[CTRL] church has paid out est. 1 billion, Iraq

2002-05-13 Thread Smart News

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this may be heavy for survivors

Roman Catholic Church Shifts Legal Strategy Aggressive Litigation Replaces
Quiet Settlements By Michael Powell and Lois Romano - Washington Post Staff
Writers  - 5/13/02 "the diocese charged in a countersuit that it was she
who was negligent for allowing her boys, then 7 and 10, to sleep over at the
sacristan's apartmentThe 194 Catholic dioceses in the United States,
Sweeney noted, do not possess limitless resources -- some estimates put their
net worth at about $15 billion. The church and its insurers have already paid
out an estimated $1 billion in settlements -- obtained from the sale of
assets and from special church "abuse or molestation" liability insurance
coverage. And officials expect insurance premiums and settlement costs to
mushroom.It's the largest Christian denomination in the world, with 63
million members in the United States."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8117-2002May12?language=printer

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/10/1021002391082.html

The siege of Baghdad - May 11 2002
The US obsession with toppling Saddam Hussein is growing despite European
doubts and shaky justification, writes Gay Alcorn.  The last remaining
suspicion that Saddam Hussein was involved in the death of 3000 Americans on
September 11 seemed to be put to rest. ''US officials" scotched the ''Iraqi
connection" in a series of leaks this week, saying they no longer believed
the hijackers' ringleader, Mohammed Atta, held secret meetings with an Iraqi
intelligence agent in the Czech capital of Prague in April last year.

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Re: [CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

2002-05-13 Thread iggy

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iggy wrote:

like organised religion isn't the biggest consperacy of them all?
born agains scare me
it's their way or the burning stake.

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Re: [CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

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> Much homage is paid to Native Americans and their wisdom.  Is the wisdom
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More than this post, which has nothing to do with conspiracy theory
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Troll.

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[CTRL] Packing.org Concealed Carry (CCW), Concealed Weapon Permit, Concealed Weapon Law : all united states

2002-05-13 Thread iggy


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[CTRL] Annual Report 2000 - Toronto Police Service

2002-05-13 Thread iggy


http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/annual/2000/11.html

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   Outlaw
Biker Gangs 

Historical
Overview 
Outlaw
biker gangs and their criminal activities have existed in our city
for 40 years. The Toronto area gangs that have prospered in recent
years are reflected in their accompanying patches. 

Membership
in these gangs has fluctuated over the years but generally has remained
in excess of three hundred bikers. Their criminal activity has historically
centred on, but is not limited to, pursuits such as; the trafficking
of controlled substances and firearms, as well as property crimes
involving tractor trailer cargo theft and distribution. Bikers also
control the strip club industry through intimidation and extortion.
Although seemingly in direct competition for profits derived from
these various criminal enterprises, the gangs have co-existed in relative
harmony. 

Present Day Scenario 
The outlaw biker community in the Province of Ontario and specifically
in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA), has very recently undergone a dramatic
re-organization, which will potentially have significant consequences
for law enforcement and for the community at large. 

This re-organization occurred almost overnight. It was initiated by
the Bandidos motorcycle gang who absorbed most of the Rock Machine
organization, as well as individual members from the Outlaws and the
Loners motorcycle gangs. 

The
Quebec-based Hell's Angels motorcycle gang responded with a swift
and unprecedented 'patch over' of the entire membership from the Satan's
Choice, Para-Dice Riders and Last Chance motorcycle gangs, as well
as individual members from the Loners, Rock Machine and the Outlaws
motorcycle gangs. 

The outlaw biker community in the GTA is now effectively controlled
by four outlaw motorcycle biker gangs, three of which have international
status. They are the Hell's Angels, Outlaws, Bandidos, and the Vagabonds.


Response by Law Enforcement 
The arrival into the Province of Ontario of the Hell's Angels outlaw
motorcycle gang in particular, as well as the Bandidos motorcycle
gang, has been predicted by knowledgeable biker investigators since
the early 1980's. As a response in part to this threat, the Provincial
Special Squad came into existence on June 1st, 1998. The squad is
a Joint Forces Operation, which includes membership from eighteen
police agencies within the Province and also includes the Criminal
Intelligence Service of Ontario (CISO). 

The primary mandate of this squad is to more effectively utilize province-wide
policing resources, by maximizing their collective law enforcement
efforts against the criminal aspects of outlaw motorcycle gangs. The
Toronto Police Service has been a dedicated partner within the Provincial
Special Squad from the inception of the unit. 

The Challenge 
The recent shifting and strengthening of allegiances within the outlaw
biker community has re-enforced the need for law enforcement to generate
a strong and sustained centralized response to this flourishing organized
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[CTRL] Controlling the Human Spirit

2002-05-13 Thread Euphorian

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Controlling the Human Spirit
The Inquisition and Slavery
1250-1800
by Helen Ellerbe
from The Dark Side of Christian History

Index: Historical Writings (Various)
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See also: The Witch Hunts: The End of Magic and Miracles by Helen Ellerbe
See also: History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe by
W. E. H. Lecky

There has been no more organized effort by a religion to control people and contain
their spirituality than the Christian Inquisition. Developed within the Church's own
legal framework, the Inquisition attempted to terrify people into obedience. As the
Inquisitor Francesco Pena stated in 1578, "We must remember that the main
purpose of the trial and execution is not to save the soul of the accused but to
achieve the public good and put fear into others." The Inquisition took countless
human lives in Europe and around the world as it followed in the wake of
missionaries. And along with the tyranny of the Inquisition, churchmen also brought
religious justification for the practice of slavery.

