Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Takuma Murakami wrote:

> Igor,
>
> > Yes, it's a neat trick *if* the only thing people changed was the install
> > drive.  If they change the path, all bets are off.  I'm surprised you
> > don't actually customize startxwin.bat (and similar files, like
> > startxdmcp.bat) in a postinstall script (which can run under a Cygwin
> > shell, and thus know the root of the install).  You could choose a
> > template value, e.g. "%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%", and replace that with "`cygpath -w
> > /`" using, say, sed.  If you're interested, I could whip up an example
> > postinstall script for you in the next week or so.
>
> I'm interested in that trick out of curiosity.
> Could you show me your boilerplate?
>
> Takuma Murakami

Well, something like the script below (untested) should do...  This uses
'%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%' as the template string.
HTH,
Igor

-- BEGIN /etc/postinstall/fix-startxwin.sh --
#!/bin/sh

fix_cygwin_root() {
  TMPNAME="$1.$$" && \
  mv "$1" "$TMPNAME" && \
  sed 's/%\$CYGWIN_ROOT\$%/"'"`cygpath -w /`"'"/' "$TMPNAME" > "$1" && \
  rm "$TMPNAME"
}

cd /usr/X11R6/bin && \
for i in startxwin.bat startxdmcp.bat; do \
  fix_cygwin_root "$i" \
done
- Note: cutting here may damage your screen surface -

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Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Takuma Murakami wrote:
>
> > Igor,
> >
> > > Yes, it's a neat trick *if* the only thing people changed was the install
> > > drive.  If they change the path, all bets are off.  I'm surprised you
> > > don't actually customize startxwin.bat (and similar files, like
> > > startxdmcp.bat) in a postinstall script (which can run under a Cygwin
> > > shell, and thus know the root of the install).  You could choose a
> > > template value, e.g. "%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%", and replace that with "`cygpath -w
> > > /`" using, say, sed.  If you're interested, I could whip up an example
> > > postinstall script for you in the next week or so.
> >
> > I'm interested in that trick out of curiosity.
> > Could you show me your boilerplate?
> >
> > Takuma Murakami
>
> Well, something like the script below (untested) should do...  This uses
> '%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%' as the template string.
> HTH,
> Igor
>
> -- BEGIN /etc/postinstall/fix-startxwin.sh --
> #!/bin/sh
>
> fix_cygwin_root() {
>   TMPNAME="$1.$$" && \
>   mv "$1" "$TMPNAME" && \
>   sed 's/%\$CYGWIN_ROOT\$%/"'"`cygpath -w /`"'"/' "$TMPNAME" > "$1" && \
>   rm "$TMPNAME"
> }
>
> cd /usr/X11R6/bin && \
> for i in startxwin.bat startxdmcp.bat; do \
>   fix_cygwin_root "$i" \
^
s/ \\$/ ; \\/

> done
> - Note: cutting here may damage your screen surface -

I did say it was untested...
Igor
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Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Takuma Murakami]

Igor,

> Yes, it's a neat trick *if* the only thing people changed was the install
> drive.  If they change the path, all bets are off.  I'm surprised you
> don't actually customize startxwin.bat (and similar files, like
> startxdmcp.bat) in a postinstall script (which can run under a Cygwin
> shell, and thus know the root of the install).  You could choose a
> template value, e.g. "%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%", and replace that with "`cygpath -w
> /`" using, say, sed.  If you're interested, I could whip up an example
> postinstall script for you in the next week or so.

I'm interested in that trick out of curiosity.
Could you show me your boilerplate?

Takuma Murakami

Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Jari Aalto+mail.linux]

This is your copy. Article has been posted to the newsgroup(s).

* Tue 2004-02-03 Thomas L Roche  us.ibm.com> gnu.emacs.help
* 
| 
| [Cygwin]
| $ emacs --debug-init &
| $ start XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -emulate3buttons
| 
| I typically run 2 emacs windows (second created with C-x 5 b) and 
| 1 xterm, all of which usually overlap ... until the emacs windows
| disappear, apparently randomly, although lately I'm convinced that 
| emacs crashes are more likely when I'm either resizing or 
| minimizing its windows. I've so far run 2 cygwin sessions today,
| once at home (with access to shared drives via a VPN) and once at
| work (directly on ethernet), and the xterm traces have been:

You're not alone. Windowed version of Emacs doesn't work under latest
Cygwin/Xfree. It either core dumps or Emacs just kills itself by
removing all frames from the display.

Perhaps Cygwin Emacs maintainer have ideas. I've CC'd him.

Jari


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Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Igor,
>
> > This (and the existence of CYGWIN_ROOT in your environment) is an artifact
> > of using startxwin.bat.  Unless you have a default directory for the
> > Cygwin root, you can't use that file OOTB -- you'll have to edit it and
> > replace "\cygwin" with the value of your Cygwin root (in your case,
> > "d:\ProgramFiles\Cygwin".
> >
> >> CYGWIN_ROOT = `\cygwin'
> >
>
> Well, you can always just set CYGWIN_ROOT to \ProgramFiles\Cygwin, with
> no leading drive letter and colon.  I think you probably knew that
> already...  I am still amazed at the number of times I have seen people
> go in and change \cygwin to c:\cygwin when they have problems... even
> after reading my comment immediately above it that describes why doing
> this is not necessary.  Sheesh, I thought it was a quite beautiful trick
> to allow the path to be set correctly no matter what drive the cygwin
> folder is on.  :)
>
> Harold

Yes, it's a neat trick *if* the only thing people changed was the install
drive.  If they change the path, all bets are off.  I'm surprised you
don't actually customize startxwin.bat (and similar files, like
startxdmcp.bat) in a postinstall script (which can run under a Cygwin
shell, and thus know the root of the install).  You could choose a
template value, e.g. "%$CYGWIN_ROOT$%", and replace that with "`cygpath -w
/`" using, say, sed.  If you're interested, I could whip up an example
postinstall script for you in the next week or so.
Igor
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Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Harold L Hunt II]

Igor,

This (and the existence of CYGWIN_ROOT in your environment) is an artifact
of using startxwin.bat.  Unless you have a default directory for the
Cygwin root, you can't use that file OOTB -- you'll have to edit it and
replace "\cygwin" with the value of your Cygwin root (in your case,
"d:\ProgramFiles\Cygwin".
CYGWIN_ROOT = `\cygwin'

Well, you can always just set CYGWIN_ROOT to \ProgramFiles\Cygwin, with 
no leading drive letter and colon.  I think you probably knew that 
already...  I am still amazed at the number of times I have seen people 
go in and change \cygwin to c:\cygwin when they have problems... even 
after reading my comment immediately above it that describes why doing 
this is not necessary.  Sheesh, I thought it was a quite beautiful trick 
to allow the path to be set correctly no matter what drive the cygwin 
folder is on.  :)

Harold

Re: cygwin/xfree86/emacs problems after upgrading

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas L Roche wrote:

> [snip]
> Note that I run emacs via
>
> emacs --debug-init &
>
> from bash in an xterm which I launch with
>
> start XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -emulate3buttons

Not quite.  Judging from your cygcheck output, you use startxwin.bat.
More below.

> [snip]
> However I'm also, again only since upgrading, having problems with
> unzip, e.g.
>
> >   inflating:
> /d/eclipse/builds/20040121_1953-WB213-AD-V512D-00/eclipse/plugins/com.ibm.etools.j2ee.ui/build/pluginBuild/commonbld/com/ibm/etools/ejb/ui/presentation/EJBEditorOutlineContentProvider.class
>
> > 735 [main] unzip 1820 cmalloc: cmalloc returned NULL
> > error:  zipfile probably corrupt (segmentation violation)
>
> which I get even unzip'ing a known-good file (i.e. one that I unzip'ed
> successfully before upgrading from 1.5.5-1).

Do you have a small testcase that would allow others to reproduce this?
Perhaps a (small) sample .zip file?

> [snip]
> So it seems plausible that there is also a (base) cygwin problem, which
> might be causing the emacs and unzip problems. Or that the emacs and
> unzip problems are unrelated.

They most likely are unrelated.

> What should I try next?

I'd suspect the unzip issue has to do with the path length to the file.
You can try confirming it by creating a file in a deeply nested directory,
putting that one file in a .zip, and then trying to unzip it into some
place even deeper in the directory hierarchy.  Can't help you with the
emacs issue, as I don't use emacs.

> [snip]
> (Note that cygcheck shows
>
> d:\cygwin\bin
> d:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin
>
> at the head of my PATH; those dirs don't exist, and they're not in my
> windows path.)

This (and the existence of CYGWIN_ROOT in your environment) is an artifact
of using startxwin.bat.  Unless you have a default directory for the
Cygwin root, you can't use that file OOTB -- you'll have to edit it and
replace "\cygwin" with the value of your Cygwin root (in your case,
"d:\ProgramFiles\Cygwin".

> CYGWIN_ROOT = `\cygwin'

Hope this helps,
Igor
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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

Igor,

Cool.  Thanks!

Harold

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:


On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:


Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:


Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:


hi again...

Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
qutoes :-D
Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted,
the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that
needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.
As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just
asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy.
As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the
tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.
Harold
Ok, I'll try to checkout the CVS tree at some point soon and produce this
patch off the correct file.
Base the patch off of the SourceForge tree that we have for now:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xoncygwin/

That's what I essentially do my builds from, so it should work.
Hopefully the file in question is actually in that tree... if not, then
just wait until our freedesktop.org tree is ready.
Harold
Harold,

The file (startx.cpp) is in xc/programs/xinit, and the xoncygwin tree only
has xc/programs/Xserver.  Are you going to use the tree on freedesktop.org
(which is already set up at "xorg") for further builds of the non-server
parts?  If so, should I use the MAIN branch there, or the XORG-CURRENT
branch?
   Igor


Harold,

Here's a patch against the HEAD of the MAIN branch in the xorg tree at
freedesktop.org.  ChangeLog is below.  Let me know if there's a problem.
Igor
==
ChangeLog:
2003-12-02  Igor Pechtchanski  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp: Make space-friendly.




--- xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp-orig	2003-12-02 13:10:12.0 -0500
+++ xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp	2003-12-02 13:45:06.566899200 -0500
@@ -48,8 +48,9 @@ fi
 scoclientrc=$HOME/.startxrc
 #endif
 
-userclientrc=$HOME/.xinitrc
-userserverrc=$HOME/.xserverrc
+userclientrc="$HOME/.xinitrc"
+userserverrc="$HOME/.xserverrc"
+/* Note: XINITDIR and BINDIR should be space-free */
 sysclientrc=XINITDIR/xinitrc
 sysserverrc=XINITDIR/xserverrc
 defaultclient=BINDIR/xterm
@@ -64,19 +65,19 @@ if [ -f $scoclientrc ]; then
 defaultclientargs=$scoclientrc
 else
 #endif
-if [ -f $userclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$userclientrc
-elif [ -f $sysclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$sysclientrc
+if [ -f "$userclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$userclientrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$sysclientrc\""
 fi
 #ifdef SCO
 fi
 #endif
 
-if [ -f $userserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$userserverrc
-elif [ -f $sysserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$sysserverrc
+if [ -f "$userserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$userserverrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$sysserverrc\""
 fi
 
 whoseargs="client"
@@ -86,15 +87,15 @@ while [ x"$1" != x ]; do
 /''*|\./''*)
 	if [ "$whoseargs" = "client" ]; then
 	if [ x"$clientargs" = x ]; then
-		client="$1"
+		client="\"$1\""
 	else
-		clientargs="$clientargs $1"
+		clientargs="$clientargs \"$1\""
 	fi
 	else
 	if [ x"$serverargs" = x ]; then
-		server="$1"
+		server="\"$1\""
 	else
-		serverargs="$serverargs $1"
+		serverargs="$serverargs \"$1\""
 	fi
 	fi
 	;;
@@ -103,14 +104,14 @@ while [ x"$1" != x ]; do
 	;;
 *)
 	if [ "$whoseargs" = "client" ]; then
-	clientargs="$clientargs $1"
+	clientargs="$clientargs \"$1\""
 	else
 	XCOMM display must be the FIRST server argument
 	if [ x"$serverargs" = x ] && @@
 		 expr "$1" : ':[0-9][0-9]*$' > /dev/null 2>&1; then
-		display="$1"
+		display="\"$1\""
 	else
-		serverargs="$serverargs $1"
+		serverargs="$serverargs \"$1\""
 	fi
 	fi
 	;;
@@ -124,7 +125,7 @@ if [ x"$client" = x ]; then
 if [ x"$clientargs" = x ]; then
 	client="$defaultclientargs"
 else
-	client=$defaultclient
+	client="$defaultclient"
 fi
 fi
 
