Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Steffen Möller]

On 18.08.17 09:33, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 14768 March 1977, Philip Hands wrote:
>>> ...Well, in keeping with the Toy Story theme, FTW Masters is
>>> worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
>>> time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
>>> "World".  Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
>>> power of The Claw, as it is known internally.
>> I like "The Claw" -- responsible for picking up NEW packages, and giving
>> them to the kids, or dropping them.
> Don't you all have something more important to do?
>
Something more important than to point out that besides deciding on
a new name we may also waste more time on deciding how it shall be
pronounced?

In analogy to once upon a time "netscape" being pronounced "mozilla"
we could leave the name "ftp-team" and pronounce it "pinocchio".

No, I am not serious. Thank you for all your good work!

Steffen

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Chris Lamb]

Hi Andreas,

> What is IMHO really true is that all answers in the thread while being
> mostly funny and entertaining have not revealed any volunteer for the
> team that was rather asking for man power than for name suggestions.

I share your frustration. However, you will be heartened to learn that
the FTP team have received a significant number of requests off-list. :)


Best wishes,

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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 07:16:38PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> Several mails in this thread seem to assume that the main or even the only
> job of the ftp team is processing the NEW queue. This is not true.

What is IMHO really true is that all answers in the thread while being
mostly funny and entertaining have not revealed any volunteer for the
team that was rather asking for man power than for name suggestions.

Kind regards

Andreas,

-- 
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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Martin Steigerwald]

Luca Filipozzi - 18.08.17, 13:57:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 03:54:55PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > Abou Al Montacir  writes:
> > > On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 08:24 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> > >> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP
> > >> > team
> > >> > 
> > >> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> > >> 
> > >> Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a
> > >> theme song.> > 
> > > Why Archive, maybe Queue is more accurate (Q-Team), isn't it?
> > 
> > An invitation to join the Q Continuum might be more attractive.
> 
> Don't they _assimilate_ packages into the archive...

Weren´t that the Borgs?

All your software belongs to everyone.

And can this thread get any more ridiculous? :)


Anyway… regarding any rename… I´d say the current FTP team… shall have a word 
ins this… and when they are happy with their current name… this thread is just 
one of the more funny episodes on debian-devel.

Thanks,
-- 
Martin

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 03:47:56PM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
> Why Archive, maybe Queue is more accurate (Q-Team), isn't it?
Several mails in this thread seem to assume that the main or even the only
job of the ftp team is processing the NEW queue. This is not true.

-- 
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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Luca Filipozzi]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 03:54:55PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Abou Al Montacir  writes:
> > On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 08:24 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> >> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> >> > 
> >> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> >> 
> >> Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a theme 
> >> song.
> > Why Archive, maybe Queue is more accurate (Q-Team), isn't it?
> 
> An invitation to join the Q Continuum might be more attractive.

Don't they _assimilate_ packages into the archive...

-- 
Luca Filipozzi

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Bjørn Mork]

Abou Al Montacir  writes:
> On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 08:24 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> ...
>> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
>> > 
>> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
>> 
>> Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a theme 
>> song.
> Why Archive, maybe Queue is more accurate (Q-Team), isn't it?

An invitation to join the Q Continuum might be more attractive.



Bjørn

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Abou Al Montacir]

Hi,
On Fri, 2017-08-18 at 08:24 -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
...
> > > if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> > 
> > > help, read the last paragraph please.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> > 
> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> > 
> 
> Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a theme song.
Why Archive, maybe Queue is more accurate (Q-Team), isn't it?
-- 
Cheers,
Abou Al Montacir

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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <
j...@debian.org> wrote:

> On 17/08/2017 20:11, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> > an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> > if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> > help, read the last paragraph please.
>
> If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
>

Archive Team. Or the A-Team for short. The only Debian team with a theme
song.

-m

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 17.08.2017, 23:02 +0200 schrieb Jonathan Carter 
(highvoltage):
> On 17/08/2017 20:11, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> > an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> > if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> > help, read the last paragraph please.
> 
> If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> to something that doesn't include "FTP"?

I don’t see a need to rename our beloved “Filtering The Packages Team”.