The unsubmissive spirit of the Middle Ages only seemed to exacerbate the Church's
demand for unquestioning obedience. The Church's understanding of God was to be
the only understanding. There was to be no discussion or debate. As the Inquisitor
Bernard Gui said, the layman must not argue with the unbeliever, but "thrust his
sword into the man's belly as far as it will go." In a time of burgeoning ideas about
spirituality, the Church insisted that it was the only avenue through which one was
permitted to learn of God. Pope Innocent III declared "that anyone who attempted to
construe a personal view of God which conflicted with Church dogma must be
burned without pity."

Before the inquisition was fully underway, the Church welcomed heretics back into its
fold under terms it considered reasonable. The following is an example of such
terms:

On three Sundays the penitent is to be stripped to the waist and scourged by the
priest from the entrance of town ... to the church door. He is to abstain forever from
meat and eggs and cheese, except on Easter, Pentecost, and Christmas, when he is
to eat them as a sign of his abnegation of his Manichaean errors. For twoscore days,
twice a year, he is to forgo the use of fish, and for three days each week that of 
fish,
wine and oil, fasting, if his health and labors will permit. He is to wear monastic
vestments, with a small cross sewed on each breast. If possible, he is to hear mass
daily and on feast- days to attend church at vespers. Seven times a day he is to
recite the canonical hours, and, in addition the Paternoster ten times each day and
twenty times each night. He is to observe the strictest chastity. Every month he is to
show this paper to the priest, who is to watch its observance closely, and this mode
of life is to be maintained until the legate shall see it fit to alter it, while for 
infraction
of the penance he is to be held as a perjurer and a heretic, and to be segregated
from the society of the faithful.

Few heretics returned to the Church of their own accord.

The Church turned to its own canon law to authenticate an agency which could
enforce adherence to Church authority. In 1231 Pope Gregory IX established the
Inquisition as a separate tribunal, independent of bishops and prelates. Its
administrators, the inquisitors, were to be answerable only to the Pope. Its
inquisitional law replaced the common law tradition of "innocent until proven guilty"
with "guilty until proven innocent." Despite an ostensible trial, inquisitional 
procedure
left no possibility for the suspected to prove his or her innocence; the process
resulted in the condemnation of anyone even suspected of heresy. The accused was
denied the right of counsel. No particulars were given as to the time or place of the
suspected heresies, or to what kind of heresies were suspected. A suspected
friendship with a convicted heretic was also a crime, yet no information was given as
to which heretic the accused was to have "adored." The names of accusing
witnesses were kept secret. One's only recourse was an appeal to the Pope in
Rome, which was so futile as to be farcical. The friar Bernard Delicieux declared:

... that if St. Peter and St. Paul were accused of 'adoring' heretics and were
prosecuted after the fashion of the Inquisition, there would be no defense open for
them.

The inquisitor presided over inquisitional procedure as both prosecutor and judge.
While he was technically to arrive at his decision after consulting with an assembly of
experts of his choosing, this check to his power was soon abandoned. An inquisitor
was selected primarily on the basis of his zeal to prosecute heretics. He and his
assistants, messengers, and spies were allowed to carry arms. And in 1245, the
Pope granted him the right to absolve these assistants for any acts of violence. Th

[CTRL] Mark Twain's Americanism

2002-05-13 Thread Euphorian

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Mark Twain's Americanism
by H.L. Mancken
The New York Evening Mail

Index: Mark Twain
Index: H.L. Mencken
Index: Biographies
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November 1, 1917

When Mark Twain died, in 1910, one of the magnificos who paid public tribute to him
was William H. Taft, then President of the United States. "Mark Twain," said Dr. Taft,
"gave real intellectual enjoyment to millions, and his works will continue to give such
pleasure to millions yet to come. He never wrote a line that a father could not read to
a daughter."

The usual polite flubdub and not to be exposed, perhaps, to critical analysis. But it
was, in a sense, typical of the general view at that time, and so it deserves to be
remembered for the fatuous inaccuracy of the judgment in it. For Mark Twain dead is
beginning to show far different and more brilliant colors than those he seemed to
wear during life, and the one thing no sane critic would say of him to-day is that he
was the harmless fireside jester, the mellow chautauquan, the amiable old grandpa
of letters that he was once so widely thought to be.

The truth is that Mark was almost exactly the reverse. Instead of being a mere
entertainer of the mob, he was in fact a literary artist of the very highest skill and
sophistication, and, in all save his superficial aspect, quite unintelligible to Dr. 
Taft's
millions. And instead of being a sort of Dr. Frank Crane in cap and bells, laboriously
devoted to the obvious and the uplifting, he was a destructive satirist of the utmost
pungency and relentlessness, and the most bitter critic of American platitude and
delusion, whether social, political or religious, that ever lived.