@@ -134,12 +135,12 @@ if [ x"$server" = x ]; then
 if [ x"$serverargs" = x -a x"$display" = x ]; then
 	server="$defaultserverargs"
 else
-	server=$defaultserver
+	server="$defaultserver"
 fi
 fi
 
 if [ x"$XAUTHORITY" = x ]; then
-XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority
+XAUTHORITY="$HOME/.Xauthority"
 export XAUTHORITY
 fi
 
@@ -172,9 +173,13 @@ EOF
 done
 #endif
 
-xinit $client $clientargs -- $server $display $serverargs
+XCOMM correctly process quotes, etc
+eval "set -- $client $clientargs -- $server $display $serverargs"
+
+xinit "$@"
 
 i

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
>
> > Igor,
> >
> > Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> > >
> > >>Igor,
> > >>
> > >>Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:
> > >>>
> > hi again...
> > 
> > Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
> > operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
> > qutoes :-D
> > >>>
> > >>>Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
> > >>
> > >>As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted,
> > >>the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that
> > >>needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.
> > >>
> > >>As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just
> > >>asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy.
> > >>  As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the
> > >>tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.
> > >>
> > >>Harold
> > >
> > > Ok, I'll try to checkout the CVS tree at some point soon and produce this
> > > patch off the correct file.
> >
> > Base the patch off of the SourceForge tree that we have for now:
> >
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/xoncygwin/
> >
> > That's what I essentially do my builds from, so it should work.
> > Hopefully the file in question is actually in that tree... if not, then
> > just wait until our freedesktop.org tree is ready.
> >
> > Harold
>
> Harold,
>
> The file (startx.cpp) is in xc/programs/xinit, and the xoncygwin tree only
> has xc/programs/Xserver.  Are you going to use the tree on freedesktop.org
> (which is already set up at "xorg") for further builds of the non-server
> parts?  If so, should I use the MAIN branch there, or the XORG-CURRENT
> branch?
> Igor

Harold,

Here's a patch against the HEAD of the MAIN branch in the xorg tree at
freedesktop.org.  ChangeLog is below.  Let me know if there's a problem.
Igor
==
ChangeLog:
2003-12-02  Igor Pechtchanski  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp: Make space-friendly.

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"I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route
to the bathroom is a major career booster."  -- Patrick Naughton--- xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp-orig   2003-12-02 13:10:12.0 -0500
+++ xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp2003-12-02 13:45:06.566899200 -0500
@@ -48,8 +48,9 @@ fi
 scoclientrc=$HOME/.startxrc
 #endif
 
-userclientrc=$HOME/.xinitrc
-userserverrc=$HOME/.xserverrc
+userclientrc="$HOME/.xinitrc"
+userserverrc="$HOME/.xserverrc"
+/* Note: XINITDIR and BINDIR should be space-free */
 sysclientrc=XINITDIR/xinitrc
 sysserverrc=XINITDIR/xserverrc
 defaultclient=BINDIR/xterm
@@ -64,19 +65,19 @@ if [ -f $scoclientrc ]; then
 defaultclientargs=$scoclientrc
 else
 #endif
-if [ -f $userclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$userclientrc
-elif [ -f $sysclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$sysclientrc
+if [ -f "$userclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$userclientrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$sysclientrc\""
 fi
 #ifdef SCO
 fi
 #endif
 
-if [ -f $userserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$userserverrc
-elif [ -f $sysserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$sysserverrc
+if [ -f "$userserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$userserverrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$sysserverrc\""
 fi
 
 whoseargs="client"
@@ -86,15 +87,15 @@ while [ x"$1" != x ]; do
 /''*|\./''*)
if [ "$whoseargs" = "client" ]; then
if [ x"$clientargs" = x ]; then
-   client="$1"
+   client="\"$1\""
else
-   clientargs="$clientargs $1"
+   clientargs="$clientargs \"$1\""
fi
else
if [ x"$serverargs" = x ]; then
-   server="$1"
+   server="\"$1\""
else
-   serverargs="$serverargs $1"
+   serverargs="$serverargs \"$1\""
fi
fi
;;
@@ -103,14 +104,14 @@ while [ x"$1" != x ]; do
;;
 *)
if [ "$whoseargs" = "client" ]; then
-   clientargs="$clientargs $1"
+   clientargs="$clientargs \"$1\""
else
XCOMM display must be the FIRST server argument
if [ x"$serverargs" = x ] && @@
 expr "$1" : ':[0-9][0-9]*$' > /dev/null 2>&1; then
-   display="$1"
+   display="\"$1\""
   

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Igor,
>
> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> >
> >>Igor,
> >>
> >>Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:
> >>>
> hi again...
> 
> Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
> operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
> qutoes :-D
> >>>
> >>>Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
> >>
> >>As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted,
> >>the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that
> >>needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.
> >>
> >>As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just
> >>asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy.
> >>  As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the
> >>tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.
> >>
> >>Harold
> >
> > Ok, I'll try to checkout the CVS tree at some point soon and produce this
> > patch off the correct file.
>
> Base the patch off of the SourceForge tree that we have for now:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xoncygwin/
>
> That's what I essentially do my builds from, so it should work.
> Hopefully the file in question is actually in that tree... if not, then
> just wait until our freedesktop.org tree is ready.
>
> Harold

Harold,

The file (startx.cpp) is in xc/programs/xinit, and the xoncygwin tree only
has xc/programs/Xserver.  Are you going to use the tree on freedesktop.org
(which is already set up at "xorg") for further builds of the non-server
parts?  If so, should I use the MAIN branch there, or the XORG-CURRENT
branch?
Igor
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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Hans Dekker wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Don't know if I am answering to the right question/ problem, but I see
> some referrals to passwd, username etc. To get to login to a Unix box
> with X you can use the following script, after starting X and getting
> into the xterm box of your local machine:
>
>  > xhost + > /dev/null
>  > export IPADDR=`ipconfig | grep Address | grep "10\." | cut -f 2 -d ":" | cut -f 2 
> -d " "`
>  > rsh  -l ${USERNAME} "export DISPLAY=\"${IPADDR}:0.0\";cd $HOME; xterm"

Make that "${USERNAME}" (the username may contain spaces too).  However,
why bother, if you can make "$USER" be without spaces in /etc/passwd?
Igor

> Use a modified startxwin.bat like:
>
>  > start XWin -multiwindow
>  > xterm -T "your app initialisation screen" -e 
>
>
> Note that the bash shell copies the MS-Windows environment to it as you
> start it. That's the referral to ${USERNAME}. We have the same usernames
> for the MS-Windows environment as well as the Unix box logging in to.
> You can fill out your username on the remote Unix box as needed.
>
> The string Address is what grep looks for in the output of ipconfig.
> Maybe different in your locale. Check ipconfig output in your bash box.
>
> 10\. is part of our IP-address range in the Unix/ Windows network. It's
> useful to scan your IP adresses when you have more than 1 NIC or more
> than 1 IP-address.
>
> In case you have a $HOME on the remote machine with spaces in it try cd
> \"${HOME}\" in the script.
>
> Regards, Hans.
>
> Igor Pechtchanski escribio:
> > Robert,
> >
> > Sorry, but no.  Cygwin doesn't care about the Windows username, it looks
> > in /etc/passwd.  If you change the name of the Windows account, you'd have
> > to regenerate the appropriate entry in /etc/passwd anyway, so why not just
> > eliminate the middle step and change /etc/passwd directly?  Simply remove
> > the spaces from the username and the home directory in /etc/passwd (and
> > make sure you rename the directory itself), and it should be fine.
> >   Igor
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Robert McNulty Junior wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I think these names with spaces come from when they originally set up
> >>Windows NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000 with thier full name when asked create
> >>users in NT, 2000, XP or 2003 Server.
> >>Correct this by going into the Windows Users' account setup in Control
> >>Panel, and create a user without the spaces in the name.
> >>Chan, use chansengloong as your new user name. Must be done in administrater
> >>mode.
> >>Over all effect will be a new account under Cygwin though windows.
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Markebo
> >>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:35 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem
> >>
> >>
> >>/ Chan Seng Loong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>|[...]
> >>| $ startx
> >>| + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
> >>| + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
> >>
> >>just a wild thought, homedir with space in it, try without.. edit
> >>/etc/passwd.
> >>
> >>/A

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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Hans Dekker]

Hi,

Don't know if I am answering to the right question/ problem, but I see 
some referrals to passwd, username etc. To get to login to a Unix box 
with X you can use the following script, after starting X and getting 
into the xterm box of your local machine:

> xhost + > /dev/null
> export IPADDR=`ipconfig | grep Address | grep "10\." | cut -f 2 -d 
":" | cut -f 2 -d " "`
> rsh  -l ${USERNAME} "export DISPLAY=\"${IPADDR}:0.0\";cd $HOME; 
xterm"

Use a modified startxwin.bat like:

> start XWin -multiwindow
> xterm -T "your app initialisation screen" -e 
Note that the bash shell copies the MS-Windows environment to it as you 
start it. That's the referral to ${USERNAME}. We have the same usernames 
for the MS-Windows environment as well as the Unix box logging in to. 
You can fill out your username on the remote Unix box as needed.

The string Address is what grep looks for in the output of ipconfig. 
Maybe different in your locale. Check ipconfig output in your bash box.

10\. is part of our IP-address range in the Unix/ Windows network. It's 
useful to scan your IP adresses when you have more than 1 NIC or more 
than 1 IP-address.

In case you have a $HOME on the remote machine with spaces in it try cd 
\"${HOME}\" in the script.

Regards, Hans.

Igor Pechtchanski escribió:
Robert,

Sorry, but no.  Cygwin doesn't care about the Windows username, it looks
in /etc/passwd.  If you change the name of the Windows account, you'd have
to regenerate the appropriate entry in /etc/passwd anyway, so why not just
eliminate the middle step and change /etc/passwd directly?  Simply remove
the spaces from the username and the home directory in /etc/passwd (and
make sure you rename the directory itself), and it should be fine.
Igor
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Robert McNulty Junior wrote:


I think these names with spaces come from when they originally set up
Windows NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000 with thier full name when asked create
users in NT, 2000, XP or 2003 Server.
Correct this by going into the Windows Users' account setup in Control
Panel, and create a user without the spaces in the name.
Chan, use chansengloong as your new user name. Must be done in administrater
mode.
Over all effect will be a new account under Cygwin though windows.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Markebo
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem
/ Chan Seng Loong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|[...]
| $ startx
| + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
| + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
just a wild thought, homedir with space in it, try without.. edit
/etc/passwd.
   /A

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RE: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Robert,

Sorry, but no.  Cygwin doesn't care about the Windows username, it looks
in /etc/passwd.  If you change the name of the Windows account, you'd have
to regenerate the appropriate entry in /etc/passwd anyway, so why not just
eliminate the middle step and change /etc/passwd directly?  Simply remove
the spaces from the username and the home directory in /etc/passwd (and
make sure you rename the directory itself), and it should be fine.
Igor

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Robert McNulty Junior wrote:

> I think these names with spaces come from when they originally set up
> Windows NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000 with thier full name when asked create
> users in NT, 2000, XP or 2003 Server.
> Correct this by going into the Windows Users' account setup in Control
> Panel, and create a user without the spaces in the name.
> Chan, use chansengloong as your new user name. Must be done in administrater
> mode.
> Over all effect will be a new account under Cygwin though windows.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Markebo
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem
>
>
> / Chan Seng Loong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |[...]
> | $ startx
> | + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
> | + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
>
> just a wild thought, homedir with space in it, try without.. edit
> /etc/passwd.
>
> /A
>
> --
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> dinner. Liberty is a well-armed sheep willing to contest the decision.
>
>
>

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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:


Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:



hi again...

Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
qutoes :-D


Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted,
the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that
needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.
As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just
asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy.
 As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the
tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.
Harold


Ok, I'll try to checkout the CVS tree at some point soon and produce this
patch off the correct file.
Base the patch off of the SourceForge tree that we have for now:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xoncygwin/

That's what I essentially do my builds from, so it should work. 
Hopefully the file in question is actually in that tree... if not, then 
just wait until our freedesktop.org tree is ready.

