Wan said, it all depends on your point of view. To me OSX is >>miserable unusable, while Linux is perfect. And in the spririt of free >>software - if you don't like something - just dig in and fix it... :-) >> >>Best regards, >> >> Henrik > >While i agree OS X is far from perfect, for a first time user >experience it's significantly smoother to install an start using >without any hicupps. at least in my experience. Under Linux, the >first 2 apps i tryed to configure (mandrake center, evolution mail) >either hung an became unresponsive, or threw up an error at launch >time. Thats not a very good start. When i decided to uninstall >Mozilla from the mandrake software uninstaller i was forced to log >out and the machine wouldn't let me log in resulting in a >re-installation. Maybe im just very unlucky an my hardware is not >suitable for mandrake linux but on the whole i get the feeling that >Linux is no better than windows. It just seems to be unpredictable >an does many freaky things. I Shall investigate Linux under AMD >hardware, perhaps things are a little smoother and easier access to >the newest versions of software. I think that important factors between OSX and Linux is, that linux is significally lighter at least if you do not need graphical interface all the time. With OSX I think that it is not possible to shut down graphical part and the graphics demands more resources. Other fact is to what os you can find easier the software you want to work with. These are just my opinions. Regards, Arto > >I have totally become very much attached to the "Galeon" web >browser, altho the version with 8.2 mandrakeppc is very old and >buggy i assume the newer version is much more mature. But the newer >versions seems unlikely to work on PPC due to it's dependence on >Mozilla 1.0. Hopefully on the x86 side things are rosier. > >I like the UI customization in Gnome using Sawfish but i was curious >as to if it is possible to customize it further? Im a long time mac >user an find it unsettling to see the cancel button on the far right >corner of dialogs. I'd like to be able to swap the buttons around so >the ok button is on the far right. Additionally, i'd like some >global way of assigning specific key commands to every app system >wide.. eg Command+Q for quit. I notice some apps use alt+f4 while >others use control+q and others respond to nothing. Are these things >possible to anyones knowledge? > >Does anyone think Gnome 2.0 will be a significant improvement on the >version shipped with 8.2 Mandrake PPC? > >Regards -- -- :^) - (^: --- Arto Leskinen Tel. +358 9 2291 2242Finnish Association of Graduate Engineers TEK Fax. +358 9 2291 2911Ratavartijankatu 2, FIN-00520 Helsinki GSM+358
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Ben Reser wrote: BR> dependent upon the way the developer who wrote the software coded it. But in good apps you can control it via Xresources. -- http://www.edlund.org/
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 10:25:58PM +0800, Targon wrote: > Interesting, there must be something terribly wrong with mandrake > on my Dual G4 then. It often takes up to 10 seconds to open a new > window up from the item in the right mouse click menu. I fresh > installed and only installed the packages on the left side of the > mandrake package installer..that is the workstation packages (not > games tho or scientific), i didn't install any of the server > packages. Which app does it take so long to open? > Often the Mandrake control center just hangs an becomes > unresponsive. BTW what is the command to force quit an app? > Control,Alt, Delete seems to force quit the window manager an > then logs me out. Sometimes other apps just hang an the system > becomes unresponsive. I use Gnome, could this be the place where > the problems stem from? I don't think Linux it self has crashed. Ctrl+Alt+Escape, you'll get a funky cursor. Just click on the app you want to kill. > >t> Is it just me having a miserable time with it or is this a standard > While i agree OS X is far from perfect, for a first time user > experience it's significantly smoother to install an start using > without any hicupps. at least in my experience. Under Linux, the > first 2 apps i tryed to configure (mandrake center, evolution > mail) either hung an became unresponsive, or threw up an error at > launch time. Thats not a very good start. evolution has a lot of issues. It's a rather new email client. A lot of people have trouble making it work at all. I've had no problem with the Control Center. Not sure why you had a problem. Just keep in mind that you can't blame the OS for the apps failures. > When i decided to > uninstall Mozilla from the mandrake software uninstaller i was > forced to log out and the machine wouldn't let me log in > resulting in a re-installation. Not that I've ever uninstalled Mozilla but I find it hard to believe that it made you log out. I don't even think there is any code in rpmdrake to do that. Let alone rpm. > Maybe im just very unlucky an my > hardware is not suitable for mandrake linux but on the whole i > get the feeling that Linux is no better than windows. It just > seems to be unpredictable an does many freaky things. I Shall > investigate Linux under AMD