Bit by bit, as his posthumous books appear, the true man emerges, and it needs but
half an eye to see how little he resembles the Mark of national legend. Those books
were written carefully and deliberately; Mark wrote them at the height of his fame; he
put into them, without concealment, the fundamental ideas of his personal philosophy
-- the ideas which colored his whole view of the world. Then he laid the manuscripts
away, safe in the knowledge that they would not see the light until he was under six
feet of earth. We know, by his own confession, why he hesitated to print them while
he lived; he knew that fame was sweet and he feared that they might blast it. But
beneath that timorousness there was an intellectual honesty that forced him to set
down the truth. It was really comfort he wanted, not fame. He hesitated, a lazy man,
to disturb his remaining days with combat and acrimony. But in the long run he
wanted to set himself straight.

Two of these books, The Mysterious Stranger and What Is Man? are now published,
and more may be expected to follow at intervals. The latter, in fact, was put into type
during Mark's lifetime and

privately printed in a very limited edition. But it was never given to the public, and
copies of the limited edition bring $40 or $50 at book auctions to-day. Even a pirated
English edition brings a high premium. Now, however, the book is issued publicly by
the Harpers, though without the preface in which Mark explained his reasons for so
long withholding it.



The ideas in it are very simple, and reduced to elementals, two in number. The first is
that man, save for a trace of volition that grows smaller and smaller the more it is
analyzed, is a living machine -- that nine-tenths of his acts are purely reflex, and 
that
moral responsibility, and with it religion, are thus mere delusions. The second is that
the only genuine human motive, like the only genuine dog motive or fish motive or
protoplasm motive is self interest -- that altruism, for all its seeming potency in
human concerns, is no more than a specious appearance -- that the one unbroken
effort of the organism is to promote its own comfort, welfare and survival.

Starting from this double basis, Mark undertakes an elaborate and extraordinarily
penetrating examination of all the fine ideals and virtues that man boasts of, and
reduces them, one after the other, to untenability and absurdity. There is no mere
smartness in the thing. It is done, to be sure, with a sly and disarming humor, but at
bottom it is done quite seriously and with the highest sort of argumentative skill. The
parlor entertainer of Dr. Taft's eulogy completely disappears; in his place there 
arises
a satirist with something of Rabelais's vast resourcefulness and dexterity in him, and
all of Dean Swift's devastating ferocity. It is not only the most honest book that Mark
ever did; it is, in some respects, the most artful and persuasive as a work of art. No
wonder the pious critic of The New York Times, horrified by its doctrine, was forced
to take refuge behind the theory that Mark intended it as a joke.

In The Mysterious Stranger there is a step further. What Is Man? analyzes the
concept of man; The Mysterious Stranger boldly analyz

Re: [CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

2002-05-13 Thread Don S. Brown
Hello,
I think a much more real sense of wisdom is the unflinching belief in a son of God that was executed and then resurrected days later only to become, well something, after that.
Of course getting the sun to stand still and several foot thick walls to come tumbling down with the blowing of trumpets is certainly a much more civilized belief.  Then again a good old Red Sea parting or the casual walk on water befits the cerebral capacities of a civilized culture and people much better than falling beavers from the sky for crying out loud.
Did I mention a virgin giving birth?
db



In a message dated 5/13/02 1:17:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Much homage is paid to Native Americans and their wisdom.  Is the wisdom
deserving of such reverence?

I give you this:

In the beginning, the Cherokee believed that the earth was covered with water
and that beavers came from the sky to drag the mud from the oceans bottom and
bring it to the top.  The beavers then attached it to the sky and created the
land.  The "great buzzard" now flew to the ground where he flapped his wings
while the valleys and mountains were formed.  It was on one of these flights
that the "great buzzard" created the land on which the Cherokees lived.

???






Re: [CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

2002-05-13 Thread iggy

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makes about as much sence as a burning bush and a virgin mother..

Damon Amaeous wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Much homage is paid to Native Americans and their wisdom.  Is the wisdom
> deserving of such reverence?
>
> I give you this:
>
> In the beginning, the Cherokee believed that the earth was covered with water
> and that beavers came from the sky to drag the mud from the oceans bottom and
> bring it to the top.  The beavers then attached it to the sky and created the
> land.  The "great buzzard" now flew to the ground where he flapped his wings
> while the valleys and mountains were formed.  It was on one of these flights
> that the "great buzzard" created the land on which the Cherokees lived.
>
> ???
>
> Damaeus
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[CTRL] Uncivil Wars

2002-05-13 Thread Euphorian

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From
http://www.arabia.com/afp/news/mideast/article/english/0,10846,200823,00.html

}}}>Begin
Likud party defies Sharon, says no to a future Palestinian state

May 13, 2002, 04:30 AM

TEL AVIV (AFP) - Israel's right-wing Likud party voted a resounding no to a
Palestinian state in brazen defiance of their leader Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
already politically vulnerable after his army put on hold a threatened military strike 
on
the Gaza Strip.

