Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
On Feb 3 15:13, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2017-02-02 09:50, Marco Atzeri wrote: > > On 02/02/2017 16:24, Andrey Repin wrote: > >> Greetings, Paul Kitchen! > > Could someone please add IBM Trusteer Rapport > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/trusteer-rapport > to the BLODA list > https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda Done. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
On 2017-02-02 14:12, Paul Kitchen wrote: > I do indeed have Rapport installed and it looks like it does not co-exist > well with CYGWIN. > I rebooted, stopped Rapport and then ran the script I have been trying to > run for a day and it went through flawlessly at normal speed. > It is very strange that 2 different applications that have nothing to do > with each other can interfere with each other in this way. > Once again thank you for taking the time to respond and also to the CYGWIN > team for their time and suggestions. Perhaps you could submit a ticket http://www.trusteer.com/en/support/submit-ticket and inform them that their app does not play well with https://cygwin.com hanging unrelated Windows processes for 15-20 seconds, and perhaps also copy your bank's security team. You may also want to search for info about the app and consider whether you want to have it running other than when you are accessing your bank web site. It has been reported to interfere with other applications and the browsers and may send telemetry to IBM and/or your bank: this may be what causes the hangs. The product privacy link goes nowhere: http://www.ibm.com/software/products/en/ibm-security-trusteer-rapport-privacy -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
On 2017-02-02 09:50, Marco Atzeri wrote: > On 02/02/2017 16:24, Andrey Repin wrote: >> Greetings, Paul Kitchen! Could someone please add IBM Trusteer Rapport http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/trusteer-rapport to the BLODA list https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
On 2/2/2017 4:12 PM, Paul Kitchen wrote: Hello Barry, High Five to you! I do indeed have Rapport installed and it looks like it does not co-exist well with CYGWIN. I rebooted, stopped Rapport and then ran the script I have been trying to run for a day and it went through flawlessly at normal speed. It is very strange that 2 different applications that have nothing to do with each other can interfere with each other in this way. Not so strange, in my experience with Cygwin. Lots of security things interpose themselves in ways that interfere. In a way, that is what they're designed to do - to intercept and block certain things. But sometimes they just slow down something they allow, something that Cygwin does a lot, but that other Windows programs don't do so much, so the purveyor perhaps never noticed the issue (or won't care because the affected population is too small to be worth the effort). Regards - Eliot Moss -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
RE: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
Hello Barry, High Five to you! I do indeed have Rapport installed and it looks like it does not co-exist well with CYGWIN. I rebooted, stopped Rapport and then ran the script I have been trying to run for a day and it went through flawlessly at normal speed. It is very strange that 2 different applications that have nothing to do with each other can interfere with each other in this way. Once again thank you for taking the time to respond and also to the CYGWIN team for their time and suggestions. Paul Kitchen -Original Message- From: b...@theworld.com [mailto:b...@theworld.com] Sent: 02 February 2017 21:03 To: Paul Kitchen Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10 I noticed almost exactly the same problem, I remember it was about 15 seconds per process, and traced it to IBM Rapport Trusteer (some sequence of words like that) banking app which some banks require be installed and running in order to login and view your account. All this seems somewhat better with a recent update to that app. If that may be the problem it's not enough to just use the app's "Rapport Manager" shutdown. I had to kill the manager also via the task manager before there was any change. And unless you do some heroics it will all start itself up at boot, it seems to be installed like a virus (usual MS tools can't seem to stop it from starting at boot.) It's not difficult to stop/restart the app when needed though is annoying as it requires jumping through a captcha, task manager, their manager, etc just to see one's bank balance. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com <http://s.bl-1.com/h/BmZ3xCN?url=http://www.TheWorld.com> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
RE: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
Hi All, I have attached the cygcheck_output.txt file requested. I hope it helps. When I said that the process start delay is 20 seconds. It is precisely 20 seconds give or take a few milliseconds which seems to imply to me to be some kind of a timeout. Just to give more information: I am running CYGWIN on my laptop which does not form a part of any windows domain and is therefore not at any time connected to a DC. It is a personal WORKSTATION. The nsswitch.conf file contains : passwd: db group:db db_enum: cache builtin db_home: /home/%U db_shell: /bin/bash db_gecos: Paul Kitchen -Original Message- From: Marco Atzeri [mailto:marco.atz...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 February 2017 17:51 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Cc: pkitc...