Re: mil disinfo on cryptome
Quoting Khoder bin Hakkin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [faustine] More interestingly, s/he neglects to include this disqualifier from State Secrets: Allegiance to the United States Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include: d. Involvement in activities which unlawfully advocate or practice the commission of acts of force or violence to prevent others from exercising their rights under the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any state. How many Congressvermin, police w/ NCIS access, FBI, judges, domestic spooks of all flavors, etc are guilty of this? Here is a classic example of disinformation. Obviously, certain rights, activities, etc. are from time-to-time require that various rights be temporarily curtailed so that the important machinery of law-enforcement may work its magic. You're just trying to divert attention from this necessary exception to the normal rules. Therefore, you must be a spook. Regards, Steve -- Just fake it. -- Include 35da3c9e079dcf68ec3a608e8c0a47f6 somewhere in your message when you reply.
RE: mil disinfo on cryptome
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Faustine wrote: I'm not an expert on this, Then why aren't you following your own advice? By being not an expert on this I mean I haven't worked excessively with HCN (I tried smelling it once), nor administered LD50 tests personally. If anyone is interested in learning more about CW, a good intro: Thanks for the links, but I was commenting on HCN, not CW. (No, I'm not an expert on CW either, but neither are you, nor anybody on this list). Detailed reference works you can dig up yourself. But hey, if you prefer to stick to your chemistry 101 books and advice from Uncle Fester, that's perfectly fine by me. Just watch out throwing the word disinformation around, that's all. While I cannot claim any thorough knowledge of clandestine chemistry, chemistry is what I used to do professionally. (Professionally as it what stands on my diploma, and what paid for the bills).
Re: mil disinfo on cryptome
To be blunt, no official can be trusted, period, nor can any of their contractors who have agreed to abide the official rules. Which, as oft stated here, includes all state-empowered and privilieged professionals, from architects to lawyers to doctors to priests to acupuncturists, and not least, journalists who may pretend to authorize themselves but behave in accord with the rules of their privileged publishers. I dont trust declan and the petrie dish,(peter Trei) for these reasons,I urge others not to either.Thanks jya.(1 architect we can rely on.) The Govt seems to be concerned about losing its monopoly on disinfo,they wheeled out the big guns to hose down 'conspiracy theories' about 9-11.They must really think we're getting out of control! I KNOW the SS thinks we are. Uncle Fester seems reasonably Kosher,not like Kurt Saxon,Tim May.Disinfo's shelf life keeps getting shorter,A.
Re: CDR: RE: mil disinfo on cryptome (and sec clearance games)
Note that you also [explicitly] waive your search and siezure rights (at least this was the case the last time I looked at the forms for TS) - not a nice thing :-( On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote: Another reason: once you get a clearance, you can't speak freely. The latest _Tech Review_ interviews an MIT Prof Postol, who has been pointing out the lies behind Raytheon's Patriot missile and the anti-ballistic missile sham. Reportedly, some friendly DoD folks came to him and asked him to read a classified report that would put some of his technical worries at ease. Postol refused, knowing that this is a scheme used to silence folks --having been exposed to classified info, you have to watch what you say. If you figure it out from open data + general science, you can speak your mind. (BTW The basic deception is, if our gizmo can't discriminate this kind of decoy, well, don't use that kind of decoy in the tests..) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
RE: mil disinfo on cryptome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eugene wrote: I have not followed this thread closely, So why bother to chime in with your two cents before spending the five minutes it would take to learn what's been going on? but could clueless posters please shut up, for a change? Instead of talking at length about topics they know nothing about? Sure. As long as you're referring to people who scream disinformation when they can't reconcile a badly-worded paragraph with equations they looked up in a chemistry book, I agree. I'm not an expert on this, Then why aren't you following your own advice? If anyone is interested in learning more about CW, a good intro: Chemical Warfare Agents: an