The hardline stance by Likud's 2,600 person central committee late Sunday was sure
to damage Sharon's ability to direct Israel's fragile national unity government, torn
between right and left.

Likud ministers are now bound to block any peace initiative that could lead to the
establishment of a Palestinian state.

Sharon warned the crushing vote would damage Israel's vital ties with its top ally the
United States, which advocates the establishment of a Palestinian state and has
exerted heavy pressure on Sharon to curb Israel's military forays in the West Bank
and Gaza Strip.

"I respect all democratic decisions of the central committee, but I will continue to 
lead
the country according to the principles that I have always held: security for Israel 
and
aspirations for peace," Sharon declared after his party's stunning snub of his
leadership.

Sharon was feeling the heat from former premier Benjamin Netanyahu, his rival for
power, who engineered Sharon's humiliation by the Likud, just as the White House
had started to demand Sharon move the peace process forward.

Sharon, a hardline former general, first tried to head off Netanyahu's manoeuver with
his own motion to stop the vote. But the party rejected his motion by 59 percent.

In a sign of US influence, the army began Sunday standing down reservists called up
for an operation against the largely Gaza-based Islamic group Hamas, which claimed
Tuesday's deadly suicide bombing outside Tel Aviv, state radio said.

The report was the latest indication the Jewish state had put on hold the threatened
attack in retaliation for the pool hall blast that killed 16 Israelis and wounded 
another
55.

Sharon, who was having talks in Washington with US President George W. Bush just
as the explosion went off, cut short a US trip and flew home vowing to avenge the
deaths. But the tough talk soon became muted.

A Sharon spokesman denied the reports that Israel's decision had been made under
heavy pressure from Washington, which wanted to keep chances for peace talks
alive.





But David Maguen, head of the Israeli parliament's foreign affairs and defense
committee, told state radio the decision was "part of a political calculation."

"Israel is reaping the results of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's recent visit to
Washington and there were very positive developments, particularly at Sharm el-
Sheikh."

He was referring to Saturday's summit of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Syrian
President Hafez al-Assad and Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz
that ended with a new appeal for peace.

The three key Arab leaders "restated the Arabs' sincere determination to achieve
peace and their rejection of all forms of violence," according to a statement issued
after the gathering.

But Sunday's political bust up in Israel threatened to dash any fresh momentum for
Middle East peace.

Before the Likud vote, King Abdullah II of Jordan said: "It would be an extremely
negative reaction, because what we're talking about is a crisis of violence that 
neither
side can get themselves out of."

Leading Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat slammed the right-wing Israeli Likud
party's landslide rejection.

"What we have seen tonight is a major and severe blow to all efforts being made to
revive the peace process," Erakat told CNN.





"I hope this vote will be an eye opener for President Bush who calls for the
establishment of a Palestinian state," he said, adding it showed "what kind of people
we are dealing with in the Likud party and the Israeli government."

The revival of Israel's peace movement had also piled pressure on Sharon's brittle
coalition government.

More than 60,000 people demonstrated Saturday in Tel Aviv to demand an end to
the occupation of Palestinian territories in Israel's largest peace rally since the 
latest
conflict erupted 19 months ago.

Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, meanwhile, told the Italian newspaper La
Repubblica that a proposed peace conference could be held in June, possibly in Italy
or Turkey.

In Bethlehem, Greek Orthodox Patriarch Irineos I celebrated the first mass to be held
inside the sixth-century Nativity Church complex after Friday's end to the 39-day
standoff between Israeli forces and Palestinian gunmen.

But politics also weighed at the holy site as a senior clergyman celebrating a special
mass at an adjoining church blasted Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory as
"the root of evil" in the Middle East.

"As long as the root of evil is there, the violence will

Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...

2002-05-13 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 5/13/02 1:50:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> As a mother of a 16 year old, I say no to all of it.
>  No son of mine will fight for the greed of the global
>  elite.  If they care to send THEIR sons to fight, fine
>  by me.
>
>  The military machine is nothing but the global greed
>  machine and I want no part of it.  If that means I
>  can't drive me fricking car anymore, so be it!

  Yeah.  My son could handle boot camp and he'd probably like weapons
training, and if that's all it was, I could probably go along with it if he
could.  But fighting and killing for sick military/industrial monetary
purposes - I cannot see that.   Our sons in the US will face the choice
between jail and the military if HR 3598 passes?  The Canada option is
closing.  And without money to leave the country and go elsewhere, I don't
know what can be done to protect these young men from either jail or the
military.

  According to HR 3598 all young men who graduate before Jan 2003 will be
exempt.  We did the math and our son can't graduate in or before Jan 2003
even with summer school.

