Re: Stand back or I'll jump....
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 11:01 pm, John Kelsey wrote: At 03:21 PM 2/19/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: If their goal is to blackmail us into not invading them, I don't think they need to threaten to nuke LA or DC. As I said before, the obvious thing would be for North Korea to threaten to nuke itself! This should clearly be called the Blazing Saddles strategy. -TD --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or they could be trying for the The Mouse that Roared strategy. The press does say that Kim Chong-IL is quite a movie buff, but I doubt he does a very good Peter Sellers impression :) -- Neil Johnson PGP key available on request.
Re: School of the future
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:54:47AM -, David Howe wrote: at Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:04 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: The real school of the future won't have classrooms at all, and no teachers as we now know them. Instead there will be workstations with VR helmets and a number of software gurus in the machine tailoring themselves to the individual students needs and personality. The machine will never be tired or grumpy or just having a bad day or serious personality problems like human teachers. They would if I wrote them :) Some days you need a kind, understanding, sympathetic teacher; others, you need the Scary kind :) That's the socio/psych aspect of the teacher/student relationship which has little to do with the actual functions of imparting and learning information. Better to have part of the day spent with a shrink in group counseling sessions inbetween time on machine. Since the info would be learned at least 10x faster, they'd have plenty of time for that, or hands on shop classes, etc. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: School of the future
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:04 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: The real school of the future won't have classrooms at all, and no teachers as we now know them. Instead there will be workstations with VR helmets and a number of software gurus in the machine tailoring themselves to the individual students needs and personality. The machine will never be tired or grumpy or just having a bad day or serious personality problems like human teachers. They would if I wrote them :) Some days you need a kind, understanding, sympathetic teacher; others, you need the Scary kind :)
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
at Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:28 AM, Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: No oil but lots of dope, especially lots of high grade opium and the CIA and the US scum military has been just desperate to get control of the world heroin trade again like they did in Vietnam days. They don't need to build a pipeline though Afganistan any more then? I know they were pretty annoyed when the taleban refused to let them, prior to 9/11
Re: To Steve Shear, re Rome, Architects, Shuttles, Congress
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:27:31PM -0500, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Hackers don't work on their own brakes for a reason: evolution. I do. That way I know they were done right. Specialization is for insects. Eric
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
I'm trying to think of something I'd personally be less interested in investing my own money in than an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. Lots of money invested up front, literally hundreds of small groups who could threaten to damage it as a way of demanding a share of the loot, very hard to defend, etc. What an opportunity! And best of all, neither oil wells nor customers at either end!!
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
So the US killed a lot of people there, so as to spread respect for freedom and democracy, and installed another dictator without elections, or any plan for elections The current leader was elected, not in accordance with western democratic norms that some people want to impose of Afghans at gunpoint, but in accordance with Afghan democratic norms.
Creeds and Thoughtcrime
Watching Attorney General Ashcroft announce the latest series of arrests of terrorist financiers and sympathizers, it's clear that the last shreds of Ashcroft is saying the group's creed rejects any peaceful solution (of the Palestinian situation). Well, duh, since when does a group's _creed_ about foreign or domestic issues matter? (Modulo the usual exception, arguably, about creed's advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government.) And when is raising funds for use in foreign countries a matter for the U.S. government to outlaw? What about the liberal and black activists who raised money for the opposition in South Africa? Should Jesse Jackson have been arrested for shilling for the ANC terrorists? And so on, for scores of cases where Americans excercised their freedom to send money to Jews fighting the Brits in Palestine, white farmers in Rhodesia fighting the communists trying to take control of the country, Polish mine strikers intent on collapsing the Soviet-backed government, thought criminals in China, Holocaust historians attempting to set the record straight, and, of course, mercenaries and Birchers and activists of every persuasion in hundreds of cases where Americans funded and even fought for various causes. This notion that support for Jew terrorists is admissable, but support for Palestinian freedom fighters is thoughtcrime cannot be reconciled with the Constitution. Ashcroft should be tried and executed. --Tim May The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else. --Frederic Bastiat
Re: Blood for Oil (was The Pig Boy was really squealing today
At 10:50 AM 2/20/03 +, David Howe wrote: ... They don't need to build a pipeline though Afganistan any more then? I know they were pretty annoyed when the taleban refused to let them, prior to 9/11 I'm trying to think of something I'd personally be less interested in investing my own money in than an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. Lots of money invested up front, literally hundreds of small groups who could threaten to damage it as a way of demanding a share of the loot, very hard to defend, etc. What an opportunity! --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eBay's Patriotism
