Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.]
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A program on TLC last night--"Armageddon"--showed the city built by the Swiss miles down, under the tunnel that runs through the Alps--a modern city equipped to house 20,000. You don't build something like that if you're not expecting trouble. Does anyone here know even one person who would be able to enter one of our underground facilities in case of such trouble? Apart from that place in Virginia (?) does anyone know where our underground facilities are? (Not talking about subways.) Are any of them designed to be "open to the public"? Or are we all expendable? Two points... First, the "Underground Capital" (Mount Weather, etc.) were built to early 1950's specifications, and could not have survived a multiple-warhead attack using high-yield nukes. Even NORAD HQ in Colorado could not withstand a full nuclear assault. Second, from the start, the underground shelters were never intended to provide space for the general public, but only for the political and military elite, along with their corporate sponsors. This was stated explicitly... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or are we all expendable? We sure are. Actually they don't even think of us. And when they do, they consider us as rather sub-human. Did you notice that they thought we were so stupid we didn't know what oral sex was. They did everything but a comic book in their efforts to arouse our wrath. Maybe there's one coming out. It will be so good to have it in pictures. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone here know even one person who would be able to enter one of our underground facilities in case of such trouble? Apart from that place in Virginia (?) does anyone know where our underground facilities are? (Not talking about subways.) Are any of them designed to be "open to the public"? Or are we all expendable? No, i don't. My recollection is that by the 1970s, most people were mocking what feeble federal efforts had been made to carry on in case of a US/USSR nuclear war. For me, the most ludicrous was not even the "duck and cover" nonsense, but rather the Postal Service plan to continue delivering the mail. God forbid we should miss an issue of Readers Digest! Few believed in the efficacy of the few shelters that had been built or conversions of basements in governmental buildings completed. The government folks apparently agreed and the shelter notion was quietly abandoned except for the few DC elite. While i agree that we are unprepared for nuclear weapons hitting our cities, it is not probable that anything practical can be done. Those backward shelters of the 1950s would have been money wasted if an attack would have occurred. There was a controversial British animation film on this that was shown on PBS. There was also an American film with the woman who headed up the NEA for a time playing a major acting role. Made you wonder if survival was necessarily the best thing. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 11:20:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There, I hope that helped clarify things for you. Well, your response was a welcome laugh. Hope others enjoyed it also. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- On 14 Dec 98 , nurev wrote: Next day the Red Chinese nuke every city in America with technology that both Parties allowed their corporate benefactors to sell them. In retaliation, the US nukes every country in the world in the hope that surviving American corporations will get the exclusive contracts to rebuild. There, I hope that helped clarify things for you. LOL!! Laughing and dancing on the edge of the volcano:)) Yep--it's clear. A program on TLC last night--"Armageddon"--showed the city built by the Swiss miles down, under the tunnel that runs through the Alps--a modern city equipped to house 20,000. You don't build something like that if you're not expecting trouble. Does anyone here know even one person who would be able to enter one of our underground facilities in case of such trouble? Apart from that place in Virginia (?) does anyone know where our underground facilities are? (Not talking about subways.) Are any of them designed to be "open to the public"? Or are we all expendable? sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 8:06:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or are we all expendable? Duck and cover . . . Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 6:19:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Few things are more strange than the frequent statements from some on this list that there is no difference between the two major parties. When one compares the legislative votes and what the President proposes, there is a remarkable difference. Generally speaking, when some socially progressive bill comes before Congress, such as an increase in the minimum wage, the democrats will vote in favor by, say, 75% while the Republicans are 7% in favor. If the bill is socially regressive, as in lowering environmental quality standards, the vote pattern is reversed. There's no difference? The Democrats are hardly 10 feet tall. The 4 foot Democratic party only seem tall when compared with the 6 inch Republican party. Jerry Harp The voting is no way to judge whether or not the parties are different. It is the end result which is important. Also some laws have no interest to the "controllers" who are directing things, thus the politicians can vote their conscience or the way the people bribing them want them to. All the other stuff (voting, having hearings, etc. . .) is window dressing and a carefully crafted game to lead us to believe that they really are doing the best for us and that there IS a difference between the two parties, so we will vote for one or the other based upon PERCEIVED differences which are really caricatures of our innermost fears and desires, and not take a real look at the system and start over again with a REAL choice instead of the sham that we have now. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: snip wondrous tale MJ: Ain't Government wonderful. :) Regard$, --MJ But if the government undertakes to raise and to regulate wages, and cannot do so; if it undertakes to assist all the unfortunate, and cannot do so; if it undertakes to provide workers with the tools of production, and cannot do so; if it undertakes to make interest-free credit available to all those clamoring for loans, and cannot do so; if, in words that we regret to note were written by M. de Lamartine, "the state assumes the task of enlightening, developing, increasing, spiritualizing, and sanctifying the soul of the people," and if it fails,; is it not evident that after each disappointment (alas, only too probable!), there will be no less inevitable revolution? -- Frederic Bastiat DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: PRAY - YOU - DON'T - GET - SICK. MJ: While I certainly do NOT believe the Rs will give up their statist ideas ... WHY exactly should the Federal Government (quite contrary to its mandate) FORCE some individuals to pay for 'health care' (whatever that might mean) for others? Regard$, --MJ What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn *belongs* to you -- and why? --Walter Williams DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 1:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Health plan? Social Security? Why do Democrats or Republicans care. They are all multi millionaires. Few things are more strange than the frequent statements from some on this list that there is no difference between the two major parties. When one compares the legislative votes and what the President proposes, there is a remarkable difference. Generally speaking, when some socially progressive bill comes before Congress, such as an increase in the minimum wage, the democrats will vote in favor by, say, 75% while the Republicans are 7% in favor. If the bill is socially regressive, as in lowering environmental quality standards, the vote pattern is reversed. There's no difference? The Democrats are hardly 10 feet tall. The 4 foot Democratic party only seem tall when compared with the 6 inch Republican party. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