Laura

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Re: [CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

2002-05-13 Thread flw

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> Much homage is paid to Native Americans and their wisdom.  Is the wisdom
> deserving of such reverence?
> I give you this:
> In the beginning, the Cherokee believed that the earth was covered with
water
> and that beavers came from the sky to drag the mud from the oceans bottom
and
> bring it to the top.  The beavers then attached it to the sky and created
the
> land.  The "great buzzard" now flew to the ground where he flapped his
wings
> while the valleys and mountains were formed.  It was on one of these
flights
> that the "great buzzard" created the land on which the Cherokees lived.
> Damaeus

Hmm. Almost as ridiculous as the Old Testament / Torah.
flw

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Moonie Rag Denies 9-11 Inside Trading

2002-05-13 Thread RoadsEnd



--- Begin Message ---

Spin from a spook-haunted journal owned by the Rev. Moon. Enough said?

MacNamara


http://www.insightmag.com/news/251677.html

Not Much Stock in 'Put' Conspiracy
Posted May 13, 2002
By Kelly Patricia O'Meara

There has been a great deal of talk about alleged insider trading of
airline stocks by associates of Osama bin Laden prior to the Sept. 11
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Government
investigators remain tight-lipped about a Department of Justice (DOJ)
probe of possible profiteering by terrorists with advance knowledge
of the attacks despite data that show trading activity on at least
two of the most obvious stocks don't support the premise.

In fact, based on financial information almost immediately available
to investigators, even the most febrile conspiracy theorists would
have to agree that this dog don't hunt. For instance, much of the
speculation involves "put" options ? a bet that a stock will go
down ? on American and United airlines, the two carriers whose planes
hijackers seized for the attacks. Yes, there was a spike in puts on
those airlines just days before, but the data show such spikes
weren't anomalous.

On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options
were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the
attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given
the prices at the time, this would have yielded speculators between
$2 million and $4 million in profit ? hardly what any analyst would
call a killing in the options markets. Based on historical data for
both airlines, the put options just prior to Sept. 11 neither were
dramatic nor unprecedented.

For example, there were repeated spikes in put options on American
Airlines during the year before Sept. 11, including June 19 with
2,951 puts, June 15 at 1,144 puts, April 16 at 1,019 and Jan. 8 at
1,315 puts. United Airlines puts were a little more during the prior
year, including Aug. 8 at 1,678 puts, July 20 with 2,995, April 6 at
8,212 and March 13 at 8,072. Since such relatively small spikes in
options occur frequently and in a random pattern, why would respected
financial analysts and government investigators cry foul?

That is the mystery. Because the matter still is under investigation,
none of the government investigating bodies ? including the FBI, the
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and DOJ ? are speaking to
reporters about alleged insider trading. Even so, suspicion of
insider trading to profit from the Sept. 11 attacks is not limited to
U.S. regulators. Investigations were initiated in a number of places
including Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Luxembourg,
Hong Kong, Switzerland and Spain. As in the United States, all are
treating these inquiries as if they were state secrets ? which, given
the known financial information about trading in the equities of the
two airlines used in the attacks, seems curious.

Lynne Howard, a spokeswoman for the Chicago Board Options Exchange
(CBOE), tells Insight that information about who made the trades was
available immediately. "We would have been aware of any unusual
activity right away. It would have been triggered by any unusual
volume. There is an automated system called 'blue sheeting,' or the
CBOE Market Surveillance System, that everyone in the business knows
about. It provides information on the trades ? the name and even the
Social Security number on an account ? and these surveillance systems
are set up specifically to look into insider trading. The system
would look at the volume, and then a real person would take over and
review it, going back in time and looking at other unusual activity."

Howard continues, "The system is so smart that even if there is a
news event that triggers a market event it can go back in time, and
even the parameters can be changed depending on what is being looked
at. It's a very clever system and it is instantaneous. Even with the
system, though, we have very experienced and savvy staff in our
market-regulations area who are always looking for things that might
be unusual. They're trained to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
Even if it's offshore, it might take a little longer, but all
offshore accounts have to go through U.S. member firms ? members of
the CBOE ? and it is easily and quickly identifiable who made the
trades. The member firm who made the trades has to have identifiable
information about the client under the 'Know Your Customer'
regulations (see "Snoops and Spies," Feb. 22, 1999), and we share all
information with the Securities and Exchange Commission."

Given all of this, at a minimum the CBOE and government regulators
who are conducting the secret investigations have known for some time
who made the options puts on United and American airlines. The
silence from the investigating camps could mean any of several
things: Either terrorists are responsible for the puts on the airline
stocks; others besides terrorists h

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Bush Ranch Potemkin Village

2002-05-13 Thread RoadsEnd



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http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=6687


PHONY TO THE CORE: The "Ole Family Ranch" in Crawford is a Set
Completed the Same Day the Election was Stolen

By Cheryl Seal

Have you seen all those article and pictures of Bush "at home on the
ranch" in Crawford - the ones that imply that he is "just an ole
ranch hand" more comfortable on the family homestead than in the "Big
City," be it Austin or D.C.? Well, if you bought this image, you've
been royally snuckered. The Bush family homestead in Crawford is
nothing more than an elaborate set. The house, built in 2000, was
designed to be ready for Bush to step into - like a set awaiting an
actor - during the 2000 presidential election. Not only was
the "ranch" created in 2000 - so, essentially, was the "town" of
Crawford! Before then only about 400 people lived in the area. The
Crawford Chamber of Commerce and Agriculture were formed shortly
after the ranch was finished.