SCNR,
Joachim

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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 14768 March 1977, Philip Hands wrote:
>> ...Well, in keeping with the Toy Story theme, FTW Masters is
>> worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
>> time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
>> "World".  Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
>> power of The Claw, as it is known internally.
> I like "The Claw" -- responsible for picking up NEW packages, and giving
> them to the kids, or dropping them.

Don't you all have something more important to do?

-- 
bye, Joerg

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Bastien Roucaries]

Le 17 août 2017 20:11:01 GMT+02:00, Joerg Jaspert  a écrit :
>Hello Debian world,
>
>it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here
>is
>an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
>if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
>help, read the last paragraph please.
>
>
>Ever felt compelled to do the hard groundwork? Ever wanted to help at a
>nicely central place inside Debian? Or just want to write some Python
>code and still look for a good place to stick it in?
>
>Here we are. Come join the Nav^Wteam. Just sign over there to the
>right,
>or even easier, mail us. We won't bite you, thats for sure. At least
>not
>right away. :)
>
>The criteria are the same as always: You need to be a DD (except for
>coding only, though it helps to know the usual flow of a package) and
>you need to be able to deal with the existing team members.
>
>An occasional flame should also not disturb you, if you are working in
>the NEW queue you will stand between the people uploading and the
>packages entering the archive, rejecting something is not always liked
>much. (But you often get positive replies and thanks, to keep your
>spirits up :) ).
>
>And - if you get headaches when reading legal texts - we all do. But it
>is needed and things like NEW are mainly about that, the ftpteam is
>*the* one place to decide if something is ok for Debian to distribute
>or
>not, and you will have to take this decision. (Yes, there is more, but
>this is the main point you are going to check).
>
>Obviously the other points we made in earlier mails, like [1], still
>apply too.
>
>
>
>Another good way helping the ftpteam is - by not joining us! Yvan eht
>Nioj! (Or for people not watching Simpsons: Join the Navy!)
>Err, no, of course not, but: Join the QA team!
>There is a lot of work commonly associated to the QA group but not many
>people doing it. You could help out there, which in turn will help us
>again.

On the qa front, with m'y lintian hat I could help you to do autoreject (thus 
decreasing  tour work) but i need bug report on your side. Or even a mail. We 
want to reject some license some stuff will help.

Bastien


>
>
>[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg3.html
>
>Stay tuned for more news coming from the team soon.

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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Philip Hands]

Nicholas D Steeves  writes:

> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04:26AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> > On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> > >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
>> > >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
>> > >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
>> > >> help, read the last paragraph please.
>> > > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
>> > > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
>> > 
>> > GopherTeam?
>> 
>> archive team, really.  But where's the fun in that?
>> 
>> funmasters, maybe?  it is only a two-letter change...
>
> I would like to propose a one letter change FTP -> FTW
>
> For The Win Team is also For The World ;-)
>
> Unfortunately For the World Masters seems...erm...slightly...?
>
> ...Well, in keeping with the Toy Story theme, FTW Masters is
> worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
> time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
> "World".  Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
> power of The Claw, as it is known internally.

I like "The Claw" -- responsible for picking up NEW packages, and giving
them to the kids, or dropping them.

Cheers, Phil.
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|-|  http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/
|(|  Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34,   21075 Hamburg,GERMANY


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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Scott Kitterman]

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:29:23 PM Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04:26AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > > >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here
> > > >> is
> > > >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that
> > > >> is,
> > > >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> > > >> help, read the last paragraph please.
> > > > 
> > > > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP
> > > > team
> > > > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> > > 
> > > GopherTeam?
> > 
> > archive team, really.  But where's the fun in that?
> > 
> > funmasters, maybe?  it is only a two-letter change...
> 
> I would like to propose a one letter change FTP -> FTW
> 
> For The Win Team is also For The World ;-)
> 
> Unfortunately For the World Masters seems...erm...slightly...?
> 
> ...Well, in keeping with the Toy Story theme, FTW Masters is
> worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
> time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
> "World".  Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
> power of The Claw, as it is known internally.
> 
> Yes? ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicholas

Needs another year or five of bikeshedding before a decision can be reached in 
proper Debian fashion.  Being a traditionalist, I like the current name.