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:17 AM, Eric Cordian wrote: There's an interesting story on the home page of http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ disclosing eBay's policy of giving all information they have on a user to any guvment-appearing person who asks for it. It's well known that eBay ruminates over what fraud could do to its reputation, and employs a slew of former prosecutors and ex-LEA types to be on the constant lookout for it. Nonetheless, it's somewhat stunning to see eBay's policy articulated in print, in somewhat less disingenuous terms than are articulated in the I Agree link one clicks when registering with the site. It's probably not a bright idea to login to eBay when just browsing items. Google does much the same thing. (They have staffed-up with sheep-dipped NSA types.) No need for a Library Awareness Program with out-of-date, printed-in-1967 chemistry and electronics textbooks when the Web is such a cornucopia of current information and when Google, E-Bay, and the credit reporting companies are so eager and willing to assist the Thought Police. Secure Web proxies and digital currency now more than ever! Meanwhile, assume a profile of your surfing, purchasing, and reading habits is being compiled with or without official Congressional support for Total Information Awareness. --Tim May
Heroic Airport Screeners, hospital shut down
Cologne Mist Sparks Pa. Airport Probe By DAVID B. CARUSO Associated Press Writer February 20, 2003, 10:33 AM EST PHILADELPHIA -- A Saudi Arabian traveler set the city's anti-terrorism machine into full gear when he sprayed three airport guards with cologne while trying to demonstrate that the liquid wasn't dangerous. The [heroic] security screeners were rushed to Methodist Hospital after being spritzed Wednesday as the [swarthy complexioned] student passed through a [fatherland] checkpoint at Philadelphia International Airport. Unsure whether they had a [vicious, freedom hating terrorist] biological attack on their hands, [heroic] hospital officials ordered a full quarantine. Ambulances inbound to the [freedom loving people's] emergency room were diverted to other hospitals. Patients and staff who had contact with the [heroic, crusading] guards were quarantined for nearly three hours. We didn't know what the [atomized chemical or bioweapon] substance was, said hospital spokeswoman Nan Myers. [Heroic] FBI spokeswoman Linda Vizi said the 22-year-old [so called] student, whose [arabic sounding] name was withheld by authorities, was detained and [interrogated under duress and coercion and] questioned, then released [for further, secret surveillance] hours later after [the people's] chemical tests confirmed that the [terroristic] vapors were harmless [probably due to an oversight on the part of the freedom hating terrorist swarthy complexioned so called student]. He was here legally. All his papers were in order. His flight plans were in order. [Shit, we tried like hell for three hours to pin some kind of heavy shit on the kid, but the FBI newbies kept talking about 'facts are stubbord' or some such shit.] No federal law was violated. He was released, Vizi said. He missed his flight to Europe. [We tried to fuck with him as much as we could, but time just ran out.] Initially, even the [heroic] screeners themselves didn't consider the [terrorist] incident worth reporting, Vizi said. But they had second thoughts about the sweet-smelling spray and called police [after we told them this was a free ticket to fucking with an A-rab, why not have some fun?], she said. Flights weren't disrupted and no one was evacuated from the terminal, said [people's] airport spokesman Mark Pesce. Copyright ) 2003, The Associated Press
Re: Supressed? speech by Sen. Robert Byrd -- Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences
At 1:04 PM -0800 2/14/03, Trei, Peter wrote: This comes from another mailing list. I've confirmed that it's not been reported on by the NYT, the Washington Post, or the Boston Globe. http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0212-07.htm FWIW - This speech was reprinted as an op-ed piece in today's San Francisco Chronicle. Of course you don't have to pay attention to the opinions of people in San Francisco... Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: eBay's Patriotism
At 11:42 AM 2/20/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:17 AM, Eric Cordian wrote: There's an interesting story on the home page of http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ disclosing eBay's policy of giving all information they have on a user to any guvment-appearing person who asks It's probably not a bright idea to login to eBay when just browsing items. Google does much the same thing. (They have staffed-up with sheep-dipped NSA types.) No need for a Library Awareness Program with out-of-date, printed-in-1967 chemistry and electronics textbooks when the Web is such a cornucopia of current information and when Google, E-Bay, and the credit reporting companies are so eager and willing to assist the Thought Police. Secure Web proxies and digital currency now more than ever! JAP and CookieCooker are two easy to install Windows proxy apps. http://anon.inf.tu-dresden.de/index_en.html steve
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil What the fuck are you talking about? Neither you nor anyone else has the authority to ban anyone here, shitforbrains. Actually the site looks pretty good, lots of anti-war, anti-dubbyascum stuff -- right on! Idiot. I didn't mention a damn thing about banning anybody from the list. I did mention using the good ol' 1950's style blacklists used by employers to keep pinkos and commies off their payrolls. No, being anti-war doesn't get you blacklisted. Bullshit like comments against corporate globalization and prominently linking to socialist Ten-Point Justice Agendas and sites like zmag.org and commiedreams.org gets you blacklisted, as it indicates that one is of the so-called progressive, leftist commie totalitarian persuasion. -- Tom Veil
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