The 1,600 acres on which the "ranch" sits was purchased in 1999 for
an undisclosed price, but it was a helluva lot less than the current
real estate agents' appraisal of $1.2 million. Yep, worth $1.2
million, but G.W. has a sweet deal at the tax appraiser's office,
where the property is valued at about $988,000. Oh, and that "homey
ole ranch house?" It's actually a 10,000-square-foot single level
mansion/compound that won't even be 2 years old until this November!
The compound features a swimming pool for daughters Jenna and
Barbara, who apparently loudly demanded it - the Bushes call it the
girls' "Whining pool." Btw - we hear Bush got a sweet deal on the
house construction, (the cost, of course remains undisclosed): the
builders came from a religious community in El Mott, Texas. The
original completion date of the house was November 7 - election day
2000. In other words, the curtain went up on the set on schedule
for "show time." The very timing of this event indicates that Bush
was absolutely confident that the election would be successfully
engineered in his favor.

The whole idea behind the ranch set, of course, was so that the
public could be treated to footage of Bush seeking a quiet "retreat"
at the family ranch. Americans would thus assume that the ranch was a
rooted family homestead or compound like the one Kennedy's had in
Martha's Vineyard or FDR had at Campobello. But when Bush retreated
into his "homestead" in November, 2000, he was merely walking onto a
prepared set upon which the paint had barely dried, let alone even
the barest of roots put down! When we see photos of Bush bombing
around the ranch in his leather jacket in his "ole pickup,"
supposedly knowing every tree and bush - it's all pure fantasy! If
Bush knows every tree and bush after actually spending, all told, a
total of about 2 months on the ranch (if you put the odd days end to
end) since it was bought, then I''d like to know when he found time
to hold all those endless Crawford press conferences! Seems to me
he'd be way too busy introducing himself to trees and bushes.

Until Bush and handlers decided that a rural ranch would be a slick
bit of PR for the presidential campaign, Bush had no interest in
a "home on the range." Instead, his preferred weekend retreat was to
the Rainbo Club, an exclusive lakeside hunting club in Henderson
County, about an hour south of Dallas, much closer to the comforts of
Austin. When a Bush run for president began to look like a pretty
good bet, the 1,600 acres were bought and the Bushes started making
weekend trips to a 60-year-old ranch house that existed on the
property - not of course, before refurbishing it! - so they could
build the "lore" that would take in the American public, hook, line
and sinker.

In an interesting side note - while Bush is anti-conservation in his
presidential policies to please his corporate pals, in his OWN home,
he has installed several conservation/energy saving features,
including solar panels for heating water, rainwater collection for
landscape irrigation, an air conditioning system that uses
groundwater and a gray water recycling system. The obvious impression
here is that Bush, being all PR show and no substance or real
convictions, wants to cover all the bases. Block conservation when it
is expedient, but have some conservation "stuff" to show off when
that is expedient.

So, in short, we have a "president" who, ON THE SAME DAY - November
7, 2000 - stole an election and had the last nail driven into a phony
ranch set. But with a completely snuckered press corps, we also have
had a completely snuckered public. And a platoon of completely
snuckered world leaders, chief among them Blair and Putin, who have
been hosted at the "ole ranch" set and completely taken in. Alas, the
Crawford ranch is a symbol of the utter corporate phoniness of this
administration. The whole scenario reminds me of those type of
sophisticated con artists (like the ones who recently convinced
several investors they could turn sand into gold! ) who blo

[CTRL] Native America Wisdom?

2002-05-13 Thread Damon Amaeous

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Much homage is paid to Native Americans and their wisdom.  Is the wisdom
deserving of such reverence?

I give you this:

In the beginning, the Cherokee believed that the earth was covered with water
and that beavers came from the sky to drag the mud from the oceans bottom and
bring it to the top.  The beavers then attached it to the sky and created the
land.  The "great buzzard" now flew to the ground where he flapped his wings
while the valleys and mountains were formed.  It was on one of these flights
that the "great buzzard" created the land on which the Cherokees lived.

???

Damaeus

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[CTRL] U.S. WON'T "ABANDON" CENTRAL ASIA...WATCH OUT, CENTRAL ASIA!

