Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
This sounds like a problem I have had to deal with. We are using the VIA CL 1 in a firewall/filter application for local schools. The two LAN ports actually use different controller chips. One is a VT6105 and the other a VT6102 (crazy but true!) The latest version of the via-rhine driver (in kernel 2.4.23 onwards, I believe) works properly with both ports. The standard bf24 version does not. It is possible to use the driver code that comes with the motherboard with standard 2.4.18 kernel source - it produces a driver called rhinefet which works. I decided it was simpler to move to the newer kernel with a fully supported driver, and I now have a fully working version based on the 2.4.24 kernel. In the process I have tried to optimise the kernel setup. We did not have the option of bypassing the on-board ports as we are producing ~150 boxes in a 1U rackmount case. HTH -- Giles Nunn - ISP Officer Carms ICT Development Centre +44 1267 228277 On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 00:51, Chris Evans wrote: > Semi-serious request: I really don't think I can afford 350 pounds > for an Intel card with a hugely impressive but for me gratuitous > Gigabit of bandwidth when all I need is three ethernet ports on a > firewall on a set up I run for charities (it's a sort of ISP but only > for opt-in lists!) at a net loss to myself. My stupid fault but any > help or advice desperately needed as my old firewall is making very > nasty noises. > > Long, tedious story that has gone to debian-users and netdrivers in > little hope below but thanks for reading this far anyway!! > > Chris > > Long story: > > I hope I can get some help on this list as I've dug myself in a hole > I think. > > I run debian stable (3.0r2) for a small home set up on ADSL that > handles Email (closed opt in!) for some charities. I've used old > hardware for a firewall and a server but the firewall is dying and I > replaced it with a lovely, small, near silent box with a VIA EPIA > mini-ITX motherboard which has two LAN ports controlled by a VT6105 > on board controller. If I stick a tried and tested realtek 8139 > clone PCI card in I can have the three ports I want > > Having always used old hardware and never hit compatibility problems > I didn't realise I was asking for trouble. The 2.4.18 kernel is the > latest in the Debian stable distro and I want to stick with Debian > 'cos I know and trust it, and stable 'cos of the security updates, > particularly important as this is firewall. Trouble is that I think > the driver I need is a via-rhine one but the one that comes with that > Debian kernel won't install (the rtl one does fine!). I've tried > pulling the driver (rhinefet) off the VIA motherboard site and the > via-rhine off the scyld site but I'm hopelessly out of my depth now > as there are clearly old and vexatious issues about the ways that > different distros store the headers and source, e.g. both VIA and > scyld's Makefiles and source want a modversions.h file that clearly > doesn't exist in Debian .. I've tried to work round that but modprobe > on the via-rhine.o I finally produced gives all sorts of unresolved > symbol complaints and I know I'm out of my league here. > > Can anyone help? The only alternative I can see looming is to spend > about a third as much as I paid for the entire machine on a totally > unnecessarily fast quadport Intel card (I need three ports and only > have one free PCI slot as the machine is so small). > > Sod, sod, sod: I'll take hardware compatibility more seriously in > future won't I?! > > TIA, > > Chris > > PSYCTC: Psychotherapy, Psychology, Psychiatry, Counselling >and Therapeutic Communities; practice, research, >teaching and consultancy. > Chris Evans & Jo-anne Carlyle > http://psyctc.org/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
As well as the Matrox and the D-Link 570, does anyone have any 'favourite' quad port NIC's that work well under Debian (stable or testing)? We've had the same problem with the D-Link 580 dying under high loads on more than one server... -kieren On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:40:08AM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -, Chris Evans wrote: > > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! > > *Don't* buy a D-Link 580. I've tried these in several different machines > and they have a tendancy to die under high loads or sometimes even just > with low loads. I gave up and went for the Intel cards, which are > expensive but work well. The D-Link 570 is a different chipset than the > 580, so it might well be ok - I've never used one. > > J. > > -- > ] http://www.earth.li/~noodles/ [] Eat a prune. Start a movement. [ > ] PGP/GPG Key @ the.earth.li [] [ > ] via keyserver, web or email. [] [ > ] RSA: 4DC4E7FD / DSA: 5B430367 [] [ > >
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
This sounds like a problem I have had to deal with. We are using the VIA CL 1 in a firewall/filter application for local schools. The two LAN ports actually use different controller chips. One is a VT6105 and the other a VT6102 (crazy but true!) The latest version of the via-rhine driver (in kernel 2.4.23 onwards, I believe) works properly with both ports. The standard bf24 version does not. It is possible to use the driver code that comes with the motherboard with standard 2.4.18 kernel source - it produces a driver called rhinefet which works. I decided it was simpler to move to the newer kernel with a fully supported driver, and I now have a fully working version based on the 2.4.24 kernel. In the process I have tried to optimise the kernel setup. We did not have the option of bypassing the on-board ports as we are producing ~150 boxes in a 1U rackmount case. HTH -- Giles Nunn - ISP Officer Carms ICT Development Centre +44 1267 228277 On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 00:51, Chris Evans wrote: > Semi-serious request: I really don't think I can afford 350 