Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 03:46:02AM -0400, Robert Isaac wrote: > > That doesn't seem relevant to whether 32 or 64bit works with flash. > > That's just a problem with the flash plugin in general. > > Not really, Debian's security support for flash is often lacking. > If users are lucky there will be a backport available, if not > then they are on their own. > > > Same package and version exists in stable. > > Will that be the case in 6 months time? Of course not. No, of course not. But that's a general problem with Linux, not a specific to 64-bit. I think we're all looking forward to the gradual demise of Flash in favour of something that's actually a standard. Or at least to something where the client implementations keep up with the servers. Because that's one of the problems with Flash -- that people with servers unnecessarily rush to update to the latest version, leaving the Linux clients in the dist. -- hendrik k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110326141046.ga21...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
> That doesn't seem relevant to whether 32 or 64bit works with flash. > That's just a problem with the flash plugin in general. Not really, Debian's security support for flash is often lacking. If users are lucky there will be a backport available, if not then they are on their own. > Same package and version exists in stable. Will that be the case in 6 months time? Of course not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=n89upq0orcwdjcd7oukhgl_nh8_coltvbp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 03:48:26PM -0400, Robert Isaac wrote: > For Stable? Historically it's never updated so as to _not_ be vulnerable > when Adobe screws up. Do you really want to put someone's spouse through > the forced death march that is Sid just for a secure flash plugin? > > That may be grounds for divorce in some countries. That doesn't seem relevant to whether 32 or 64bit works with flash. That's just a problem with the flash plugin in general. Same package and version exists in stable. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110324202323.gu...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Lennart Sorensen < lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 05:10:52PM -0400, Robert Isaac wrote: > > The current stable flash plugin is 32-bit only which leaves you using > either > > nsplugin-wrapper or a 32-bit browser. > > > > There is a 64-bit beta that was released last year that works fine but no > > one will package it for the usual reasons. > > What is wrong with http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree ? > Works for me (as well as flash ever works that is). > For Stable? Historically it's never updated so as to _not_ be vulnerable when Adobe screws up. Do you really want to put someone's spouse through the forced death march that is Sid just for a secure flash plugin? That may be grounds for divorce in some countries.
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
Hendrik, Don't worry about it. Been using amd64 for a few years and had really no problems user wise. I did install ia32 libs in addition to the normal 64 bit libs and it has caused no probs. Had used Lenny for a few years, then the new version came out, Squeeze and since back when I had been using 32 bit, before I moved to 64 because of a mtbd change, I had been with testing all the time w. no real problems, I went this time, jumped squeeze and am using wheezy 64 bit. And am having no real user problems except as everyone has mentioned, linux does have some difficulty getting the most current video codecs and drivers. Hey, I was on Veoh the other day and they want you to download an .exe file, M$ only I guess. Oh well. Yes there are some videos I can't see but for most things a normal user would use it's fine. HTH's Cheers, Whit On 03/22/2011 02:14 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:03:04AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0600 Jaime Ochoa Malagón said: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Hendrik Boomwrote: Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? Any other likely end-user problems? I think you could use it for an end user... Really few problems right now just try... (text reformatted to bring reply below) I have been using the 64-bit port since March 2006. Flash was not available at the time. I must point out that I am a user who enjoys the benefits that Debian brings and am thus prepared to put up with a few cons. Flash stopped being a problem at least two years ago - I could be wrong there, it may be even longer than that. I have no reason to regret my choice of using the 64-bit port. And, I may add, I am a non-technical user. Thanks. I'm a technical user myself, so it's essential I get advice from a non-technical user before I subject my wife to it. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d8a1182.6060...@comcast.net
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
64 bit is stable for ages.I use it exclusively and I have no real problems with it. If you have 3+ gb ram, go for it. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Hendrik Boom" Date: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 20:14 Subject: 32 or 64 bits for the end user. To: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:03:04AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0600 Jaime Ochoa Malagón said: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. > > > > > > I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been > > > running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian > > > for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: > > > > > > Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The > > > machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is > > > likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, > > > but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? > > > > > > Any other likely end-user problems? > > > > > > I think you could use it for an end user... > > > > Really few problems right now just try... > > (text reformatted to bring reply below) > > I have been using the 64-bit port since March 2006. Flash was not > available at the time. I must point out that I am a user who enjoys the > benefits that Debian brings and am thus prepared to put up with a few > cons. > > Flash stopped being a problem at least two years ago - I could be wrong > there, it may be even longer than that. I have no reason to regret my > choice of using the 64-bit port. And, I may add, I am a non-technical user. Thanks. I'm a technical user myself, so it's essential I get advice from a non-technical user before I subject my wife to it. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110322181450.ga13...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 05:10:52PM -0400, Robert Isaac wrote: > The current stable flash plugin is 32-bit only which leaves you using either > nsplugin-wrapper or a 32-bit browser. > > There is a 64-bit beta that was released last year that works fine but no > one will package it for the usual reasons. What is wrong with http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree ? Works for me (as well as flash ever works that is). -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110322211632.gs...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 05:10:52PM -0400, Robert Isaac wrote: > The current stable flash plugin is 32-bit only which leaves you using either > nsplugin-wrapper or a 32-bit browser. > > There is a 64-bit beta that was released last year that works fine but no > one will package it for the usual reasons. The current flashplugin-nonfree package uses the 64-bit plugin, not the 32-bit one with nspluginwrapper. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Flash stopped being a problem at least two years ago - I could be wrong > there, it may be even longer than that. I have no reason to regret my > choice of using the 64-bit port. And, I may add, I am a non-technical user. Thanks. I'm a technical user myself, so it's essential I get advice > from a non-technical user before I subject my wife to it. > The current stable flash plugin is 32-bit only which leaves you using either nsplugin-wrapper or a 32-bit browser. There is a 64-bit beta that was released last year that works fine but no one will package it for the usual reasons.
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:03:04AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0600 Jaime Ochoa Malagón said: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. > > > > > > I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been > > > running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian > > > for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: > > > > > > Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The > > > machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is > > > likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, > > > but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? > > > > > > Any other likely end-user problems? > > > > > > I think you could use it for an end user... > > > > Really few problems right now just try... > > (text reformatted to bring reply below) > > I have been using the 64-bit port since March 2006. Flash was not > available at the time. I must point out that I am a user who enjoys the > benefits that Debian brings and am thus prepared to put up with a few > cons. > > Flash stopped being a problem at least two years ago - I could be wrong > there, it may be even longer than that. I have no reason to regret my > choice of using the 64-bit port. And, I may add, I am a non-technical user. Thanks. I'm a technical user myself, so it's essential I get advice from a non-technical user before I subject my wife to it. -- hendrik. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110322181450.ga13...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
I've been using nothing but 64-bit Debian for the last few years. I love it. Server, workstation. brian m. carlson 23:12 Mon 21 Mar On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:35:46PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? I can't speak to the nVidia graphics, since I bought Intel on this motherboard (and two months later, AMD bought ATI and started releasing specs), but 64-bit Flash works very well here. I've used Iceweasel and now use Chromium, and they both seem to work fine. I haven't encountered any other problems on amd64/sid. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 -- Since this database is not used for profit, and since entire works are not published, it falls under fair use, as we understand it. However, if any half-assed idiot decides to make a profit off of this, they will need to double check it all... -- Notes included with the default fortunes database -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110322101137.ga16...@mlsrock.launchmodem.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:35:46PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The > machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is > likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, > but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? I can't speak to the nVidia graphics, since I bought Intel on this motherboard (and two months later, AMD bought ATI and started releasing specs), but 64-bit Flash works very well here. I've used Iceweasel and now use Chromium, and they both seem to work fine. I haven't encountered any other problems on amd64/sid. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 04:55:34PM -0600 Jaime Ochoa Malagón said: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. > > > > I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been > > running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian > > for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: > > > > Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The > > machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is > > likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, > > but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? > > > > Any other likely end-user problems? > > > I think you could use it for an end user... > > Really few problems right now just try... (text reformatted to bring reply below) I have been using the 64-bit port since March 2006. Flash was not available at the time. I must point out that I am a user who enjoys the benefits that Debian brings and am thus prepared to put up with a few cons. Flash stopped being a problem at least two years ago - I could be wrong there, it may be even longer than that. I have no reason to regret my choice of using the 64-bit port. And, I may add, I am a non-technical user. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com The chief virtue that language can have is clearness, and nothing detracts from it so much as the use of unfamiliar words. My PGP key: http://www.gnubies.com/encryption/sign.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110321230304.GA4397@imap://www.gnubies.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