overview of chemicals defined as chemical weapons http://www.opcw.org/chemhaz/cwagents.htm. Biological agents: USAMRIID's MEDICAL MANAGEMENT OF BIOLOGICAL CASUALTIES HANDBOOK http://www.usamriid.army.mil/education/bluebook.html RAND pdfs: Overview of Chemical and Biological Warfare http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1018.5/MR1018.5.chap2.html from: 2000 MR-1018/5 A Review of the Scientific Literature as It Pertains to Gulf War Illnesses. Vol. 5, Chemical and Biological Warfare Agents http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1018.5/index.html 1998 DB-189/1 Air Force Operations in a Chemical and Biological Environment. http://www.rand.org/publications/DB/DB189.1/DB189.1.pdf/ 2001 CT-183 Combating Terrorism: Assessing the Threat of Biological Terrorism. http://www.rand.org/publications/CT/CT183/ 2001 CT-186 Anthrax Attacks, Biological Terrorism and Preventive Responses. http://www.rand.org/publications/CT/CT186/ Detailed reference works you can dig up yourself. But hey, if you prefer to stick to your chemistry 101 books and advice from Uncle Fester, that's perfectly fine by me. Just watch out throwing the word disinformation around, that's all. ~~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPK96Ofg5Tuca7bfvEQKv9wCgkRJh/EtSTyECcvnhkoisTkpEtz4An1jg 5Eu6iUE9CLJuLAXgxTGDxMzY =Sot5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: mil disinfo on cryptome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fiero wrote: Question for Faustine: Is what is, right? Or is it man-made and can be changed by men? Faustine may want to rethink this. Social Darwinism does not square with the Thomas Paine quote. There's a reason I contrasted the American conception of ideal justice with real justice: the latter has absolutely nothing to do with right or wrong, it just is. Read some Nietzsche. As for the rest, I'm a libertarian, not an anarchist: see also http://www.lp.org. ~~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPK3Jmfg5Tuca7bfvEQL8XACfQrEmti+LST9q0vOIOnOTjRA1qVAAn3Ox LkRCUcXnizNe4D0w9vEX1xUS =MASh -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: mil disinfo on cryptome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 09:15 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: And as long as you don't recommend that John call out the Snackycake Posse on the poor schmoe who sent him the manual thinking he was trying to help, I honestly couldn't care less. I don't think anyone has accused JY of intentional disinfo; he is largely a librarian--a very valuable one with enormous cajones-- not the author of the docs in question. Right, sure. Nor did anyone speak against the donor of said document. Well, given how hot he was last month about the idea of someone who seemed to be deliberately feeding him a line of disinformation, I just thought it was important not to throw an accusation like that around which reflects badly on the manual donor, especially when there's a fairly good explanation for the screw-up at hand. I have a hunch the DoD would like nothing better than to see leakees go totally apeshit on leakers as disinformation spreaders. Do their dirty work, save them the trouble: sounds perfectly in line with Rumsfeld's doctrinal emphasis on deterrence by denial to me. Google this phrase with information warfare and you can find some pretty interesting papers online. What we did find worth remarking on is the lethal sloppiness in a doc written by the largest manufacturer-of-, deployer-of-, and trainer-about- explosives in the world. Absolutely, these are often erroneous and badly written. Yes, you have every right to expect to see disinformation in them. But in this case, there's nothing lethal about adding sodium cyanide to a urea nitrate bomb-- and in fact would likely boost the lethality by at least an order of magnitude, maybe more. It's not as if this involved giving a precise formula or anything, just some hack content to put out a sloppy generality. Unfortunately, nothing new. ~~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPK3Gnvg5Tuca7bfvEQJTXACgs1xBE3CDgN/QgrFe/DKTg6xhyqMAn2di P5Hyd/q5Am7+cOCeGkEjvzL5 =5E7D -END PGP SIGNATURE-
mil disinfo on cryptome
From http://afsf.lackland.af.mil/Organization/AFSFC/SFP/AF%20Pubs/VEHICLE%20BOMB%20MITIGATION%20GUIDE.PDF referenced on cryptome: Another fertilizer-based explosive used by terrorists is Urea Nitrate (its components are urea, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and sodium cyanide). As is well known, and used in execution chambers, mixing a cyanide salt with an acid releases HCN, a lethal blood gas. Nitration of various materials (e.g., glyercin, etc.) does not require cyanides, but only strong concentrations of H2SO4 and HNO3. This is anarchists-cookbook-style disinfo.