Harold

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Igor,
>
> Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:
> >
> >
> >>hi again...
> >>
> >>Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
> >>operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
> >>qutoes :-D
> >
> >
> > Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
>
> As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted,
> the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that
> needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.
>
> As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just
> asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy.
>   As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the
> tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.
>
> Harold

Ok, I'll try to checkout the CVS tree at some point soon and produce this
patch off the correct file.
Igor
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RE: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Robert McNulty Junior]

I think these names with spaces come from when they originally set up
Windows NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000 with thier full name when asked create
users in NT, 2000, XP or 2003 Server.
Correct this by going into the Windows Users' account setup in Control
Panel, and create a user without the spaces in the name.
Chan, use chansengloong as your new user name. Must be done in administrater
mode.
Over all effect will be a new account under Cygwin though windows.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Markebo
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem


/ Chan Seng Loong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|[...]
| $ startx
| + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
| + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc

just a wild thought, homedir with space in it, try without.. edit
/etc/passwd.

/A

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dinner. Liberty is a well-armed sheep willing to contest the decision.

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Andrew Markebo]

/ Chan Seng Loong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|[...]
| $ startx
| + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
| + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc

just a wild thought, homedir with space in it, try without.. edit
/etc/passwd.

/A

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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[David Andersen]

One of the messages may be from xclock - I also get the *Warning: Cannot
convert string "" to type XftFont* message everytime I load xclock (from
.xinitrc or from an xterm).   It doesn't seem to hurt anything, but it would
be nice to know what causes it.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chan Seng Loong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: gmane.os.cygwin.xfree
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem
...
> + xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1
...
> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
> Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Chan Seng Loong]

hiagain

I check the setup.exe and it say that I already
installed:

libconfig-devel
libfontconfig1
libfreetype2-devel
libfreetype26

packages...

still I got the fontconfig problem:

Chan Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ startx
+ userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
+ userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
+ sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
+ sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc
+ defaultclient=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
+ defaultserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X
+ defaultclientargs=
+ defaultserverargs=
+ clientargs=
+ serverargs=
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc ]
+ defaultclientargs="/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc ]
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc ]
+ whoseargs=client
+ [ x != x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ client="/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x -a x = x ]
+ server=
+ [ x = x ]
+ XAUTHORITY=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xauthority
+ export XAUTHORITY
+ removelist=
+ eval set -- "/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"  --
+ set -- /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc --
+ xinit /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc --

+ userresources=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources
+ usermodmap=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap
+ sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources
+ sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources ]
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap ]
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources ]
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap ]
+ twm
+ xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1
+ xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51
+ xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0
+ exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont

Well, i check the /etc/x11/fs/config:

# font server configuration file
# $Xorg: config.cpp,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:19 cpqbld
Exp $

clone-self = on
use-syslog = off
catalogue =
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
error-file = /var/log/xfs.log
# in decipoints
default-point-size = 120
default-resolutions = 75,75,100,100

# font cache control, specified in KB
cache-hi-mark = 2048
cache-low-mark = 1433
cache-balance = 70




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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

Igor,

Igor Pechtchanski wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:


hi again...

Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
qutoes :-D


Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?
As you suspected, I think this is actually a generated file.  Granted, 
the input is similar to the output, but it is a different file that 
needs to be patched.  Again, I cannot check this right now.

As far as what to do with the patch, it is hard to say.  Are you just 
asking about how it will get into my next release?  That should be easy. 
 As far as finding it an upstream home, we still have to wait for the 
tree on freedesktop.org to finish being setup.

Harold

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:

> hi again...
>
> Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
> operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
> qutoes :-D

Good.  Harold, how do you want to go about incorporating the patch?

> [snip]
> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
> Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont
>
> Now the problem is the Fontconfig and freetype2 packages
> yes, I'm doing the "Install from Internet"
> but in the XFree86 category... I only find:
> [snip]

They're both in the Libs category.

> Hmmm...
>
> maybe they should include a search package
> option..
> can't find the Fontconfig and freetype2...
>
> Btw, is fontconfig file in etc/X11 directory?

First off, there's a package search page on the internet:
.  You can also use the "Full" view in the
setup program to see all packages in alphabetical order (or the "Not
installed" view to limit the packages to those not on your system).
HTH,
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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Chan Seng Loong]

hi again...

Thanks to Mr. Igor Pechtchanski, the "[: Seng: unknown
operand" problem is eleminated with the power of ""
qutoes :-D

Chan Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ startx
+ userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
+ userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
+ sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
+ sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc
+ defaultclient=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
+ defaultserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X
+ defaultclientargs=
+ defaultserverargs=
+ clientargs=
+ serverargs=
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc ]
+ defaultclientargs="/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc ]
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc ]
+ whoseargs=client
+ [ x != x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ client="/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x -a x = x ]
+ server=
+ [ x = x ]
+ XAUTHORITY=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xauthority
+ export XAUTHORITY
+ removelist=
+ eval set -- "/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc"  --
+ set -- /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc --
+ xinit /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc --

+ userresources=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources
+ usermodmap=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap
+ sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources
+ sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources ]
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap ]
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources ]
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap ]
+ twm
+ xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1
+ xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51
+ xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0
+ exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont

Now the problem is the Fontconfig and freetype2
packages yes, I'm doing the "Install from
Internet"
but in the XFree86 category... I only find:

WindowMaker
XFree86-base
XFree86-bin
XFree86-bin-icons
XFree86-doc
XFree86-etc
XFree86-f100
XFree86-fcyr
XFree86-fenc
XFree86-fnts
XFree86-fscl
XFree86-fsrv
XFree86-html
XFree86-jdoc
XFree86-lib
XFree86-lib-compact
XFree86-man
XFree86-nest
XFree86-prog
XFree86-prt
XFree86-ps
XFree86-startup-script
XFree86-xserv
XFree86-xwinclip
Xaw3d
cgoban
fvwm
grace
gv
lessitf
libProplist
openbox
x2x
xfig
xfig-base
xfig-bin
xfig-doc
xfig-etc
xfig-lib
xfig-man
xgraph
xwinclip

Hmmm...

maybe they should include a search package
option..
can't find the Fontconfig and freetype2...

Btw, is fontconfig file in etc/X11 directory?


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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

They are in the XFree86 category.  Should be sorted towards the top of 
the list.  You are doing an "Install from Internet", right?

Harold

Chan Seng Loong wrote:

hi... again

I tried using the "$HOME" -> qutoesbut failed

where can i get the fontconfig and freetype2
packages.. which category there in
can't find them in the cygwin setup...
Thanks

John

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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Chan Seng Loong]

hi... again

I tried using the "$HOME" -> qutoesbut failed

where can i get the fontconfig and freetype2
packages.. which category there in
can't find them in the cygwin setup...


Thanks

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Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Chan Seng Loong wrote:

> hi...
>
> I having problem using startx to startx the X window
> or X server...
>
> here are the error:
>
> Chan Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
> $ startx
> + userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
> + userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
> + sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
> + sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc
> + defaultclient=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
> + defaultserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X
> + defaultclientargs=
> + defaultserverargs=
> + clientargs=
> + serverargs=
> + [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc ]
> [: Seng: unknown operand
> + [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc ]
> + defaultclientargs=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
> + [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc ]
> [: Seng: unknown operand
> + [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc ]
> + whoseargs=client
> + [ x != x ]
> + [ x = x ]
> + [ x = x ]
> + client=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
> + [ x = x ]
> + [ x = x -a x = x ]
> + server=
> + [ x = x ]
> + XAUTHORITY=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xauthority
> + export XAUTHORITY
> + removelist=
> + xinit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc --
>
> + userresources=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources
> + usermodmap=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap
> + sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources
> + sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap
> + [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources ]
> + [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap ]
> + [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources ]
> [: Seng: unknown operand
> + [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap ]
> [: Seng: unknown operand
> + twm
> + xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1
> + xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51
> + xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0
> + exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
> Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont
>
> I tried to fix the probelm using the XF86Config and .xinitrc file.
> but failed.
>
> Can someone help me to solve the problem..?
>
> Thanks
> John

John,

Your username (and, consequently, your home directory) has spaces in it.
The startx script is not space-in-filename friendly (missing quotes), and
thus some parts of it don't run correctly.  Below is a patch to the startx
script that should make it work with home dirs containing spaces
(untested).  Please save the attached patch as /tmp/startx.patch and run
'cd /usr/X11R6/bin && patch -p0 < /tmp/startx.patch'.  You should then be
able to use the script.

Harold, this patch is against /usr/X11R6/bin/startx from
XFree86-bin-4.3.0-7 (CVS revision "XFree86: startx.cpp 3.16"). I have a
feeling this file is auto-generated (haven't looked at the build process).
I don't know if you can incorporate this patch as-is as Cygwin-specific,
or if you need a patch to the original source, startx.cpp (either for
Cygwin or to send upstream).  Let me know either way, and I'll either
create a ChangeLog for this patch, or create one against the CVS source.
HTH,
Igor
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"I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route
to the bathroom is a major career booster."  -- Patrick Naughton--- startx-orig 2003-10-28 12:10:43.0 -0500
+++ startx  2003-11-20 12:11:31.068496000 -0500
@@ -14,8 +14,8 @@
 # $XFree86: xc/programs/xinit/startx.cpp,v 3.16 2003/01/24 21:30:02 herrb Exp $
 
 
-userclientrc=$HOME/.xinitrc
-userserverrc=$HOME/.xserverrc
+userclientrc="$HOME/.xinitrc"
+userserverrc="$HOME/.xserverrc"
 sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
 sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc
 defaultclient=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
@@ -30,19 +30,16 @@ serverargs=""
 
 
 
-if [ -f $userclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$userclientrc
-elif [ -f $sysclientrc ]; then
-defaultclientargs=$sysclientrc
+if [ -f "$userclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$userclientrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysclientrc" ]; then
+defaultclientargs="\"$sysclientrc\""
 fi
 
-
-
-
-if [ -f $userserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$userserverrc
-elif [ -f $sysserverrc ]; then
-defaultserverargs=$sysserverrc
+if [ -f "$userserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$userserverrc\""
+elif [ -f "$sysserverrc" ]; then
+defaultserverargs="\"$sysserverrc\""
 fi
 
 whoseargs="client"
@@ -52,15 +49,15 @@ while [ x"$1" != x ]; do
 /''*|\./''*)
if [ "$whoseargs" = "client" ]; then
if [ x"$clientargs" = x ]; then
-   client="$1"
+   client="\"$1\""
else
-   clientargs="$clientargs $1"
+   clientargs="$clientargs \"$1\""
fi
else
if [ x"$serverargs" = x ]; then
-   server="$1"
+   server="\"$1\""
 

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

Henrik,

Henrik Schultz wrote:

With that being said, looks like you are missing the fontconfig and 
freetype2 packages.


No, they just need to enclose long file names with spaces in quotes ...
Not so sure about that.  That may fix some of the problems, but what 
about the last problem in the list:

Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont
Harold

RE: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Henrik Schultz]

>With that being said, looks like you are missing the fontconfig and 
>freetype2 packages.

No, they just need to enclose long file names with spaces in quotes ...

- Henrik

Re: Cygwin XFree86 startx Problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

John,

I recommend using startxwin.bat.  I don't recommend using startx.

With that being said, looks like you are missing the fontconfig and 
freetype2 packages.

Harold

Chan Seng Loong wrote:

hi...