hardware, perhaps things are a little > smoother and easier access to the newest versions of software. I don't think you're unlucky. Perhaps you just are expecting it to work like the MacOS. One of my biggest problems with OS X is it's workflow. I absolutely hate the tray, it's confusing as to what's open and what's docked. And I've seen the MacOS do lots of "freaky" things. My opinion was probably partly due to my expectations and how I work. > I like the UI customization in Gnome using Sawfish but i was > curious as to if it is possible to customize it further? Im a > long time mac user an find it unsettling to see the cancel button > on the far right corner of dialogs. I'd like to be able to swap > the buttons around so the ok button is on the far right. > Additionally, i'd like some global way of assigning specific key > commands to every app system wide.. eg Command+Q for quit. I > notice some apps use alt+f4 while others use control+q and others > respond to nothing. Are these things possible to anyones > knowledge? To my knowledge neither of these are possible. Unfortunately Linux apps are not consistent in the interface design. Though many KDE or Gnome applications are to each other. Partly that is because there are many different opinions as far as what is right. And unlike windows or the macos. There is no one sitting there saying "This is the way it should be done. You have to do it this way to be able to stick a compatability sticker on your software." So freedom of doing things the way the developers (and in all cases also the users) prefer wins out. Additionally, you run into apps that are fairly old and tend to do things the older X style rather than the newer Windows/Mac way. E.G. Alt as the primary modifier instead of Control. All this can be confusing. But you get used to it after a while. At any rate the keyboard shortcuts and the button order are entirely dependent upon the way the developer who wrote the software coded it. -- Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://ben.reser.org We tend to see all wars through the lens of the current conflict, and we mine history for lessons convenient to the present purpose. - Brian Hayes
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Targon wrote: T> Really? Can you tell me how to do this and what file to download? I T> have been asking about Mozilla 1.0 for days now an the boss's around T> here say its not working. When u say compile do u mean to say there T> isnt just an installer file you double click to install the app like T> Mac OS? The pre-compiled that mozilla.org offer is linked against too old libraries. Hence I had to compile my own to get a working Mozilla on Mandrake 8.2. I am sure there are RPMS out there for Mandarake 8.2 as well. RPMS are easier than double-clicking installer files. -- http://www.edlund.org/
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 10:36 PM, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Targon wrote: > > T> I have totally become very much attached to the "Galeon" web > browser, > T> altho the version with 8.2 mandrakeppc is very old and buggy i > assume > T> the newer version is much more mature. But the newer versions seems > T> unlikely to work on PPC due to it's dependence on Mozilla 1.0. > T> Hopefully on the x86 side things are rosier. > > New versions of Galeon will run just fine on PPC. I am running > Mozilla 1.0 > on my Mandrake 8.2 install since about 3 hours after it was > released. It > took about 3 hours to compile it on my G3-500 processor. > > -- > http://www.edlund.org/ > > Really? Can you tell me how to do this and what file to download? I have been asking about Mozilla 1.0 for days now an the boss's around here say its not working. When u say compile do u mean to say there isnt just an installer file you double click to install the app like Mac OS? Cheers
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Targon wrote: T> I have totally become very much attached to the "Galeon" web browser, T> altho the version with 8.2 mandrakeppc is very old and buggy i assume T> the newer version is much more mature. But the newer versions seems T> unlikely to work on PPC due to it's dependence on Mozilla 1.0. T> Hopefully on the x86 side things are rosier. New versions of Galeon will run just fine on PPC. I am running Mozilla 1.0 on my Mandrake 8.2 install since about 3 hours after it was released. It took about 3 hours to compile it on my G3-500 processor. -- http://www.edlund.org/