Scott K


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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Nicholas D Steeves]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04:26AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> > >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> > >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> > >> help, read the last paragraph please.
> > > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> > > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> > 
> > GopherTeam?
> 
> archive team, really.  But where's the fun in that?
> 
> funmasters, maybe?  it is only a two-letter change...

I would like to propose a one letter change FTP -> FTW

For The Win Team is also For The World ;-)

Unfortunately For the World Masters seems...erm...slightly...?

...Well, in keeping with the Toy Story theme, FTW Masters is
worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
"World".  Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
power of The Claw, as it is known internally.

Yes? ;-)

Cheers,
Nicholas


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Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> >> help, read the last paragraph please.
> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> 
> GopherTeam?

archive team, really.  But where's the fun in that?

funmasters, maybe?  it is only a two-letter change...

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Peter Silva]

PNQteam naturally leads to Pinocchio ...  which isn't in Toy Story,
but you can't have everything.


On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Geert Stappers  wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:22:03PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
>> >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
>> >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
>> >> help, read the last paragraph please.
>> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
>> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
>>
>> GopherTeam?
>
> PNQteam
>
> Processing New Queue   Team.  Or another name for a team that does good work
> which has _NOTHING_ "File Transfer Protocol" related.
>
> We already did absolete ftp://
>
> Doing s/ftp.debian.org/archive.debian.org/  is very 2017.
> I mean ftp.debian.org is very 1995, okay 2005
>
>
> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
> --
> Leven en laten leven
>

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Geert Stappers]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:22:03PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> >> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> >> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> >> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> >> help, read the last paragraph please.
> > If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> > to something that doesn't include "FTP"?
> 
> GopherTeam?

PNQteam

Processing New Queue   Team.  Or another name for a team that does good work
which has _NOTHING_ "File Transfer Protocol" related.

We already did absolete ftp://

Doing s/ftp.debian.org/archive.debian.org/  is very 2017.
I mean ftp.debian.org is very 1995, okay 2005


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 14767 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
>> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
>> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
>> help, read the last paragraph please.
> If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
> to something that doesn't include "FTP"?

GopherTeam?

-- 
bye, Joerg

Re: Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)]

On 17/08/2017 20:11, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
> an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
> if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
> help, read the last paragraph please.

If someone hypothetically joins, are they allowed to rename the FTP team
to something that doesn't include "FTP"?

-Jonathan

Call for volunteers: FTP Team

[Joerg Jaspert]

Hello Debian world,

it has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers, so here is
an update: Yeah, we still need people, and we want you. Well, that is,
if you are a Debian Developer, for this. If you are not and want to
help, read the last paragraph please.


Ever felt compelled to do the hard groundwork? Ever wanted to help at a
nicely central place inside Debian? Or just want to write some Python
code and still look for a good place to stick it in?

Here we are. Come join the Nav^Wteam. Just sign over there to the right,
or even easier, mail us. We won't bite you, thats for sure. At least not
right away. :)

The criteria are the same as always: You need to be a DD (except for
coding only, though it helps to know the usual flow of a package) and
you need to be able to deal with the existing team members.

An occasional flame should also not disturb you, if you are working in
the NEW queue you will stand between the people uploading and the
packages entering the archive, rejecting something is not always liked
much. (But you often get positive replies and thanks, to keep your
spirits up :) ).

And - if you get headaches when reading legal texts - we all do. But it
is needed and things like NEW are mainly about that, the ftpteam is
*the* one place to decide if something is ok for Debian to distribute or
not, and you will have to take this decision. (Yes, there is more, but
this is the main point you are going to check).

Obviously the other points we made in earlier mails, like [1], still
apply too.



Another good way helping the ftpteam is - by not joining us! Yvan eht
Nioj! (Or for people not watching Simpsons: Join the Navy!)
Err, no, of course not, but: Join the QA team!
There is a lot of work commonly associated to the QA group but not many
people doing it. You could help out there, which in turn will help us
again.


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/03/msg3.html

Stay tuned for more news coming from the team soon.

-- 
bye, Joerg
You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is: never try.