I having problem using startx to startx the X window
or X server...
here are the error:

Chan Seng [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
$ startx
+ userclientrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc
+ userserverrc=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc
+ sysclientrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
+ sysserverrc=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc
+ defaultclient=/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
+ defaultserver=/usr/X11R6/bin/X
+ defaultclientargs=
+ defaultserverargs=
+ clientargs=
+ serverargs=
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xinitrc ]
[: Seng: unknown operand
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc ]
+ defaultclientargs=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.xserverrc ]
[: Seng: unknown operand
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc ]
+ whoseargs=client
+ [ x != x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x ]
+ client=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
+ [ x = x ]
+ [ x = x -a x = x ]
+ server=
+ [ x = x ]
+ XAUTHORITY=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xauthority
+ export XAUTHORITY
+ removelist=
+ xinit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc --
+ userresources=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources
+ usermodmap=/home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap
+ sysresources=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources
+ sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xresources ]
+ [ -f /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap ]
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xresources ]
[: Seng: unknown operand
+ [ -f /home/Chan Seng Loong/.Xmodmap ]
[: Seng: unknown operand
+ twm
+ xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1
+ xterm -geometry 80x50+494+51
+ xterm -geometry 80x20+494-0
+ exec xterm -geometry 80x66+0+0 -name login
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type XftFont
I tried to fix the probelm using the XF86Config and
.xinitrc file. but
failed.
d
Can someone help me to solve the problem..?
Thanks

John

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RE: [Cygwin/XFree86] Duplicate keystrokes in X Server

[Pille Geert (bizvdm)]

Hallo Harold,

I've finally installed Cygwin/XFree86 with setup, until this morning I was
still using a version that I installed manually (ahum).

Haven't spotted the duplicate keystrokes (yet?).

After setup, I installed XWin-4.3.0-20-Test01.exe, since I experienced the
"no key input".  This didn't help, as you already know.  Bugger, I hate the
mouse (don't like cats neither, I've got a dog).

I was sorry to read that you were not granted commit rights into the xfree86
organisation.  This is hard to imagine.  Do you know why?   Didn't they like
the colour of your tie?

Geert

> -Original Message-
> From: Harold L Hunt II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: zondag 21 september 2003 20:59
> To: cygx
> Subject: [Cygwin/XFree86] Duplicate keystrokes in X Server
> 
> 
> [BCCing seven people that have asked about this bug somewhat recently]
> 
> This bug has been around for a long time, but it was thought to be a 
> Cygwin/XFree86-specific bug.  However, I recently learned 
> that this is a 
> general XFree86 bug that is reproducible on, probably, all 
> other platforms.
> 
> Ivan Pascal submitted a patch to XFree86 that fixes the problem.  His 
> description of the problem and his patch can be found in this 
> archive of 
> his email:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40xfree86.org/msg03245.html
> 
> 
> XFree86's Bugzilla Bug #301 also has information and discussion about 
> this bug:
> 
> http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301
> 
> 
> Finally, Ivan's patch was applied to XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-13, 
> which can 
> be downloaded and installed via Cygwin's setup.exe.  The "Test100" 
> release notes describe the other changes made in 4.3.0-13:
> 
> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/shadow/changelog.html
> 
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Harold
> 


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Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Jason Dufair]

I'll also chime in as a lurker to say that you have kicked some major
ass for us Cygwin/XFree86 users, Harold, and I think you've been nothing
but helpful and responsive on the list.  I think your plea on the
XFree86 list was reasonable.  Good luck as you explore other options.

Harold L Hunt II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Egbert,
>
> Egbert Eich wrote:
>
>> Harold,
>> I find it sad that you had to make this decision.
>> I've just been absent for a little more than two weeks and
>> was unable to commit patches - look what came out of it.
>
> Egbert, I am sorry, I want to make it absolutely clear that my raising
> the issue with XFree86.org and subsequent decision had nothing to do
> with you.  You were actually a great help to me, I appreciate the work
> that you did with me very much.  There was a larger problem
> here... one that had nothing to do with you.
>
>> I understand that the level of frustration among contributors
>> has risen to a point that people are starting to use bad words.
>> I've tried to get support from individual core team members
>> for giving you commit rights. After I was unable to do so (maybe
>> I asked the wrong ones) I decided to no longer persue the issue.
>> None of the initiatives I've made so far have been accepted.
>
> I appreciate that Egbert.  That really gets to the heart of the
> matter: this isn't about cvs commit access, this is about the
> arbitrary, subjective, and unresponsive manner in which the project is
> being managed.
>
>> I don't understand why people cannot deal with issues on the
>> pragmatic level by looking at how one can best distribute
>> the workload so that the burdeon on each individual volunteer
>> is reduced.
>
> I really wish they could have seen that too.
>
>> The discussion always turns to who owes what to whom. This is
>> the wrong question. All or most of us are volunteers. Therefore
>> noone owes anything to anybody.
>> I get more and more the impression that David is working on
>> narrowing down the scope of XFree86. There are alternatives in sight
>> and I hope something will be in place before too long that will
>> again serve a place where
>> people interested in X can meet and work together.
>
> Yes, I am beginning to work with some other developers who have left
> XFree86.org as well.  It is so unfortunate that XFree86.org is pushing
> away developers one-by-one, only to assemble the same group
> elsewhere. That is a pointless waste of time; that sort of thing
> should not have to happen.
>
> I was a little surprised too to see that my request was interpreted as
> being owed something :)  Jeez, not only is the process of getting cvs
> commit access undefined, it is a veritable mine field; you cannot
> possibly ask in a humble enough manner for their taste.
>
> Anyhow, I want to reiterate again that I enjoy working with you Egbert
> and that I hope we continue to work together in the future.
>
> Thanks for your input,
>
> Harold

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Re: cygwin xfree86 split

[Harold L Hunt II]

Leo,

Leo Mekenkamp wrote:
Hi Harold,

You probably have never heard about me, and until an hour ago I had
never heard about you, but that does not stop me to climb into my
keyboard and send you this email.
I read 'the thread' on the mailing list, and what I can conclude on it
can be simply summarized as: You seem to be doing your best in making a
very usefull free piece of software; 'they' seem to be high up in some
ivory tower thinking that all the x code base are belong to them.
Such a pity. Instead of trying to resolve your issues the only thing the
xfree guys seem to do is push you to a certain state where 'your
emotions take over' and you let out a 'fuck you', and then they very
childishly respond that they will not listen to you anymore when you let
out such insults.
I can only conclude that the xfree guys have lost touch with the
positive side of themselves and have let arrogance take over. An
oss/free software project should be all about working together; they are
certainly not doing their best to work together.
So, to keep with your words: 'fuck them'; maybe the xouvert guys will
appreciate your contributions? I do hope this whole thing does not take
away your spirit in working on cygwin.
Heh heh... Thanks for your support.

Don't worry, I haven't lost the spirit.  I have a set number of hours to 
work on Cygwin/X per month and now I won't be spending any of those 
hours trying to keep the XFree86 CVS tree in synch.

We will be working with some other X Window System projects.  I will 
make a more formal announcement later, but I want to just code for a few 
days.

Thanks again,

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Harold L Hunt II]

Daniel,

Armbrust, Daniel C. wrote:

Harold, 

I have been lurking on this list for a while now.  I don't know much about XFree86, or the politics, or any history.  But I read the threads that led up to your decision.  I applaud you.  You asked for something completely reasonable, and (pardon the language) David Dawes came off as a complete jackass.  

I have worked with Jakarta Ant, the Eclipse Project, and Jakarta Lucene to varying degrees.  And I have never seen someone on any of those mailing lists get treated like you were.  And, as an example of a well functioning open source project, when someone new came to lucene, he turned in some quality patches over the course of about a month.  About the equivalent to what I see you commit on this mailing list in a week.  And they made him a full fledged committer.  No problems, no insults, no lie detector tests.  They voted, and it was done.

That it how it is supposed to work.  

The XFree86 organization looks like it is being run by a bunch of power hungry fools.

Thanks for all of your time and work, 
No problem.  I enjoy it.

Thanks for your support.

Harold

RE: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Armbrust, Daniel C.]

Harold, 

I have been lurking on this list for a while now.  I don't know much about XFree86, or 
the politics, or any history.  But I read the threads that led up to your decision.  I 
applaud you.  You asked for something completely reasonable, and (pardon the language) 
David Dawes came off as a complete jackass.  

I have worked with Jakarta Ant, the Eclipse Project, and Jakarta Lucene to varying 
degrees.  And I have never seen someone on any of those mailing lists get treated like 
you were.  And, as an example of a well functioning open source project, when someone 
new came to lucene, he turned in some quality patches over the course of about a 
month.  About the equivalent to what I see you commit on this mailing list in a week.  
And they made him a full fledged committer.  No problems, no insults, no lie detector 
tests.  They voted, and it was done.

That it how it is supposed to work.  

The XFree86 organization looks like it is being run by a bunch of power hungry fools.

Thanks for all of your time and work, 

Dan

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Harold L Hunt II]

Egbert,

Egbert Eich wrote:

Harold,

I find it sad that you had to make this decision.
I've just been absent for a little more than two weeks and
was unable to commit patches - look what came out of it.
Egbert, I am sorry, I want to make it absolutely clear that my raising 
the issue with XFree86.org and subsequent decision had nothing to do 
with you.  You were actually a great help to me, I appreciate the work 
that you did with me very much.  There was a larger problem here... one 
that had nothing to do with you.

I understand that the level of frustration among contributors
has risen to a point that people are starting to use bad words.
I've tried to get support from individual core team members
for giving you commit rights. After I was unable to do so (maybe
I asked the wrong ones) I decided to no longer persue the issue.
None of the initiatives I've made so far have been accepted.
I appreciate that Egbert.  That really gets to the heart of the matter: 
this isn't about cvs commit access, this is about the arbitrary, 
subjective, and unresponsive manner in which the project is being managed.

I don't understand why people cannot deal with issues on the
pragmatic level by looking at how one can best distribute
the workload so that the burdeon on each individual volunteer
is reduced.
I really wish they could have seen that too.

The discussion always turns to who owes what to whom. This is
the wrong question. All or most of us are volunteers. Therefore
noone owes anything to anybody.
I get more and more the impression that David is working on
narrowing down the scope of XFree86. 
There are alternatives in sight and I hope something will be 
in place before too long that will again serve a place where
people interested in X can meet and work together.
Yes, I am beginning to work with some other developers who have left 
XFree86.org as well.  It is so unfortunate that XFree86.org is pushing 
away developers one-by-one, only to assemble the same group elsewhere. 
That is a pointless waste of time; that sort of thing should not have to 
happen.

I was a little surprised too to see that my request was interpreted as 
being owed something :)  Jeez, not only is the process of getting cvs 
commit access undefined, it is a veritable mine field; you cannot 
possibly ask in a humble enough manner for their taste.

Anyhow, I want to reiterate again that I enjoy working with you Egbert 
and that I hope we continue to work together in the future.

Thanks for your input,

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Egbert Eich]

Harold,

I find it sad that you had to make this decision.
I've just been absent for a little more than two weeks and
was unable to commit patches - look what came out of it.

I understand that the level of frustration among contributors
has risen to a point that people are starting to use bad words.
I've tried to get support from individual core team members
for giving you commit rights. After I was unable to do so (maybe
I asked the wrong ones) I decided to no longer persue the issue.
None of the initiatives I've made so far have been accepted.

I don't understand why people cannot deal with issues on the
pragmatic level by looking at how one can best distribute
the workload so that the burdeon on each individual volunteer
is reduced.
The discussion always turns to who owes what to whom. This is
the wrong question. All or most of us are volunteers. Therefore
noone owes anything to anybody.
I get more and more the impression that David is working on
narrowing down the scope of XFree86. 
There are alternatives in sight and I hope something will be 
in place before too long that will again serve a place where
people interested in X can meet and work together.

Cheers,
Egbert.

Re: xouvert? (was Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org)

[David Fraser]

Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Mitch,

Mitchell Skinner wrote:

I followed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion and the xwin.org and
xouvert.org bits, and at first I wasn't sure if the complainers had a
real beef or if the hubbub was the outcome of some bizarre historical
politics, but it's becoming clearer and clearer that the xfree86 guys
are dropping the ball.  Lots of long-time, serious contributors are all
saying the same thing; hopefully all those that have a problem with the
old system can get together and start a single new mainline rather than
splinter into a bunch of different groups.


It looks like people are regrouping.  Keith Packard and Jim Gettys are 
over at freedesktop.org.  They have most of the libs (that aren't 
maintained elsewhere) imported and autotooled.  I think that is going 
to be my long-term destination for our bits... but I am going to work 
in an xc/ style repository in the mean time.  It will take a few 
months to whip the autotooled build into shape, and I don't want to 
forgo having a CVS tree during that period.

xouvert is using Arch.  I am not really familiar with Arch; I don't 
even know if it works on Cygwin.  I personally don't think I would 
have the time to invest in setting up and maintaining a version of the 
code in xouvert... but I would not be opposed to someone else doing 
this and tracking my patches.  That would be advantageous to us and them.
I've tried Arch, but quite a while ago.
It has some fantastic features, much much better than CVS.
Unfortunately though it wasn't working with cygwin then, but can't say 
if that's been fixed.
I think it was mostly due to them choosing strange names for directories 
like {arch} etc.