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Monday, June 10, 2002, at 07:21 PM, Henrik Edlund wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, targon wrote: > > t> is a very fast an stable OS. After a few days use i think its slower > t> than OS X on my Dual 500 G4. Aside from the speed issue's i > must say im > t> a little disappointed in the usability of the OS. > > Well, on my iBook2-500 (384MB) Mandrake 8.2 is about 10 times as fast > doing most operations compared to MacOSX 1.1.5. Also MacOSX is so damn > unstable it can hardly be used. I have at least one application crasch > every day I run it, and I hate having to reboot after doing certain > upgrades. MacOSX really sucks - let's see if Apple can release > something > usable within a few years maybe. > Interesting, there must be something terribly wrong with mandrake on my Dual G4 then. It often takes up to 10 seconds to open a new window up from the item in the right mouse click menu. I fresh installed and only installed the packages on the left side of the mandrake package installer..that is the workstation packages (not games tho or scientific), i didn't install any of the server packages. Often the Mandrake control center just hangs an becomes unresponsive. BTW what is the command to force quit an app? Control,Alt, Delete seems to force quit the window manager an then logs me out. Sometimes other apps just hang an the system becomes unresponsive. I use Gnome, could this be the place where the problems stem from? I don't think Linux it self has crashed. > t> Is it just me having a miserable time with it or is this a standard > t> life in Linux on PPC? > > As Obi-Wan said, it all depends on your point of view. To me OSX is > miserable unusable, while Linux is perfect. And in the spririt of free > software - if you don't like something - just dig in and fix it... :-) > > Best regards, > > Henrik While i agree OS X is far from perfect, for a first time user experience it's significantly smoother to install an start using without any hicupps. at least in my experience. Under Linux, the first 2 apps i tryed to configure (mandrake center, evolution mail) either hung an became unresponsive, or threw up an error at launch time. Thats not a very good start. When i decided to uninstall Mozilla from the mandrake software uninstaller i was forced to log out and the machine wouldn't let me log in resulting in a re-installation. Maybe im just very unlucky an my hardware is not suitable for mandrake linux but on the whole i get the feeling that Linux is no better than windows. It just seems to be unpredictable an does many freaky things. I Shall investigate Linux under AMD hardware, perhaps things are a little smoother and easier access to the newest versions of software. I have totally become very much attached to the "Galeon" web browser, altho the version with 8.2 mandrakeppc is very old and buggy i assume the newer version is much more mature. But the newer versions seems unlikely to work on PPC due to it's dependence on Mozilla 1.0. Hopefully on the x86 side things are rosier. I like the UI customization in Gnome using Sawfish but i was curious as to if it is possible to customize it further? Im a long time mac user an find it unsettling to see the cancel button on the far right corner of dialogs. I'd like to be able to swap the buttons around so the ok button is on the far right. Additionally, i'd like some global way of assigning specific key commands to every app system wide.. eg Command+Q for quit. I notice some apps use alt+f4 while others use control+q and others respond to nothing. Are these things possible to anyones knowledge? Does anyone think Gnome 2.0 will be a significant improvement on the version shipped with 8.2 Mandrake PPC? Regards
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, targon wrote: t> is a very fast an stable OS. After a few days use i think its slower t> than OS X on my Dual 500 G4. Aside from the speed issue's i must say im t> a little disappointed in the usability of the OS. Well, on my iBook2-500 (384MB) Mandrake 8.2 is about 10 times as fast doing most operations compared to MacOSX 1.1.5. Also MacOSX is so damn unstable it can hardly be used. I have at least one application crasch every day I run it, and I hate having to reboot after doing certain upgrades. MacOSX really sucks - let's see if Apple can release something usable within a few years maybe. t> Is it just me having a miserable time with it or is this a standard t> life in Linux on PPC? As Obi-Wan said, it all depends on your point of view. To me OSX is miserable unusable, while Linux is perfect. And in the spririt of free software - if you don't like something - just dig in and fix it... :-) Best regards, Henrik -- http://www.edlund.org/
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Monday 10 June 2002 17:56, you wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Targon wrote: > > Firstly where to find it? I only see Intel versions. > > How to remove old versions an how to install the new one? > > Doesn't build currently and when it does it will be cooker, not 8.2. > > Stew Benedict ok great thanx Maybe i should build a PC for Linux? PPC linux just doesnt seem to be happening for either software or stability. I was under the impression Linux is a very fast an stable OS. After a few days use i think its slower than OS X on my Dual 500 G4. Aside from the speed issue's i must say im a little disappointed in the usability of the OS. Is it just me having a miserable time with it or is this a standard life in Linux on PPC? Cheers
Re: Mozilla 1.0-PPC
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Targon wrote: > Firstly where to find it? I only see Intel versions. > How to remove old versions an how to install the new one? > Doesn't build currently and when it does it will be cooker, not 8.2. Stew Benedict -- MandrakeSoft PPC FAQ: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ppcFAQ.php3 IRC: irc.openproject.net #cooker-ppc