2002-05-13 Thread Tenorlove

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> ...WATCH OUT, CENTRAL ASIA!
> by Jared Israel
>
> Below is a report on the testimony of Elizabeth Jones, US assistant
> Secretary of State for Eurasian Affairs, before the US Senate last
> December. It comes from Kazakhstan courtesy of BBC. I could find no
> mention of Jones' Senate testimony in any US newspaper. Fortunately,
> we have Kazakhstan which is only about 6547 miles away and so it is
> possible for US citizens like me to find out what our leaders
> (so-called) are doing.
>
> People in the US - and all over the world - were originally told it
> was necessary to launch a military attack on Afghanistan to get rid
> of the Taliban and to arrest Osama bin Laden.
>
> Remember him?
>
> But as far back as December, Undersecretary Jones said something
> quite different in the media-free privacy of the U.S. Senate.
>
> She explained that no matter what happened in Afghanistan, the US and
> its allies would stay and "assist" the Central Asian Republics.
> However:
>
> "that assistance was conditional on economic and democratic reforms
> and the observance of human rights. Jones outlined US priorities in
> the region: combating terrorism; reform; the rule of law; Caspian Sea
> energy resources."
>
> Many who oppose US policy will see the phrase "Caspian Sea energy
> resources" and think, "Aha! It's oil! They're after oil."
>
> I don't think that's useful for understanding US policy. If the US
> Establishment needed oil then, as Mr. Castro has argued, they could
> buy it. Or they could buy the oil wells. Or the local oil companies.
> There really is nobody interested in standing in the way of the US
> having a reasonable supply of oil.
>
> Rather, the US establishment, and the Empire of which it is a leading
> part - perhaps we should call it the New World Empire - is very much
> interested in protecting its current hegemonic position in the world
> from possible future challenges coming from Eurasia - namely, from
> the still-nuclear-armed former Soviet Union.
>
> Hence the drive into Central Asia.
>
> In her Senate testimony, Undersecretary Jones made it clear she
> wishes to transform the Central Asia Republics into US protectorates.
> She didn't say it outright, of course, but she used easily
> decipherable code:
>
> "The USA believes, Jones said, that "certain countries" in the region
> should noticeably step up their economic reforms and democratic
> processes, the observance of human rights and the formation of a
> strong civil society."
>
> Ahh, "a strong civil society." This phrase has a definite meaning in
> the New World Empire. "Civil society" is strengthened when USAID, the
> National Endowment for Democracy and other government agencies in the
> U.S., Norway, Holland and Germany, as well as seemingly private
> groups, like the CIA-connected Open Society Foundation of George
> Soros, move in.
>
> What do these agencies do?
>
> They fund people who work for the Empire in the guise of "democratic"
> this and "human rights" that and "institutes for economic reform" and
> "independent media."
>
> In the words of Allen Weinstein, the man who conceived the National
> Endowment of Democracy:
>
> "'A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the
> CIA,' agrees Weinstein."
> -- Washington Post, September 22, 1991
>
> To "strengthen civil society" these fake democracy-funding agencies
> set up NGOs, newspapers and TV stations and political parties as a
> Fifth Column to destabilize local societies along vulnerable lines of
> conflict. Or they inflame regional conflicts in the guise of "peace"
> and "mediation" groups. Ultimately these Fifth Column groups stage,
> or attempt to stage coup d'états, always under the guise of
> democratic reform, t

[CTRL] (Fwd) PHARISEE WATCH: Lobby for Taxpayers' Dollars

2002-05-13 Thread Euphorian

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AIPAC Meeting Features Senator Jon Kyl Who Pledges Support to Israel

C. E. Carlson



Up to 450 Israeli patriots, guests and picketers attended the

American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) meeting at the

Scottsdale Arizona Hilton Hotel on Sunday morning, May 5.   AIPAC

describes itself on its website as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby" and

quotes the New York Times in what calls it "The most important

organization affecting America's relationship with Israel."



The meeting format was decidedly more Israeli than American. It began

with the standing singing of the Israeli National Anthem.  The

American flag was present, but was not deployed in a superior

position to the Star of David.  The Star Spangled Banner was not

offered, nor was there a pledge to The American flag.  One verse of

God Bless America was sung as a consolation offering.



Keynote speakers included Israeli Patriot Arizona Senator Jon Kyl,

Member of Congress Jane Harman, AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr

and Israeli former bureaucrat and now Stanford Professor Ariel

Levite.  The reoccurring theme was that Yasser Arafat

controlls "terrorism" and the Palestinian people, that he is guilty

of acting in bad faith so the Palestinian people must be further

punished.  Thus, Arafat was pictured as sort of a backwards proxy for

the people.  He is guilty but they must suffer.



AIPAC inconsistency indicates it has a love hate relationship with

Mr. Arafat; they love to denounce him but they don't want him to go

away.  Dr. Ariel Levite, who has served in the Defense Ministry,

provided his version of the history of the intifada where he

repeatedly fixed the blame on Arafat.  He stressed that the Israeli

people want peace.  The writer got the impression that Dr. Levitt

considers Arafat far too useful to get rid of.



Kyl and Harmon competed for which could do the most for Israel.

Both in their strident anti-Palestinian views, made the paid AIPAC

Director and the Israeli agent appear moderates by comparison.   Kyl

stopped just short of saying all Palestinians should be ejected, as

his friend, retiring Congressman Dick Armey recently publicly

demanded.  Kyl proudly stated he had had taken a military jeep tour

around the West Bank, and said he agreed with Israel that it needed

to appropriate a "buffer zone" between the west bank and Syria before

a treaty is signed.  He called for the cessation of funding to the

PLO, which he said was upward to $170 million, and he indicated

confidence congress would comply.



Kyle's agenda mirrors the wish list of AIPAC Director Kohr, who also

said he favored de-funding certain United Nation's investigative

agency unfriendly to Israel.