David

Re: xouvert? (was Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org)

[Harold L Hunt II]

Mitch,

Mitchell Skinner wrote:
FWIW,

I read the cygwin-xfree mailing list archives from time to time, and I
just read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] thread linked from /., and it looks to
me like Harold was being pretty reasonable and was getting a terrible
response.
Thanks.  It was so weird to write what I thought was a reasonable reply 
only to be essentially shouted at in response.  It is reassuring to get 
messages from people saying that my posts were in fact reasonable.

I followed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion and the xwin.org and
xouvert.org bits, and at first I wasn't sure if the complainers had a
real beef or if the hubbub was the outcome of some bizarre historical
politics, but it's becoming clearer and clearer that the xfree86 guys
are dropping the ball.  Lots of long-time, serious contributors are all
saying the same thing; hopefully all those that have a problem with the
old system can get together and start a single new mainline rather than
splinter into a bunch of different groups.
It looks like people are regrouping.  Keith Packard and Jim Gettys are 
over at freedesktop.org.  They have most of the libs (that aren't 
maintained elsewhere) imported and autotooled.  I think that is going to 
be my long-term destination for our bits... but I am going to work in an 
xc/ style repository in the mean time.  It will take a few months to 
whip the autotooled build into shape, and I don't want to forgo having a 
CVS tree during that period.

xouvert is using Arch.  I am not really familiar with Arch; I don't even 
know if it works on Cygwin.  I personally don't think I would have the 
time to invest in setting up and maintaining a version of the code in 
xouvert... but I would not be opposed to someone else doing this and 
tracking my patches.  That would be advantageous to us and them.

Speaking of which, since the xouvert guys announced their intention to
fork, I've been wondering which way cygwin-xfree86 would go.  What do
cygwin-xfree subscribers think about that?
Oops, I think I told you above :)

Harold

xouvert? (was Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org)

[Mitchell Skinner]

FWIW,

I read the cygwin-xfree mailing list archives from time to time, and I
just read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] thread linked from /., and it looks to
me like Harold was being pretty reasonable and was getting a terrible
response.

I followed the [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion and the xwin.org and
xouvert.org bits, and at first I wasn't sure if the complainers had a
real beef or if the hubbub was the outcome of some bizarre historical
politics, but it's becoming clearer and clearer that the xfree86 guys
are dropping the ball.  Lots of long-time, serious contributors are all
saying the same thing; hopefully all those that have a problem with the
old system can get together and start a single new mainline rather than
splinter into a bunch of different groups.

Speaking of which, since the xouvert guys announced their intention to
fork, I've been wondering which way cygwin-xfree86 would go.  What do
cygwin-xfree subscribers think about that?

Mitch

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Harold L Hunt II]

Alan Hourihane wrote:

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:35:20AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

6) Alternatives are being evaluated for hosting Cygwin/XFree86 code in 
CVS.  Hosts that can provide CVS commit access for at least five 
Cygwin/XFree86 developers will be given priority.


Harold,

I thought you already had the CVS for Cygwin/XFree86 sorted out, by
using what you'd already setup in http://sf.net/projects/xoncygwin ?
It is something I am looking into.

It all depends on if we want to have to import and maintain the clients.

You and Alexander Gottwald (and myself) have already been using this for
quite some time now. Couldn't you give Kensuke et al commit access there rather 
than seeking out yet another repository ?
Looking into it.

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - No longer associated with XFree86.org

[Alan Hourihane]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:35:20AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> 6) Alternatives are being evaluated for hosting Cygwin/XFree86 code in 
> CVS.  Hosts that can provide CVS commit access for at least five 
> Cygwin/XFree86 developers will be given priority.

Harold,

I thought you already had the CVS for Cygwin/XFree86 sorted out, by
using what you'd already setup in http://sf.net/projects/xoncygwin ?

You and Alexander Gottwald (and myself) have already been using this for
quite some time now. Couldn't you give Kensuke et al commit access there rather 
than seeking out yet another repository ?

Alan.

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - Staying or leaving XFree86.org? [Was: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?]

[Harold L Hunt II]

David,

Without getting involved in the disagreement, what about Xouvert?
Oh yeah, alternatives are being looked into.  More on that later.

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - Staying or leaving XFree86.org? [Was: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?]

[David Fraser]

Harold L Hunt II wrote:

Michel DÃnzer wrote:

Well, you know, XFree86's disregard for offers to help made by 
developers that have been with the project for over two years are 
certainly part of the problem.


Err, this is about bug triage, which you can do just as well as
everybody else.


No, this is about my submitting Cygwin-specific bugs that can't 
actually be assigned to me for committing them, even though I am the 
"expert" on Cygwin/XFree86.  This thread started to point out the 
hypocrisy of the situation and to see what the official response to 
this was.

I agree that you should be able to commit Cygwin stuff yourself (but I
can't do anything about it), I'm afraid your rants and threats won't do
much good there though.


Thanks for your agreement.

Hmm... rants and threats isn't very polite.  I have asked numerous 
people to both "elect" me to get commit access and I have asked people 
with the power to do so to set me up with it (all privately, off list, 
as it should be).  Nothing has ever happened from any of those requests.

What else am I supposed to do?  I have made a decision that my family 
deserves the time that XFree86 is having me waste being a patch nanny.

In light of that decision, I am either going to commit my bugs 
directly to XFree86's CVS, or I am going to leave the project.  It is 
not a "rant" or "threat" to tell people this.  This is simply the way 
it is going to be, from my standpoint.  As I said, I have made a 
decision to give this time back to my family, and I am going to do 
that, regardless of what other people decide their role in this will be.

Either way this plays out, I get to spend less time developing on X 
for the same amount of impact, and my family recovers three or four 
hours a month.  When you are in a graduate degree program and working 
30-40 hours per week, that is a *lot* of time.

So here is the choice to be made again:
1) Set me up with CVS commit access with the understanding that I 
commit only Cygwin-specific patches and all others get sent in through 
bugs.xfree86.org for review by other developers.  -or-

2) I will stop sending patches for Cygwin support.  It is simply not 
worth my time and I feel that the XFree86 project has no right to take 
that time away from me or my family.

I ask that the CVS commit access be granted within 2 months if it is 
going to be granted.

If access is not going to be granted, then a short note telling me to 
piss off would be appreciated so that I can start setting up my tree 
elsewhere.

Thank you very much for *your* time,

Harold

Without getting involved in the disagreement, what about Xouvert?

David

Cygwin/XFree86 - Staying or leaving XFree86.org? [Was: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?]

[Harold L Hunt II]

Michel DÃnzer wrote:
Well, you know, XFree86's disregard for offers to help made by 
developers that have been with the project for over two years are 
certainly part of the problem.
Err, this is about bug triage, which you can do just as well as
everybody else.
No, this is about my submitting Cygwin-specific bugs that can't actually 
be assigned to me for committing them, even though I am the "expert" on 
Cygwin/XFree86.  This thread started to point out the hypocrisy of the 
situation and to see what the official response to this was.

I agree that you should be able to commit Cygwin stuff yourself (but I
can't do anything about it), I'm afraid your rants and threats won't do
much good there though.
Thanks for your agreement.

Hmm... rants and threats isn't very polite.  I have asked numerous 
people to both "elect" me to get commit access and I have asked people 
with the power to do so to set me up with it (all privately, off list, 
as it should be).  Nothing has ever happened from any of those requests.

What else am I supposed to do?  I have made a decision that my family 
deserves the time that XFree86 is having me waste being a patch nanny.

In light of that decision, I am either going to commit my bugs directly 
to XFree86's CVS, or I am going to leave the project.  It is not a 
"rant" or "threat" to tell people this.  This is simply the way it is 
going to be, from my standpoint.  As I said, I have made a decision to 
give this time back to my family, and I am going to do that, regardless 
of what other people decide their role in this will be.

Either way this plays out, I get to spend less time developing on X for 
the same amount of impact, and my family recovers three or four hours a 
month.  When you are in a graduate degree program and working 30-40 
hours per week, that is a *lot* of time.

So here is the choice to be made again:
1) Set me up with CVS commit access with the understanding that I commit 
only Cygwin-specific patches and all others get sent in through 
bugs.xfree86.org for review by other developers.  -or-

2) I will stop sending patches for Cygwin support.  It is simply not 
worth my time and I feel that the XFree86 project has no right to take 
that time away from me or my family.

I ask that the CVS commit access be granted within 2 months if it is 
going to be granted.

If access is not going to be granted, then a short note telling me to 
piss off would be appreciated so that I can start setting up my tree 
elsewhere.

Thank you very much for *your* time,

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?

[Harold L Hunt II]

Thomas Dickey wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:


Seriously, I don't know why I waste my time submitting patches that are
specific to my platform and then wait up to three weeks for them to be
committed.  It is a waste of my time and an insult that I am made to do


well, when you graduate and (presumably) find a real job, you'll have
a chance to get an idea of where time goes.
> the patches _are_ applied, right?

Thanks for your amazing support Thomas.

You don't know anything about me, so you can keep your blanket 
statements about where you time goes to yourself.

By the way, how often do you have to go to the doctor's office?  How 
often do you have to get prescriptions refiled?  How often do you have 
to change the tubing for a medical device that is attached to you?  Huh? 
 Didn't think so.  So, please take this as kindly as possible when I 
say: Go fuck yourself.

The funny thing here is that I am volunteering to take care of my own 
patches and I am personally insulted that my offer is being ignored.

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote:

> Seriously, I don't know why I waste my time submitting patches that are
> specific to my platform and then wait up to three weeks for them to be
> committed.  It is a waste of my time and an insult that I am made to do

well, when you graduate and (presumably) find a real job, you'll have
a chance to get an idea of where time goes.

the patches _are_ applied, right?

-- 
Thomas E. Dickey
http://invisible-island.net
ftp://invisible-island.net

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?

[Michel Dänzer]

On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 19:53, Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> Michel DÃnzer wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:13, Egbert Eich wrote: 
> > 
> >>Marc Aurele La France writes:
> >> > 
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an ML anyone can subscribe to.  I am, and, I
> >> > believe, so is Egbert.
> >>
> >>No, not currently. I usually go to the web interface and 
> >>look at the open bugs, process new ones that can be handled 
> >>quickly, or try to assign them to an expert on the specific 
> >>area.
> >>
> >>There are a lot more areas than we have experts - in these
> >>cases I try to work on the ticket myself. This, and the
> >>low quality of some of the submissions, consumes a 
> >>considerable amount of time.
> > 
> > 
> > Indeed, you're doing most of the bugzilla work alone; it's a pity there
> > aren't more people helping with that.
> 
> Well, you know, XFree86's disregard for offers to help made by 
> developers that have been with the project for over two years are 
> certainly part of the problem.

Err, this is about bug triage, which you can do just as well as
everybody else.

I agree that you should be able to commit Cygwin stuff yourself (but I
can't do anything about it), I'm afraid your rants and threats won't do
much good there though.


-- 
Earthling Michel DÃnzer   \  Debian (powerpc), XFree86 and DRI developer
Software libre enthusiast  \ http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Bugs?

[Harold L Hunt II]

Michel Dänzer wrote:
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:13, Egbert Eich wrote: 

Marc Aurele La France writes:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an ML anyone can subscribe to.  I am, and, I
> believe, so is Egbert.

No, not currently. I usually go to the web interface and 
look at the open bugs, process new ones that can be handled 
quickly, or try to assign them to an expert on the specific 
area.

There are a lot more areas than we have experts - in these
cases I try to work on the ticket myself. This, and the
low quality of some of the submissions, consumes a 
considerable amount of time.


Indeed, you're doing most of the bugzilla work alone; it's a pity there
aren't more people helping with that.
Well, you know, XFree86's disregard for offers to help made by 
developers that have been with the project for over two years are 
certainly part of the problem.