I think you could use it for an end user... Really few problems right now just try... On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. > > I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been > running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian > for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: > > Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The > machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is > likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, > but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? > > Any other likely end-user problems? > > -- hendrik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/im7r8i$tvd$1...@dough.gmane.org > > -- Perhaps the depth of love can be calibrated by the number of different selves that are actively involved in a given relationship. Carl Sagan (Contact) Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds-and fanatics. It is, for scientific folk, an unattainable ideal. Cassius J. Keyser Eres un barco en el mar de emociones donde la mente y el corazón son el timón y el motor de tu vida; la muerte es tu destino, el amor tu capitán y deseo con toda el alma que tu viaje sea emocionante, lleno de aventuras y que dure muchos años. Montaño Jaime Ochoa Malagón Arquitecto de Soluciones Cel: +52 (55) 1021 0774
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On 03/21/2011 11:31 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:53:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Been using 64-bit Sid for about 2 years. 64-bit Iceweasel 3.5.17 (in Sid) works great with Flash 10.2r152, but v4.0 (b12 thru rc2 from Experimental, confirmed w/ Mozilla FF) has some "inconsistencies" with Flash. The 32 bit IW and FF 4.0 beta and rc versions have no such problems. Of course, they happen to be on (some) sites that I want to use... So, when I reinstall Sid in the next few days (boot device is old and spitting out SMART errors), I'm going to install 32-bits. Once stabilized with the nvidia drivers, I'll probably try a 64 bit kernel to get a larger memory space for my processes (and to be cool). Thanks. This seems to be just the kind of intormation I need. The system will be running stable, or testing, Then you probably won't have these problems. so the question becomes: will these iceweasel vs flash problems impede iceweasel's transition to testing. My guess is that maybe it won't. But it looks like 32-bit for normal use is my way to go; sticking 64-bit as a dual-boot might help test when it's really ready. Honestly, for my wife/kids' PC, I installed Ubuntu 10.04LTS with a few PPAs. This way, they get stable libraries but keep current with important user apps like FF, vlc, etc. Since I prefer booting into the CLI and use startx, I stick w/ Sid. Is multiarch on the hirizon yet? The Far Horizon... :( -- I prefer banana-flavored energy bars made from tofu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d8783e8.4020...@cox.net
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:53:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Been using 64-bit Sid for about 2 years. > > 64-bit Iceweasel 3.5.17 (in Sid) works great with Flash 10.2r152, but > v4.0 (b12 thru rc2 from Experimental, confirmed w/ Mozilla FF) has some > "inconsistencies" with Flash. The 32 bit IW and FF 4.0 beta and rc > versions have no such problems. > > Of course, they happen to be on (some) sites that I want to use... > > So, when I reinstall Sid in the next few days (boot device is old and > spitting out SMART errors), I'm going to install 32-bits. Once > stabilized with the nvidia drivers, I'll probably try a 64 bit kernel to > get a larger memory space for my processes (and to be cool). Thanks. This seems to be just the kind of intormation I need. The system will be running stable, or testing, so the question becomes: will these iceweasel vs flash problems impede iceweasel's transition to testing. My guess is that maybe it won't. But it looks like 32-bit for normal use is my way to go; sticking 64-bit as a dual-boot might help test when it's really ready. Is multiarch on the hirizon yet? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110321163144.ga24...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.
On 03/21/2011 10:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question. I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years. Now I get to install debian for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine. 64-bit mode is tempting, but: Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian? The machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe). My user is likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux, but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode? Any other likely end-user problems? Been using 64-bit Sid for about 2 years. 64-bit Iceweasel 3.5.17 (in Sid) works great with Flash 10.2r152, but v4.0 (b12 thru rc2 from Experimental, confirmed w/ Mozilla FF) has some "inconsistencies" with Flash. The 32 bit IW and FF 4.0 beta and rc versions have no such problems. Of course, they happen to be on (some) sites that I want to use... So, when I reinstall Sid in the next few days (boot device is old and spitting out SMART errors), I'm going to install 32-bits. Once stabilized with the nvidia drivers, I'll probably try a 64 bit kernel to get a larger memory space for my processes (and to be cool). https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638029 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616061 http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-6302 -- I prefer banana-flavored energy bars made from tofu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d87745c.9040...@cox.net