Representative Jane Harmon stated that she plans to co-sponsor a

measure calling for adding Syria to the terrorist state list, and Kyl

hastened to announce he would add his support.



Several notes of concern played, and several admissions damaging

leaked out of the meeting.  Howard Kohr, stated that AIPAC is

troubled by the widely held view since Day911 that the "hatred would

not be there were it not for (US) unique relationship with Israel."



Jane Harmon stated that the US should continue to support

Israel "even if we have to go it alone" without any other country in

the world with the US.  She seems to understand this may be the

case.



Harmon also stated her support for Israeli action in the West Bank,

but she cautioned that she did not want to see us "convert every five

year old into a suicide bomber."



Much of the meeting was consumed by a carefully monitored Israel

friendly panel discussion with friendly written questions supposedly

from the floor.  However, several written questions from the floor

about the use of US Foreign aid to end the live of Palestinian

civilians were not read.



AIPAC Director Kohr stated in his opening remarks, "only one country

stands with Israel."  This was a surprising admission.  As the crowd

broke for lunch, Kohr acknowledged the presence of the pro-

Palestinian pickets in front of the building, of which he said

constitutes a growing worldwide problem. Mr. Kohr's speech delivered

at the previously held April 22 conference can be read on AIPAC's

website (www.aipac.org/policy2002hak.html).



A substantial picket of men, women and children organized by Friends

of Palestine rotated on the line steadily from 9:00 AM to 12:30PM

with signs critical of foreign aid, Israeli atrocities, and AIPAC's

influence on Congress.  Several signs were directed at Senator Kyle

of Arizona.   Some picketers carried red, white, black and green

Palestinians flags on busy Scottsdale Road in front of the hotel.

Several counter picketers stationed themselves across the street,

waving Israeli flags.



According to a study by the Washington Report for Middle East

Affairs, Senator Jon Kyl has already been the recipient of $77,000.00

in dire

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Israel thwarts Jewish bomb attack on school

Suzanne Goldenberg in Jerusalem
Monday May 13, 2002
The Guardian

Israel has thwarted a Jewish extremist plot to blow up a Palestinian hospital and a
girls' school in Arab East Jerusalem, arresting the bombers as they attempted to
install their high-powered explosives.

The plot came to light two weeks ago when police in Jerusalem stumbled on two
men unloading their bomb on the pavement between a girls' high school and the
Mukassad hospital, the main health centre for the Palestinians of East Jerusalem. It
was due to explode when the 1,500 pupils arrived at school. Two other men were
arrested later.

News of the attempted bombing - which was withheld by a court order until the
weekend - was greeted with considerable horror in Israel, and the men were
condemned by both the left and the right.

"These fellows, if successful, could have created a major disaster, and with all due
respect to the Israeli agony about suicide bombings, this would have just contributed
another incredible atrocity that we don't want to see," said Ehud Sprinzak, dean of
the Lauder School of Government, and an expert on Jewish extremist groups.

However, several rabbis from small and hardline illegal Jewish settlements in the
West Bank criticised the arrests. Outside the Russian compound in Jerusalem,
where the men are being held, a small group has kept a vigil for the last few days,
and Kahane Chai, a Jewish extremist group outlawed in Israel and included on
America's list of international terrorist organisations, called for the release of the
men.

"I think the government should put bombs in hospitals but unfortunately the
government doesn't do it, so it is up to the people to do those things," Noam
Federman, a spokesman for Kahane Chai, said.

The hospital bombing plot is the latest sign of a resurgence among Jewish 13
extremists, who have constantly accused the prime minister, Ariel Sharon, of going
soft on the Palestinians.

In March, a bomb exploded at a Palestinian boys' school in another part of Arab East
Jerusalem, injuring seven children and a teacher. It was claimed by a group called
the Revenge of the Children.

A police spokesman yesterday said investigators were looking for links between that
attack and the attempt to bomb the hospital. They are also seeking connections
between the attacks and the killing of at least seven Palestinians who were shot
dead on West Bank roads by another shadowy extremist group.

There have been no prosecutions in connection with any of these incidents, but Mr
Sprinzak said he hoped the arrest of the four men would lead to a breakthrough. He
also predicted that the arrests would scare off other extremists who might be
contemplating similar action.

But there was little sign of that at the weekend in Bat Ayin, a small Jewish settlement
in the West Bank, and home of three of the detainees. According to the Israeli press
yesterday, the settlement is particularly insular - banning entry to Palestinians and 
to
non-Jews. There are no televisions, and male residents are required to grow beards.

The discovery of the plot has fuelled speculation in Israel of the re-emergence of a
highly sophisticated network of Jewish extremists. During the 1980s, a group known
as the Jewish Underground planned attacks on the Al-Aqsa mosque, a Muslim holy
site in Jerusalem, and struck at Palestinian political figures.

However, Mr Sprinzak dismissed those fears. "That underground is long gone, and
those people have been freed. When people in Israel speak of an underground they
have in mind a sophisticated group, with very well trained operatives. This is nothing
like that."

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