Seriously, I don't know why I waste my time submitting patches that are 
specific to my platform and then wait up to three weeks for them to be 
committed.  It is a waste of my time and an insult that I am made to do 
this while other platform maintainers made the luck of the draw and get 
to commit their patches directly.  Here it is: Let me commit my own 
patches within two months or I am going to let 
xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xwin die; I will stop sending updates, I will 
request that you remove hw/xwin and stop advertising that you support 
Cygwin.

Harold

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Website Design (Possible Deuglification?)

[Colin Harrison]

Hi Harold,

I've captured again

Starting from a 1280x1024 capture my shrinker gives me (preserving aspect
ratio):-
http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop1280

800x640
http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop800

750x600
http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop750

200x160
http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop200


On my IE browser (screen 1280x1024) the 750x600 one looks the best for me.

Looks as good as original from this morning (but no spam on my screen this
time!)

Colin

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Website Design (Possible Deuglification?)

[Harold L Hunt II]

Colin,

Great screen shot.

I have the following suggestions:

1) Make a full resolution version (1280x1024).  Keep the shrunk version, 
but maybe standardize on 800 x 600?

2) Can you make a thumbnail while you are at it?  Say 200 pixels wide?

3) Run 'uname' or 'uname -a' in the local xterm so that people realize 
it is running on your Windows machine.

4) Open an xterm on a remote host (or in your KDE session) and run 
'uname' or 'uname -a' in it.  Again, so people don't have to think :)

I think this could be a great shot.

Harold

Colin Harrison wrote:

Hi,

While I was zapping spam this morning did a screen capture of XWin in use.

File attached (too large...rejected 1st time by sources.redhat.com >50k)is
the capture shrunk to 25cm width (~700 pixels wide) and saved as a .png
230KB. Did the shrink as it didn't look too good full size on my IE browser
(1280 x 1024 screen). I've posted the result also on an experimental (play
not pay!) website of mine:-
http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop/desktop.png

(This is not always up, 24/7 as it's on my development machine and via a DSL
link)
The capture shows both XDMCP and multiwindow modes in action:-

1) A Windows XP desktop (tamed to remove all Telly Tubby/Early Learning
Centre themes and garbage :)).
2) A XDMCP KDE session to a remote RedHat linux box running Mozilla.
3) A remote Konsole shell being used to monitor spam being zapped on my
mailserver!
4) A remote Ethereal session being used to sniff my firewall traffic.
5) A local cygwin/xfree86 xterm.
6) A local cygwin/xfree86 xeyes showing shaped window/transparency.
7) My custom X selection menu from the XWin system tray icon.
I can post more of the same if you want (more web friendly or different
format/quality/size etc)? 

Colin

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Website Design (Possible Deuglification?)

[Colin Harrison]

Hi,

While I was zapping spam this morning did a screen capture of XWin in use.

File attached (too large...rejected 1st time by sources.redhat.com >50k)is
the capture shrunk to 25cm width (~700 pixels wide) and saved as a .png
230KB. Did the shrink as it didn't look too good full size on my IE browser
(1280 x 1024 screen). I've posted the result also on an experimental (play
not pay!) website of mine:-

http://www.straightrunning.com/desktop/desktop.png

(This is not always up, 24/7 as it's on my development machine and via a DSL
link)

The capture shows both XDMCP and multiwindow modes in action:-

1) A Windows XP desktop (tamed to remove all Telly Tubby/Early Learning
Centre themes and garbage :)).
2) A XDMCP KDE session to a remote RedHat linux box running Mozilla.
3) A remote Konsole shell being used to monitor spam being zapped on my
mailserver!
4) A remote Ethereal session being used to sniff my firewall traffic.
5) A local cygwin/xfree86 xterm.
6) A local cygwin/xfree86 xeyes showing shaped window/transparency.
7) My custom X selection menu from the XWin system tray icon.

I can post more of the same if you want (more web friendly or different
format/quality/size etc)? 

Colin

Re: [Cygwin/XFree86] Duplicate keystrokes in X Server

[Lev Bishop]

Thanks, that's very interesting. I found that the suggested "xset r off" 
worked well for me, by completely disabling the X autorepeat stuff, since 
there's already windows autorepeat. But it's good to get to the bottom of 
these subtle race-condition type bugs.

Lev

RE: [Cygwin/XFree86] Duplicate keystrokes in X Server

[Pille Geert (bizvdm)]

Hallo Harold,

Thanks for the input.  Maybe the solution to this minor itch will be enough
incentive for me to start following the evolution of Xwin again: I'm stuck
on a pre-setup version (nov.2002).

You wouldn't happen to have some guidelines floating around about how to
move from a pre-setup to a setup version of Cygwin/XFree86?  I'm sure I
could handle it myself, I wouldn't like to count the hours I spent
installing X on different OS's, but I don't like to reinvent the warm water.
There are some other things I have to do while at work.  If you don't, I'll
try it at home first.  Just yesterday I rediscovered my first Cygwin
installation on one of my PC's, so this one could serve for a trial.

I tried to read Ivan's explanation, but he lost me halfway.  Monday morning
or I am getting too old for this shit.

Geert

> -Original Message-
> From: Harold L Hunt II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: zondag 21 september 2003 20:59
> To: cygx
> Subject: [Cygwin/XFree86] Duplicate keystrokes in X Server
> 
> 
> [BCCing seven people that have asked about this bug somewhat recently]
> 
> This bug has been around for a long time, but it was thought to be a 
> Cygwin/XFree86-specific bug.  However, I recently learned 
> that this is a 
> general XFree86 bug that is reproducible on, probably, all 
> other platforms.
> 
> Ivan Pascal submitted a patch to XFree86 that fixes the problem.  His 
> description of the problem and his patch can be found in this 
> archive of 
> his email:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40xfree86.org/msg03245.html
> 
> 
> XFree86's Bugzilla Bug #301 also has information and discussion about 
> this bug:
> 
> http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301
> 
> 
> Finally, Ivan's patch was applied to XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-13, 
> which can 
> be downloaded and installed via Cygwin's setup.exe.  The "Test100" 
> release notes describe the other changes made in 4.3.0-13:
> 
> http://xfree86.cygwin.com/devel/shadow/changelog.html
> 
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Harold
> 


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Re: Cygwin/Xfree86 is not working

[Shing-Fat Fred Ma]

> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-Id: <"CIVEX09-030630143518Z-47235*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS>
>
> Hi everyone. I have installed xfree86 in a windows nt sp6.
> 
> I open a cygwin session.
> 
> I type 
> 
> $ sh startxwin.sh 
> 
> ssh-agent: not found
> I have no [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/X11R6/bin
> 
> The cygwin/xfree86:0.0 started but
> 
> I cannot open any xterm.


Hi, Federico,

Just a wild guess.  Did you install the OpenSSH package
when you installed Cygwin?

Fred
--
Fred Ma, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carleton University, Dept. of Electronics
1125 Colonel By Drive, Ottawa, Ontario
Canada, K1S 5B6

Re: cygwin/xfree86 startup problem

[Harold L Hunt II]

Philip,

Your problem is that the User's Guide is out of date.  Read the note on 
xfree86.cygwin.com about how to install.

Harold

Philip Blood wrote:

I had a problem exactly like the one below except I did install everything
in C drive in the proper directories.  The only thing I can thin is that I
downloaded the cygwin setup.exe to a zip and ran it and downloaded the files
to the zip.  Then I copied setup.exe and all the cygwin files directly to
c:/cyginstall.  Then I ran setup.exe again, this time choosing to install
from local directory to c:/cygwin. Then I copied the zipped xfree binaries
from my zip to c:/cygwin/tmp.  Then I installed cygwin/xfree86 exactly
according to the users guide, but when I doubleclicked on startxwin.bat, I
got the error it could not find cygwin1.dll even though I could see it
sitting there in c:/cygwin/bin.  There were also messages in the terminal
about not being able to locate Xwin, Xterm, and twm.

Editing the path to explicitly include c:\ does nothing in my case.  I am
also using Windows 98SE.

Phil Blood

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
Of Harold L Hunt
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:27 AM
To: willichnicht habichnet; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bug in startxwin.bat after installing with setup.exe in
win98SE


First: Wrong mailing list.  Send all Cygwin/XFree86 questions to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I have redirected this discussion to the correct
mailing list, but be careful to remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the ``cc''
   

if
 

you reply to this message.

Second: Read the extensive comments in startxwin.bat that talk about
CYGWIN_ROOT.  Not specifying a drive causes the path to reference \cygwin
   

on
 

the current drive (such as c:\cygwin, or d:\cygwin).  You have to run
startxwin.bat from the same drive that Cygwin is installed on, or it won't
   

get
 

the correct drive letter.

startxwin.bat has been using this path setting system for over a year (I
think) and not a *single* person has reported a problem with it until
   

today.
 

You must be doing something on your system that other users thought better
   

of
 

(such as running startxwin.bat from the d drive, or from a network drive,
   

when
 

Cygwin is installed on the c drive).
   


I have to disagree.  Absence of complaints does not imply absence of errors.
Many people become "used to" buggy software that only works if you don't
deviate
from the well-trodden path.  That's no excuse to fail to fix a known
problem.

The comments you mention:
REM
REM The path in the CYGWIN_ROOT environment variable assignment assume
REM that Cygwin is installed in a directory called 'cygwin' in the root
REM directory of the current drive.  You will only need to modify
REM CYGWIN_ROOT if you have installed Cygwin in another directory.  For
REM example, if you installed Cygwin in \foo\bar\baz\cygwin, you will need
REM to change \cygwin to \foo\bar\baz\cygwin.
REM
REM This batch file will almost always be run from the same drive (and
REM directory) as the drive that contains Cygwin/XFree86, therefore you will
REM not need to add a drive letter to CYGWIN_ROOT.  For example, you do
REM not need to change \cygwin to c:\cygwin if you are running this
REM batch file from the C drive.
REM
don't explain what is wrong with adding a drive lettter, only that
it "almost always" works because the drive letter already matches.

You need the drive letter to make an absolute path.
(By the way, "." is redundant in a Windows path anyway.)

 

Harold


willichnicht habichnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

   

i installed cygwin/XFree86 with the recommended
setup.exe in win98SE.
starting X with startxwin.bat resulted in
errormessages like "cygwin1.dll not found" etc.
in startxwin.bat there was a line "SET
CYGWIN_ROOT=\cygwin" which seemed to be incorrect
because theres no drive given.
after editing it to "SET CYGWIN_ROOT=c:\cygwin"
(installation path) everything works fine.
i installed it on a win2000 too without these problems
but on an other win98-system same corrupted
startxwin.bat was there.
i have not tried an other installation directory or
drive.
this message is only for information; i need no other
solution.

Michael Heide


 



 

Re: Cygwin-Xfree86 and XP and Solaris 8

[Harold L Hunt II]

Helmut,

I think you need to point your ``font path'' at the font server running 
on the Solaris 8 machine.  You can do this with the XWin.exe 
command-line parameter ``-fp''.  There are examples on the web, and 
there is an example in the Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ:

http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#q-solaris-fonts


Note that ``-fp'' and the ``font path'' are not specific to 
Cygwin/XFree86, so they are not documented in the Cygwin/XFree86 User's 
Guide.  Rather, these two items are generic to all XFree86 X Servers and 
therefore you can find lots of information about them from many sources 
on the web.

Let us know if you have further questions, and be sure to let us know if 
the ``-fp'' parameter solves your problem.

Harold

Schiretz, Helmut F wrote:

Hi,
  I have successfully installed and used Cygwin-Xfree86 (1.3.13 I believe -
which I got from nas.nasa.gov) on a Windows 2000 machine and I am able to
remotely connect to a Solaris 2.6 machine, but not to a Solaris 8 machine
(it freezes whilst
trying to connect).

I have successfully installed Cygwin (1.3.14 I believe) on a Windows XP
machine - it runs fine, but the X server
locks up (freezes) whilst trying to connect to either the Solaris 2.6
machine.

I have looked everywhere for the answer to these problems and how to resolve
them - to no avail.

I would greatly appreciate your input on these matters,

Regards 


Helmut F. Schiretz 
Complex Maintenance Facility, 
Canberra Deep Space Communication Complex.
BAE SYSTEMS,
PO Box 638,FYSHWICK, ACT, Australia 2609
Tel: +61 2 6201 7850 Fax: +61 2 6201 7929 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  



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RE: Cygwin/XFree86 Multi-Monitor on Matrox G550

[Harold Hunt]

Bryan,

There is not currently support in the X server for specifying a Windows
display that a particular screen should be displayed upon initially.  It may
not be that hard to add, but no one has scratched that itch yet.