@talk21.com Subject: Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10 On 02/02/2017 16:24, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Paul Kitchen! > > To me it sounds you are using domain offline logon. > In any case, > >> Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html <http://s.bl-1.com/h/BmSrLxv?url=http://cygwin.com/problems.html> Hi Paul, specially we need a copy of the cygcheck.out to comment on your system status. Regards Marco Cygwin Configuration Diagnostics Current System Time: Thu Feb 02 19:51:46 2017 Windows 10 Professional Ver 10.0 Build 14393 Path: C:\cygwin64\usr\local\bin C:\cygwin64\bin C:\ProgramData\Oracle\Java\javapath C:\Program Files\AuthenTec TrueSuite C:\Program Files\AuthenTec TrueSuite\x86 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live C:\Windows\system32 C:\Windows C:\Windows\System32\Wbem C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0 C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Roxio Shared\10.0\DLLShared C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Roxio Shared\DLLShared C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\VAIO Startup Setting Tool C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Shared C:\PROGRA~1\DISKEE~1\DISKEE~1 C:\Program Files\Intel\WiFi\bin C:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\WirelessCommon C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Tools\Binn C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Tools\Binn C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\110\DTS\Binn C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Tools\Binn\ManagementStudio C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\DTS\Binn C:\WINDOWS\system32 C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem C:\WINDOWS\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0 C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Acronis\SnapAPI C:\Program Files\Calibre2 C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Acronis\VirtualFile C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Acronis\VirtualFile64 C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\Phone C:\Program Files\Cloud Foundry C:\Program Files\Intel\WiFi\bin C:\Program Files\Common Files\Intel\WirelessCommon C:\Activator\activator-1.3.10-minimal\bin %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps Output from C:\cygwin64\bin\id.exe UID: 197609(Paul) GID: 197121(None) 197121(None) 197608(HomeUsers) 197622(mqbrkrs)197620(mqm) 197632(Ssh Users) 545(Users) 4(INTERACTIVE) 66049(CONSOLE LOGON) 11(Authenticated Users)15(This Organization) 113(Local account) 66048(LOCAL) 262154(NTLM Authentication)401408(Medium Mandatory Level) SysDir: C:\WINDOWS\system32 WinDir: C:\WINDOWS Here's some environment variables that may affect cygwin: USER = 'Paul' PWD = '/home/Paul' HOME = '/home/Paul' Here's the rest of your environment variables: USERDOMAIN = 'MY-VAIO' OS = 'Windows_NT' COMMONPROGRAMFILES = 'C:\Program Files\Common Files' PROCESSOR_LEVEL = '6' PSModulePath = 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\Modules\;c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Tools\PowerShell\Modules\' CommonProgramW6432 = 'C:\Program Files\Common Files' CommonProgramFiles(x86) = 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files' FP_NO_HOST_CHECK = 'NO' LANG = 'en_GB.UTF-8' TZ = 'Europe/Berlin' HOSTNAME = 'My-VAIO' PUBLIC = 'C:\Users\Public' OLDPWD = '/cygdrive/c/Users/Paul/Desktop' JD2_HOME = 'C:\Users\Paul\AppData\Local\JDownloader 2.0' USERNAME = 'Paul' JAVA_HOME = 'C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_60' LOGONSERVER = '\\MY-VAIO' PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE = 'AMD64' LOCALAPPDATA = 'C:\Users\Paul\AppData\Local' COMPUTERNAME = 'MY-VAIO' FPS_BROWSER_APP_PROFILE_STRING = 'Internet Explorer' !
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
I noticed almost exactly the same problem, I remember it was about 15 seconds per process, and traced it to IBM Rapport Trusteer (some sequence of words like that) banking app which some banks require be installed and running in order to login and view your account. All this seems somewhat better with a recent update to that app. If that may be the problem it's not enough to just use the app's "Rapport Manager" shutdown. I had to kill the manager also via the task manager before there was any change. And unless you do some heroics it will all start itself up at boot, it seems to be installed like a virus (usual MS tools can't seem to stop it from starting at boot.) It's not difficult to stop/restart the app when needed though is annoying as it requires jumping through a captcha, task manager, their manager, etc just to see one's bank balance. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
On 02/02/2017 16:24, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, Paul Kitchen! To me it sounds you are using domain offline logon. In any case, Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Hi Paul, specially we need a copy of the cygcheck.out to comment on your system status. Regards Marco -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Issue with delayed process start and effect on Windows 10
Greetings, Paul Kitchen! > During a script run initiated in the Cygwin terminal, I noticed that after a > very short while, the execution would slow down to a crawl. The script was > running but in very slow motion. > I looked at the sequence of events using a windows sysinternals tool and > found that there is a delay in starting (forking?) a new command (e.g. ls) > of precisely 20 seconds which is strange. The script runs normally but very > very slowly. > I noticed a side effect too. After the slowing down in Cygwin, certain > windows apps behaved the same way as though there was cross contamination > from Cygwin. Windows Task Manager takes about 40 second to appear and same > for the Windows Command Window. Flash extension in the Chrome browser would > continuously fail to start. To repair the situation I had to reboot. To > make sure that Cygwin was not still active, I aborted all bash.exe processes > that were running and the problem continued to persist. > Is this a known problem? For me it makes Cygwin completely unusable which > is a pity. To me it sounds you are using domain offline logon. In any case, > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html -- With best regards, Andrey Repin Thursday, February 2, 2017 18:23:38 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple