[CTRL] Proud to be an American ?
-Caveat Lector- Tim wrote: >"Thank You "Workers of Iniquity"! Proud to be an American? I don't think so," It's sad, Tim, many on this List will have no idea what you're talking about. They can see a Conspiracy but not their responsibility for the loss of their Liberty. Robert Paul. Ohio state DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deepdudes use of divisive headlines etc,
-Caveat Lector- Kris wrote: >"Yo deepdude is there a particular reason whilst you keep us here at CTRL informed about various social phobias that have a tendency to polarize people and promote hate and ignorance in your headlines?" I appreciate Peter's posts. People often polarize themselves with their own hate and ignorance. Many of them consider opposing viewpoints "hate and ignorance" as well. Go get 'em Bard. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: >"Absolutely. But let's think long, hard, and above all realistically about how we dismantle them." Yes, it won't be easy; I don't think that dismantling the welfare-warfare State can be done collectively.There are things that one can do individually, we need to encourage each other in that direction. >"let's keep in mind that on a world in as sorry a state as ours is in it is not possible to disarm unless all forces do it together." That'll never happen, the Plutocrats that orchestrate these "forces" won't stop until They take the World or until We stop financing them. >"America in particular must take care because the predatory transnational capitalists based here" Yes, this is true. The Ugly American is the mask the Plutocrats wear to rape the World. >"There are no national solutions to global problems," There are some national solutions...if we wait for the World nothing will happen. >"least of all making the world into a single nation state." This is true, if we ever get a World State it will mean universal slavery. >"The nation state must die in the mind of humanity before we can all live in peace and plenty," Yes, statism must die in ALL it's forms before that can happen (even one's favorite version). >"but the corporation must die with it or we're out of the frying pan into the fire." I agree, the corporation is the State's most evil creation. These fictitious "persons" plunder with the privilege of limited liability. A Frankenstein's Monster that feeds on greed and death. Whose fault is that but our own...we all seek our State granted privileges. The government should not have the ability to grant any privilege but that's one way they maintain their authority... Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Joshua2 wrote: >"Instead of a war on poverty, we should declare war on big business." I agree if you mean corporate business" >"The state is not the problem. Capitalism and businessmen are the problem." The State creates the problem by giving privileges to big business. The word capitalism means many things to many people...if you mean mercantilism you're right. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: >"If there is not a massive restructuring, we're going to see a repeat of the kind of social unrest we saw back in the sixties..." That's what we need except most will argue for more statism, the very poison that creates poverty. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Piper wrote: >"To imply that they are Capitalist. The only thing that some of those politicians have capitalized on is other peoples thoughts and work." Most people have no idea what capitalism is...that ideology has been defined mostly by it's enemies and incompetent supporters. I'd rather use the word free enterprisea separation of state and economics with privileges for none. With un-alienable rights for all instead of regulatable, taxable privileges and licenses. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: >"When you look even further the bankers control the Corporations with their money." This is true, but... >"Convert the Federal Reserve from a private institution to a bank for the United States" To give that bank a state sanctioned monopoly would still leave power in the hands of the Plutocracy. >"and the Corporations will be put in their place" We can put them in their place by ending limited liability and other privileges. >"Then, make it illegal for lawyers to hold office" There would be no problem with "liars" holding office if you took away their monopoly and excluded them from legislative or executive office. >"the shares will go to the workers," The shares should go to the investors not to political beneficiaries. >"eliminate the IRS and have a flat 10% sales tax on everything" Let's just eliminate the IRS and cut government down to size. The constitution provides for all the necessary taxation to support proper government. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Immigration Fueling Poverty
-Caveat Lector- COLUMN RIGHT/ DAN STEIN Immigration Is Fueling Poverty Rate It is irrational to maintain a government policy that is increasing the burdens on our social welfare programs. Two new studies provide compelling evidence that, amid an unprecedented economic boom, U.S. immigration policy is fueling an increase in poverty in the U.S. Both the Urban Institute-a Washington-based think tank-and the federal General Accounting Office have found exceptionally high rates of welfare dependence and poverty among immigrants and newly naturalized citizens. While ostensibly making the case for restoring welfare benefits to immigrants, the Urban Institute report, "All Under One Roof: Mixed-Status Families in an Era of Reform," found that poverty among immigrant households is dramatically higher than among the rest of the population. According to the study, one-third of such households have income levels of less than 125% of the official poverty rate, and in the nation's largest county, Los Angeles, immigrant households constitute 59% of those classified as poor. The GAO report found that newly naturalized citizens use public assistance programs in much greater numbers than the native born. The study examined 927,000 people who became U.S. citizens during 1996 and 1997 and found that their dependence on government assistance programs was, in some cases, triple that of the rest of the population. In California, for instance, which is home to the greatest number of immigrants, 23.7% of newly naturalized citizens are receiving Medicaid benefits, compared with 8.2% of Californians as a whole. Nationally, the price tag