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bryan Hundven
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 Multi-Monitor on Matrox G550
>
>
> I was looking on cygwin.com for help with setting up XFree86 on w2kpro
> w/Dual-Head.
> Windows 2000 already has dual head setup with my Matrox drivers.
> Right now my primary display is 1280x1024@60Hz 32bit, and my secondary
> display is 1024x768@60Hz 32bit.
>
> I would like to have X start as a window 1024x768 on my secondary (as
> apposed to on the primary). How would I do that without having to
> start the
> server at 1024x768 and drag it to the second display?
>
> Bryan Hundven 
>

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 full screen mode exit

[Alexander Gottwald]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, CygX Forever wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My XWin.exe line reads:
> 
> start /B XWin :0 -from TOSHI -query mylinux -depth 16 -fullscreen
> 
> OK. So I press  to see Windows' lower taskbar. But,
> how can I do a normal exit out of Cygwin/XFree86 without terminating
> Cygwin command prompt window?

 or with -unixkill: 

bye
ago
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RE: Cygwin/XFree86 - patches up to Test59

[Harold Hunt]

Ian,

The xoncygwin tree on sourceforge is for the Native GDI development only.
We're trying to keep the tree on sourceforge up to date, but that is not our
primary concern.

So, you kinda had it backwards :)

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Burrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:41 PM
> To: Harold Hunt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - patches up to Test59
>
>
> Harold Hunt wrote:
> > All changes from Server Test Series releases Test 56, Test 57,
> Test 58, and
> > Test 59.
> >
>
> Are these patches in the CVS tree for the sourceforge.net xoncygwin
> project? I am assuming that is where Cygwin/XFree86 development happens
> and when things are stable they get fed to the XFree86 developers and
> added to their CVS tree.
>
>   - Ian
>
> --
> Ian Burrell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.znark.com/
>

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 - patches up to Test59

[Ian Burrell]

Harold Hunt wrote:
> All changes from Server Test Series releases Test 56, Test 57, Test 58, and
> Test 59.
> 

Are these patches in the CVS tree for the sourceforge.net xoncygwin 
project? I am assuming that is where Cygwin/XFree86 development happens 
and when things are stable they get fed to the XFree86 developers and 
added to their CVS tree.

  - Ian

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Re: cygwin/xfree86 Unable to open X display after first success

[Christopher Faylor]

Wrong mailing list.  Redirected.

cgf

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 05:39:30PM -0400, Dennis Hui wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm having problem with X display after first
>successful launch of an X application.  (Prior to this
>I did xhost +) When I remote logged in to a remote
>host, I first exported the DISPLAY=:0.0 and
>started the X application (e.g. xclock, xeyes, or
>xterm). Then I quitted the application, and tried to
>run another X app., I got: ERROR: unable to open X
>display.  I have trouble running any subsequent X
>display.
>
>I have to quit XFree86 and restart X Windows before I
>can start my X application again. 
>
>When quitting XFree86, I get the following error
>message:
>$ xterm:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or
>KillClient on X server ":0.0"
>XIO:  fatal IO error 113 (The connection was aborted)
>on X server ":0.0"xterm:
>fatal IO error 113 (The connection was aborted) or
>KillClient on X server ":0.0" 
>  after 3002 requests (3000 known processed) with
>3 events = remaining.
>
>The Cygwin/XFree86 base that I use is 4.2.0-1.  Please
>let me know if I missed anything.
>Thanks,
>
>Attached is the output of cygcheck -s -v -r.
>
>Dennis Hui
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Re: Cygwin/XFree86 Unable to open X display after first success

[Staf Verhaegen]

Dennis Hui wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having problem with X display after first
> successful launch of an X application.  (Prior to this
> I did xhost +) When I remote logged in to a remote
> host, I first exported the DISPLAY=:0.0 and
> started the X application (e.g. xclock, xeyes, or
> xterm). Then I quitted the application, and tried to
> run another X app., I got: ERROR: unable to open X
> display.  I have trouble running any subsequent X
> display.

XFree86 resets the server when the last X client quits. So probably your xhost
+ is lost due to the reset. You can prevent this reset by always running a
local xterm or run a window manager local that you don't quit.

Staf.
 
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Re: Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe package problem

[Sam Edge]

Harold Hunt wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in gmane.os.cygwin.xfree on Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:17:07 -0400:

> That's because I screwed up when I modified Ian's build.sh script.  I forgot
> to make the symbolic links part of the Xlib package... and I think I
> accidentally made the Xetc package contain invalid links.  Oh well.  I fixed
> it now, I think.
> I put a new setup.ini and XFree86-lib-4.2.0-2.tar.bz2 at
> ftp://huntharo-4.user.msu.edu/pub/cygwin/

There is still a problem Harold. The links I'm getting have the
correct directory names but aren't rooted i.e. 

app-defaults -> etc/X11/app-defaults
fs -> etc/X11/fs
lbxproxy -> etc/X11/lbxproxy
proxymngr -> etc/X11/proxymngr
rstart -> etc/X11/rstart
twm -> etc/X11/twm
xdm -> etc/X11/xdm
xinit -> etc/X11/xinit
xserver -> etc/X11/xserver
xsm -> etc/X11/xsm

You could link them like XftConfig and xkb are;

app-defaults -> ../../../../etc/X11/app-defaults
fs -> ../../../../etc/X11/fs
lbxproxy -> ../../../../etc/X11/lbxproxy
proxymngr -> ../../../../etc/X11/proxymngr
rstart -> ../../../../etc/X11/rstart
twm -> ../../../../etc/X11/twm
xdm -> ../../../../etc/X11/xdm
xinit -> ../../../../etc/X11/xinit
xserver -> ../../../../etc/X11/xserver
xsm -> ../../../../etc/X11/xsm

-- 
Sam Edge

Re: cygwin/xfree86 setup.exe package problem

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 11:17:07PM -0400, Harold Hunt wrote:
>Chris: What do I do to get the new XFree86-lib file onto the mirrors?  Do
>you want to take care of that (in general), or should I be updating my
>packages via ssh?  Would I have the necessary premissions for that?

You have the permissions to update yourself, Harold.  The directory in
question is /sourceware/ftp/anonftp/pub/cygwin/release/XFree86/ .

Go for it!

cgf

Re: Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe package problem

[Sam Edge]

You wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in gmane.os.cygwin.xfree on Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:17:07 -0400:

> That's because I screwed up when I modified Ian's build.sh script.  I forgot
> to make the symbolic links part of the Xlib package... and I think I
> accidentally made the Xetc package contain invalid links.  Oh well.  I fixed
> it now, I think.

Anything that makes less work for me. Thanks. :-)

(All five symbolic links under /etc/X11 seem to be valid, by the way.)

-- 
Sam Edge

RE: Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe package problem

[Harold Hunt]

Sam,

That's because I screwed up when I modified Ian's build.sh script.  I forgot
to make the symbolic links part of the Xlib package... and I think I
accidentally made the Xetc package contain invalid links.  Oh well.  I fixed
it now, I think.

I put a new setup.ini and XFree86-lib-4.2.0-2.tar.bz2 at
ftp://huntharo-4.user.msu.edu/pub/cygwin/

Chris: What do I do to get the new XFree86-lib file onto the mirrors?  Do
you want to take care of that (in general), or should I be updating my
packages via ssh?  Would I have the necessary premissions for that?

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Edge
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:51 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 setup.exe package problem
>
>
> I've just expunged a working /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6 and used
> SETUP.EXE to install XFree86 4.2.0 via setup.exe on a Windows 95
> Cygwin installation.
>
> Everything went well except that several symbolic links were missing
> and I had to enter the following by hand;
>
> ln -s /etc/X11/app-defaults /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults
> ln -s /etc/X11/fs /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs
> ln -s /etc/X11/lbxproxy /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/lbxproxy
> ln -s /etc/X11/proxymngr /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/proxymngr
> ln -s /etc/X11/rstart /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rstart
> ln -s /etc/X11/twm /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/twm
> ln -s /etc/X11/xdm /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm
> ln -s /etc/X11/xinit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit
> ln -s /etc/X11/xserver /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver
> ln -s /etc/X11/xsm /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xsm
>
> These are the directories that are more normally copied or links from
> Xinstall.sh as the ETCDLINKS list.
>
> Why not have either a post-install script or have the XFree86-base tar
> archive contain them?
>
> --
> Sam Edge

Re: cygwin/xfree86 setup.exe packages available for comments and testing

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 11:17:56PM +0200, Benjamin Riefenstahl wrote:
>"Harold Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Excellent idea.  Now I just need someone to write that script.
>> Shouldn't be too hard.  Any takers?
>
>How about
>
>  fontdir=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
>  wfontdir=`cygpath -w $fontdir`
>  mount -bfs $wfontdir $fontdir 2> /dev/null || mount -bfu $wfontdir $fontdir
>
>IOW, create a system mount in binary mode on the font directory,
>disregarding any existing mount on the same place.  If the user is not
>allowed to create a system mount, create a user mount instead.
>
>This would break when there already is a user mount in text mode.
>That seems pretty unlikely, though.

This looks pretty good to me.

How about something like this, though:

  fontdir=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
  wfontdir=`cygpath -w $fontdir`
  umount -u $fontdir 2>/dev/null
  mount -bfs $wfontdir $fontdir 2> /dev/null || mount -bfu $wfontdir $fontdir

Just to ensure that there is no user mount?

Btw, I like the use of the fontdir variable in this context.  It's a
little thing, but...

cgf

Re: cygwin/xfree86 setup.exe packages available for comments and testing

[Benjamin Riefenstahl]

"Harold Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Excellent idea.  Now I just need someone to write that script.
> Shouldn't be too hard.  Any takers?

How about

  fontdir=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
  wfontdir=`cygpath -w $fontdir`
  mount -bfs $wfontdir $fontdir 2> /dev/null || mount -bfu $wfontdir $fontdir

IOW, create a system mount in binary mode on the font directory,
disregarding any existing mount on the same place.  If the user is not
allowed to create a system mount, create a user mount instead.

This would break when there already is a user mount in text mode.
That seems pretty unlikely, though.


so long, benny

Re: cygwin/xfree86 logged into KDE3 causes strange cygwin error

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:22:26PM -0500, Harold Hunt wrote:
>Oh yeah, by "sketchy" I meant that after it happens a few times and I
>switch the focus away from Cygwin/XFree86 two things happen:
>
>1) Cygwin/XFree86 freezes solid.
>
>2) The Windows mouse cursor disappears and the Windows mouse doesn't
>work until I reboot.  The mouse doesn't even start to work again when
>you press Ctrl+Alt+Del and get the Windows Security box that usually
>works perfectly even when programs have crashed.
>
>Yeah...  that's pretty sketchy.

It sounds like typical memory overwrite problems.  I have never
seen that error show up in any other application.  I thought I had actually
turned off assertions in the released version of cygwin.  Guess I was
mistaken.

There are only two popular users of vfork that I'm aware of: sh and make.
It's possible that their needs are simple enough that they're not
triggering a cygwin bug that kde is triggering.  It's also possible that
kde is just doing a plain old fashioned overwriting of memory.

It should be fairly simple to figure out what's stomping on the memory
but it will have to (obviously?) be done by someone who has kde and
feels up to debugging the cygwin DLL.  Just watching what happens to
cygheap->fdtab.fds_on_hold during a vfork should pinpoint it pretty
quickly.

cgf

Re: cygwin/xfree86 logged into KDE3 causes strange cygwin error

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:14:44PM -0500, Harold Hunt wrote:
>This is the first time I have every seen anything like this in
>Cygwin/XFree86.
>
>I just installed KDE3 on my Linux box and when I login via XDMCP and run
>Konsole I get this error message in Windows:
>
>---
>Error
>---
>Failed assertion
>   fds_on_hold != NULL
>at line 643 of file
>/cygnus/netrel/src/cygwin-1.3.10-1/winsup/cygwin/dtable.cc
>---
>OK
>---
>
>
>So far this has happened only when I launch Konsole.  Cygwin/XFree86 doesn't
>crash when this happens, but things seem to get sketchy after it happens a
>few times.
>
>Any ideas?