Any idea of why the fucker started up with the punching? As I remember, Schear described himself as 5'2 at the time. Those that feel powerless normally look for someone to have power over. -TD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Veil) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities Date: 20 Feb 2003 02:45:17 - Steve Schear wrote on February 19, 2003 at 12:23: (snipped] As was the regimen then, the class would line up before and after activities to check attendance, then we would shower. To help the instructor the lineup order was fixed. It so happened that the student behind me was one of those being bussed in. I had not taken much notice of him until the day he decided that my back looked to be good target for his fist. His method was to punch me about every 5 seconds like clock work. Any idea of why the fucker started up with the punching? It started at the first line up and continued to just before showers. (I know some of my fellow students saw him hitting me but they pretended not to and said anything.) His locker was almost opposite of mine and as the class prepared to shower he continued his ritualistic abuse. I waited until most of the others were gone and just as he was about to land a blow I quickly turned, blocked his punch, grabbed and twisted his arm to lock it and drew him into a side kick to his throat. His trachea partly collapsed and he fell to the floor choking. I calmly continued undressing and went to the shower. When I came back some students we standing around him and an instructor was giving him mouth to mouth. I heard he was taken to the hospital. No one asked me about him, I never saw him again and none of the students said a word. Excellent! A shame he wasn't killed, as he deserved to be. Several days later three of his friends tried to jump me between classes in a relatively isolated area of the campus, one had a knife I gave them a very painful lesson with my nanchuk. I never saw them again either, nor was I ever questioned about them by school administrators. Afterward, I took to walking to classes with friends, mostly other martial arts students, but no further incidents occurred. Its a good thing this happened back then. Today, I would have been shot Unless you shot the fucking African-American attackers dead first. This is why I think bullied kids should carry handguns. Preferably easily concealed ones, the smallest one with the highest caliber. Bust a cap in their fucking brains. and/or arrested. Any cop who would arrest you for a clear-cut case of self-defense would need to be shot dead. -- Tom Veil _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
At 10:50 AM 2/20/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Any idea of why the fucker started up with the punching? I did turn around in line-up and ask the student why he was punching me and to stop. He simply gave me a smug grin and continued. As I remember, Schear described himself as 5'2 at the time. Those that feel powerless normally look for someone to have power over. Especially when they are noticeably larger then you, which this student was (half a head taller and at least 20 pounds heavier). steve
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:13:45PM -, Tom Veil wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil What the fuck are you talking about? Neither you nor anyone else has the authority to ban anyone here, shitforbrains. Actually the site looks pretty good, lots of anti-war, anti-dubbyascum stuff -- right on! Idiot. I didn't mention a damn thing about banning anybody from the list. blacklist, ban, baaa baaa baaa -- what's the diff? I did mention using the good ol' 1950's style blacklists used by employers to keep pinkos and commies off their payrolls. You sound exactly like one of the morons from the fifties. No, being anti-war doesn't get you blacklisted. Bullshit like comments against corporate globalization and prominently linking to socialist Ten-Point Justice Agendas and sites like zmag.org and commiedreams.org gets you blacklisted, as it indicates that one is of the so-called progressive, leftist commie totalitarian persuasion. And you are obviously a political retard. Communism is dead, the enemy now is fascism. Do you know the difference? Can we say corporate welfare state??? The mega-corps *are* the problem today, it's they who put and keep the fascists in power. Quite frankly, I'd trade Castro for Bush anytime, at least we wouldn't have all the goddam disgusting christian bullshit all the time. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil Actually, a turning point in my thinking came a few years ago while watching Fidel Castro talk on CNN from Riverside church. Oddly, I found that I agreed with 99% of what the guy said. (Of course, from what I've been able to filter out from the anti-Cuba propaganda, I don't think I'd like Castro's answers to his issues a hellava lot, but that's besides the point.) Me? I'm highly suspicious of anyone who believes that one system of thought answers all of the questions and problems: Right, Left, Libertarian...anyone's fulla shit if he he accepted a Program lock, stock, and barrel. From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:20:19 -0600 On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil What the fuck are you talking about? Neither you nor anyone else has the authority to ban anyone here, shitforbrains. Actually the site looks pretty good, lots of anti-war, anti-dubbyascum stuff -- right on! -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil
zmag.org and commiedreams.org gets you blacklisted, as it indicates that one is of the so-called progressive, leftist commie totalitarian persuasion. Blacklisted! Sniff sniff...I'm hurt! Does this mean I'm kicked out from the yearbook committee too? And do I have to tear up my Cypherpunks membership card? The only important point to make here, is that it doesn't really matter what the political persuasion is of someone who contributes to anything nominally Cypherpunkish. If they are promoting/using/developing/suggesting strong crypto apps, certain types of thought-control will eventually be thrown off as a result of such apps. (Of course, there are those who believe that something like an anarchic/libertarian society must arise as a result, but one's BELIEFS are largely irrelevant.) As for quoting zmag (which I do), it's silly that this indicates a necessarily leftie/pinko/commie slant. Chomsky, a frequent contributor, has described himself as basically anarchic in his political leanings. More importantly, however, is the fact that Chomsky often develops some very strong counter-arguments to US agit-spew. However, if quoting zmag means I'm a commie pinko faggot, sobeit. -TD _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