for providing public assistance just to those who acquired U.S. citizenship during this period was $735 million. This information alone should be enough to lead our government to question our immigration policy. But the GAO report raises another red flag that ought to be sounding alarm bells in Congress: The number of people who became citizens in the fiscal year 1996 was triple the previous peak in the naturalization rate. It also coincided with changes in federal welfare policy, which made noncitizens ineligible for many welfare programs. Thus, it is fair to surmise that the stampede to become American citizens was not a sudden outpouring of patriotism but rather motivated by immigrants' fear that they would lose their government subsidies. But is this a motivation that is really in the long-term interests of the nation? Rising poverty attributable to our immigration policy and the apparent surge in naturalizations to retain eligibility for public assistance programs is a scenario that the late Barbara Jordan cautioned against in her report to Congress as chair of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform. Congresswoman Jordan, a Democrat from Texas, warned that our failure to control illegal immigration and the lack of skills-based admission criteria for most immigrants would inevitably lead to a new underclass in our society. She also stressed that becoming an American ought to be an expression of commitment on the part of immigrants to this country, not simply an affiliation of convenience. Given the fact that what Jordan predicted apparently is coming true, it is incumbent on Congress to enact the basic reforms that her commission recommended. Those include enforcement of laws to deter illegal aliens from coming to seek work and collect benefits in this country and, at least initially, a rollback of legal immigration levels from about 900,000 a year toward more traditional, moderate levels of approximately 500,000. : In addition, the commission's recommendations, which have been ignored by Congress, urged that the selection process be changed to emphasize the personal skills that immigrants possess. It is simply irrational to maintain an immigration policy that is contributing mightily to the growth of poverty in our country and increasing the burdens on our social welfare programs, and doing so during a period of prosperity and nearly full employment. Congress, and particularly the Republican leadership, erroneously believed in 1996 that they could "fix" the immigration problem by denying immigrants public assistance. Leaving aside the question of whether that was a desirable solution, it clearly has proved to be an untenable one. The alarming poverty rates among immigrants in general and the cost of providing public assistance to newly naturalized citizens have proved that approach to be a failure. In 1999, the only way to fix the immigration problem is to fix the broken immigration policy. Dan Stein is the executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform based in Washington. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh wrote: >""The state" is here to stay." This is good...anarchy leads to statism any way. I oppose statism because it is idolatry and the root of most social evil. >"Why should the wealthiest of Americans eliminate something that serves the interests of monopoly capitalism so well?" The Plutocracy will never give up their wealth and power unless we're willing to give then an incentive to do so. "Monopoly capitalism" (a poplar contradiction in terms) doesn't exist. Only the State can maintain a monopoly and only if given the power to do so by an ignorant and lazy People. >"We haven't even touched on the issue of local governments, local politics...how local businessmen use the power of LOCAL governments to keep competition to a minimum" Statism is like cancer...it is difficult to stop and often ends in death. Unfortunately, most advocate more statism as an antidote. >"I'm sorry, Mr. Paul." Robert Paul is my Christian appellation and I avoid the word Mrit has a negative history . >"I remember very well how states, counties, and city municipalities would gleefully violate the civil rights of Americans with impunity." This is true...civil rights are easy to violate since they are mere (state given) privileges. Un-alienable rights is stronger ground to stand on, but against the almighty State no rights are possible. >"It was only the power of the federal government that brought an end to the Jim Crow era." The Jim Crow era was a product of State statism and thanks to the Federal "government" we have "affirmative action" (reverse discrimination),"hate crimes" (thought crimes), the so called drug war and the "War on Poverty" etc.. >"If you want to believe that deregulation will usher in some golden age of prosperity for all," It's not a matter of belief, if one advocates freedom, one advocates deregulation. >"you're welcome to believe that, but I don't think that's likely." Thanks and I think it's likely,,,if we get real deregulation...that is...get the state out of Our business. Proper government acts, as a policeman, to protect the Rights of all. Regulation exists, like a storm-trooper, to control a right-less people. Robert Paul DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- I wrote: >"anarchy leads to statism any way." To which Nessie wrote: >"This is like saying gravity lead to weightlessness." In a free fall one IS weightless. What I meant was...without government criminal gangs come to power and later after one gang conquers the rest they become the "government". DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: >"Do you personally need the gun and the club to keep you in line?" No, we need the gun and the club to keep criminals in line. All government means is organized defense. We have organized food production so that one doesn't have to grow one's own food, otherwise we'd be compelled to defend ourselves without any objectivity. >"Or do you behave like a decent human being because that's what you are?" Yes and even if every one did behave as such we'd still need an organized defense agency if only to arbitrate honest disagreements. We both know that crime will always be with us, though. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Marine who refused anthrax vaccine convicted of disobedience
-Caveat Lector- http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news465.html DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