It's coming from vfork.  Something's stomping on memory that is supposed
to hold a copy of the fd table.

cgf

RE: Cygwin/XFree86 logged into KDE3 causes strange Cygwin error

[Harold Hunt]

Oh yeah, by "sketchy" I meant that after it happens a few times and I switch
the focus away from Cygwin/XFree86 two things happen:

1) Cygwin/XFree86 freezes solid.

2) The Windows mouse cursor disappears and the Windows mouse doesn't work
until I reboot.  The mouse doesn't even start to work again when you press
Ctrl+Alt+Del and get the Windows Security box that usually works perfectly
even when programs have crashed.

Yeah... that's pretty sketchy.

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harold Hunt
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:15 PM
> To: cygx
> Cc: cygwin
> Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 logged into KDE3 causes strange Cygwin error
>
>
> This is the first time I have every seen anything like this in
> Cygwin/XFree86.
>
> I just installed KDE3 on my Linux box and when I login via XDMCP and run
> Konsole I get this error message in Windows:
>
> ---
> Error
> ---
> Failed assertion
>   fds_on_hold != NULL
> at line 643 of file
> /cygnus/netrel/src/cygwin-1.3.10-1/winsup/cygwin/dtable.cc
> ---
> OK
> ---
>
>
> So far this has happened only when I launch Konsole.
> Cygwin/XFree86 doesn't
> crash when this happens, but things seem to get sketchy after it happens a
> few times.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Harold
>

Re: cygwin/xfree86

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:30:51PM +0100, Jean-Marc Nuzillard wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have downloaded today's version of cygwin, installed all packages,
>downloaded the todays's files for xfree86, installed as described.
>From bash I went to /usr/X11R6/bin and ran "sh startxwin.sh".
>I got a white window that filled the screen for half a second and then 
>disappeared.
>
>As startup-scripts.tar.gz contains a startxwin.bat file, I opened a dos 
>command window,
>went to\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin and typed startxwin.bat.
>I got shell windows entitled xterm and twm, then the white screen, then 
>nothing.
>My dos shell contains after that :
>startxwin.bat - Starting on Windows 95/98/Me
>X connection to 127.0.0.1:0.0 broken (explicit kill or sever shutdown).
>
>The enclosed file was produced by cygcheck -scv.
>
>Would be fine have X running on my PC/Windows.
>If someone can help, thanks in advance.

I've redirected this message to the proper mailing list.

cgf

>Cygwin Package Information
>Last downloaded files to: C:\Mes documents\Jean-marc\CygInst2
>Last downloaded files from: ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sources.redhat.com/pub/cygwin
>
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RE: Cygwin/XFree86: telnet and ssh

[Harold Hunt]

Send all of your questions to the Cygwin/XFree86 mailing list, where I have
forwarded this question:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Paul Laberge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cygwin/XFree86: telnet and ssh
>
>
> Hi Harold,
>
> Sorry to bother you with my questions.
>
> I just installed the Cygwin/Xfree86 package by following your
> documentation
> word by word (2 times).  Everything went well, until page 19 when
> I tried to
> use telnet and ssh.  I don’t find these programs in my /usr/bin directory
> (or any other directories under C:\Cygwin).  Where should I find these
> programs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jean-Paul Laberge
> Montreal, Quebec
>
>

Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory

[Alexander Gottwald]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Nagy Tibor wrote:

> It is interesting also, that the keyboard LEDs (NumLock, CapsLock) do
> not work on Win98 but they work on Win2000.

The win32 api is slightly different between win9x and winnt. Maybe this is a
reason for this. 

bye
ago
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Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory

[Nagy Tibor]

Hi Harold,

you are right, the problem appears on Win98 with 64MB memory. I tried it
yesterday also on Win2000, however with 128MB memory, there wasn't any
problem. I'll try it also on Win98 with 128MB.

It is interesting also, that the keyboard LEDs (NumLock, CapsLock) do
not work on Win98 but they work on Win2000.

Tibor

Harold Hunt wrote:
> 
> Tibor,
> 
> How much memory does your system have?  Give me a count of just the physical
> memory.  Also, let me know what version of Windows you are running.
> 
> It is correct that each window opened in XDMCP needs memory, but that is
> expected.  However, I'm running Windows 2000 and I opened 56 konsoles, but
> XWin.exe only took 18 MB of memory (according to Task Monitor).  I'm
> guessing that you're running Windows 95/98/Me, so the numbers that you are
> seeing are actually skewed (Task Monitor does a terrible job of reporting
> memory usage, but the tools in 95/98/Me are even worse).
> 
> Basically, I'm guessing that you don't have enough physical memory to be
> doing what you are trying to do.
> 
> Harold
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nagy Tibor
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:26 AM
> > To: Harold Hunt
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory
> >
> >
> > Hi Harold,
> >
> > I am logging into KDE on a remote machine via XDMCP.
> >
> > Tibor
> >
> > Harold Hunt wrote:
> > >
> > > Nagy,
> > >
> > > Are you running KDE under Cygwin or are you logging into KDE on a remote
> > > machine via XMDCP?  I'm assuming that you are running KDE
> > locally.  In that
> > > case, you problem is most likely specific to KDE, not to Cygwin/XFree86.
> > > So, you're going to have to ask the kde-on-cygwin folks the
> > same question in
> > > order to get some answers.
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nagy Tibor
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:25 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did somebody observed that Cygwin/Xfree86's memory usage suddenly
> > > > increases, causing Windows getting slow?
> > > >
> > > > I start Cygwin/Xfree86 and 50 konsole (KDE console) in it. I see in
> > > > Win98 performance monitor that CPU usage is 15%, memory usage
> > is  70MB,
> > > > free physical memory 20MB and swap file size is 30MB. Than I start 5
> > > > konsoles more and sudenly CPU usage is 60%, memory usage is 96MB, free
> > > > physical memory 0MB and swap file size is 280MB!!! and the
> > whole system
> > > > is getting very slow.
> > > >
> > > > What is this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > > > Tibor Nagy
> > > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > 
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Tibor Nagy
> > Director of Card and Core Banking Systems Development Project
> > National Savings and Commercial Bank Ltd (OTP Bank)
> > H-1051 Budapest Nador u. 16.
> > Tel: 00 36 1 374 6990 Fax: 00 36 1 374 6981   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 

-- 

Tibor Nagy
Director of Card and Core Banking Systems Development Project
National Savings and Commercial Bank Ltd (OTP Bank)
H-1051 Budapest Nador u. 16.
Tel: 00 36 1 374 6990   Fax: 00 36 1 374 6981   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory

[Harold Hunt]

Tibor,

How much memory does your system have?  Give me a count of just the physical
memory.  Also, let me know what version of Windows you are running.

It is correct that each window opened in XDMCP needs memory, but that is
expected.  However, I'm running Windows 2000 and I opened 56 konsoles, but
XWin.exe only took 18 MB of memory (according to Task Monitor).  I'm
guessing that you're running Windows 95/98/Me, so the numbers that you are
seeing are actually skewed (Task Monitor does a terrible job of reporting
memory usage, but the tools in 95/98/Me are even worse).

Basically, I'm guessing that you don't have enough physical memory to be
doing what you are trying to do.

Harold

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nagy Tibor
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:26 AM
> To: Harold Hunt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory
>
>
> Hi Harold,
>
> I am logging into KDE on a remote machine via XDMCP.
>
> Tibor
>
> Harold Hunt wrote:
> >
> > Nagy,
> >
> > Are you running KDE under Cygwin or are you logging into KDE on a remote
> > machine via XMDCP?  I'm assuming that you are running KDE
> locally.  In that
> > case, you problem is most likely specific to KDE, not to Cygwin/XFree86.
> > So, you're going to have to ask the kde-on-cygwin folks the
> same question in
> > order to get some answers.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nagy Tibor
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:25 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory
> > >
> > >
> > > Did somebody observed that Cygwin/Xfree86's memory usage suddenly
> > > increases, causing Windows getting slow?
> > >
> > > I start Cygwin/Xfree86 and 50 konsole (KDE console) in it. I see in
> > > Win98 performance monitor that CPU usage is 15%, memory usage
> is  70MB,
> > > free physical memory 20MB and swap file size is 30MB. Than I start 5
> > > konsoles more and sudenly CPU usage is 60%, memory usage is 96MB, free
> > > physical memory 0MB and swap file size is 280MB!!! and the
> whole system
> > > is getting very slow.
> > >
> > > What is this?
> > >
> > >
> 
> > > Tibor Nagy
> > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> 
>
> --
> 
> Tibor Nagy
> Director of Card and Core Banking Systems Development Project
> National Savings and Commercial Bank Ltd (OTP Bank)
> H-1051 Budapest Nador u. 16.
> Tel: 00 36 1 374 6990 Fax: 00 36 1 374 6981   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory

[Nagy Tibor]

I am reproducing only the problem of cource with 51 konsoles. The
problem appears usually at normal work also after a while.

Additional info: I am logging into KDE on a remote machine with XDMCP.

Tibor


Ralf Habacker wrote:
> 
> >
> > Did somebody observed that Cygwin/Xfree86's memory usage suddenly
> > increases, causing Windows getting slow?
> >
> > I start Cygwin/Xfree86 and 50 konsole (KDE console) in it. I see in
> > Win98 performance monitor that CPU usage is 15%, memory usage is  70MB,
> > free physical memory 20MB and swap file size is 30MB. Than I start 5
> > konsoles more and sudenly CPU usage is 60%, memory usage is 96MB, free
> > physical memory 0MB and swap file size is 280MB!!! and the whole system
> > is getting very slow.
> >
> > What is this?
> For what you need 55 consoles ?
> 
> Ralf

-- 

Tibor Nagy
Director of Card and Core Banking Systems Development Project
National Savings and Commercial Bank Ltd (OTP Bank)
H-1051 Budapest Nador u. 16.
Tel: 00 36 1 374 6990   Fax: 00 36 1 374 6981   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory

[Nagy Tibor]

Hi Harold,

I am logging into KDE on a remote machine via XDMCP.

Tibor

Harold Hunt wrote:
> 
> Nagy,
> 
> Are you running KDE under Cygwin or are you logging into KDE on a remote
> machine via XMDCP?  I'm assuming that you are running KDE locally.  In that
> case, you problem is most likely specific to KDE, not to Cygwin/XFree86.
> So, you're going to have to ask the kde-on-cygwin folks the same question in
> order to get some answers.
> 
> Harold
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nagy Tibor
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:25 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Cygwin XFree86 consumes memory
> >
> >
> > Did somebody observed that Cygwin/Xfree86's memory usage suddenly
> > increases, causing Windows getting slow?
> >
> > I start Cygwin/Xfree86 and 50 konsole (KDE console) in it. I see in
> > Win98 performance monitor that CPU usage is 15%, memory usage is  70MB,
> > free physical memory 20MB and swap file size is 30MB. Than I start 5
> > konsoles more and sudenly CPU usage is 60%, memory usage is 96MB, free
> > physical memory 0MB and swap file size is 280MB!!! and the whole system
> > is getting very slow.
> >
> > What is this?
> >
> > 
> > Tibor Nagy
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 

-- 

Tibor Nagy
Director of Card and Core Banking Systems Development Project
National Savings and Commercial Bank Ltd (OTP Bank)
H-1051 Budapest Nador u. 16.
Tel: 00 36 1 374 6990   Fax: 00 36 1 374 6981   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions -- typo

[Harold Hunt]

Jeremiah,

> I did notice a recurring typo, though:  in sections 9.4-9.6, you
> have "whom"
> where you should have "who".

The word 'whom' is not a typo.  The usage of 'whom' is one of the finer
points of the English language.  I can assure you that I used it correctly,
as an interrogative.  The definition and usage of 'whom' is discussed at:
http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?whom

Thanks all the same,

Harold

P.S. A link to the sections in question:
http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-xfree-faq.html#q-copyright-cygwin-
xfree86

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremiah Kivi Shapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cygwin/XFree86 Frequently Asked Questions -- typo
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for the Cygwin/XFree86 FAQ!  It's very handy, and one of
> the reasons
> I'll be giving the program(s?) a try.
>
> I did notice a recurring typo, though:  in sections 9.4-9.6, you
> have "whom"
> where you should have "who".
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Jeremiah