pounds > for an Intel card with a hugely impressive but for me gratuitous > Gigabit of bandwidth when all I need is three ethernet ports on a > firewall on a set up I run for charities (it's a sort of ISP but only > for opt-in lists!) at a net loss to myself. My stupid fault but any > help or advice desperately needed as my old firewall is making very > nasty noises. > > Long, tedious story that has gone to debian-users and netdrivers in > little hope below but thanks for reading this far anyway!! > > Chris > > Long story: > > I hope I can get some help on this list as I've dug myself in a hole > I think. > > I run debian stable (3.0r2) for a small home set up on ADSL that > handles Email (closed opt in!) for some charities. I've used old > hardware for a firewall and a server but the firewall is dying and I > replaced it with a lovely, small, near silent box with a VIA EPIA > mini-ITX motherboard which has two LAN ports controlled by a VT6105 > on board controller. If I stick a tried and tested realtek 8139 > clone PCI card in I can have the three ports I want > > Having always used old hardware and never hit compatibility problems > I didn't realise I was asking for trouble. The 2.4.18 kernel is the > latest in the Debian stable distro and I want to stick with Debian > 'cos I know and trust it, and stable 'cos of the security updates, > particularly important as this is firewall. Trouble is that I think > the driver I need is a via-rhine one but the one that comes with that > Debian kernel won't install (the rtl one does fine!). I've tried > pulling the driver (rhinefet) off the VIA motherboard site and the > via-rhine off the scyld site but I'm hopelessly out of my depth now > as there are clearly old and vexatious issues about the ways that > different distros store the headers and source, e.g. both VIA and > scyld's Makefiles and source want a modversions.h file that clearly > doesn't exist in Debian .. I've tried to work round that but modprobe > on the via-rhine.o I finally produced gives all sorts of unresolved > symbol complaints and I know I'm out of my league here. > > Can anyone help? The only alternative I can see looming is to spend > about a third as much as I paid for the entire machine on a totally > unnecessarily fast quadport Intel card (I need three ports and only > have one free PCI slot as the machine is so small). > > Sod, sod, sod: I'll take hardware compatibility more seriously in > future won't I?! > > TIA, > > Chris > > PSYCTC: Psychotherapy, Psychology, Psychiatry, Counselling >and Therapeutic Communities; practice, research, >teaching and consultancy. > Chris Evans & Jo-anne Carlyle > http://psyctc.org/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -, Chris Evans wrote: > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > Hi, > Hi -- huge thanks for this Ardo. > > > A quick search on eBay reveals several Matrox NS-QNIC Quad-port 10/100 > > adapters for under $100. I'm using these at work and at home without > > any problem whatsoever. Also several D-Link DFE-570TX are up for > > sale. There's even a DFE-580TX for 45 pounds. > > I'm so wary now that I looked at the ebay offerings and realised that > I hadn't a clue which would be supported under Debian 3.0r2 (and I'm > wary of going to testing or compiling a higher kernel as there have > been a number of kernel upgrades on security fixes recently ...) > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! We both uses the 570 and the 580 here with debian stable. Allthough i had some troubles getting the driver in the stock kernel to work with 580 (i ended up downloading driver source from d-link italia and compile it against the kernel version i was running). The 570 is rock stable we are using it in gateways and firwalls all around our company and i have nothing bad to say about it. It uses the tulip driver in the kernel. -- Venlig hilsen/Kind regards Thomas Kirk ARKENA tlf/phone +4570233456 thomas(at)arkena(dot)com Http://www.arkena.com-- "Kill my boss? Do I dare live out the American dream?" -- Homer Simpson
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
As well as the Matrox and the D-Link 570, does anyone have any 'favourite' quad port NIC's that work well under Debian (stable or testing)? We've had the same problem with the D-Link 580 dying under high loads on more than one server... -kieren On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:40:08AM +, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -, Chris Evans wrote: > > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! > > *Don't* buy a D-Link 580. I've tried these in several different machines > and they have a tendancy to die under high loads or sometimes even just > with low loads. I gave up and went for the Intel cards, which are > expensive but work well. The D-Link 570 is a different chipset than the > 580, so it might well be ok - I've never used one. > > J. > > -- > ] http://www.earth.li/~noodles/ [] Eat a prune. Start a movement. [ > ] PGP/GPG Key @ the.earth.li [] [ > ] via keyserver, web or email. [] [ > ] RSA: 4DC4E7FD / DSA: 5B430367 [] [ > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -, Chris Evans wrote: > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > Hi, > Hi -- huge thanks for this Ardo. > > > A quick search on eBay reveals several Matrox NS-QNIC Quad-port 10/100 > > adapters for under $100. I'm using these at work and at home without > > any problem whatsoever. Also several D-Link DFE-570TX are up for > > sale. There's even a DFE-580TX for 45 pounds. > > I'm so wary now that I looked at the ebay offerings and realised that > I hadn't a clue which would be supported under Debian 3.0r2 (and I'm > wary of going to testing or compiling a higher kernel as there have > been a number of kernel upgrades on security fixes recently ...) > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! We both uses the 570 and the 580 here with debian stable. Allthough i had some troubles getting the driver in the stock kernel to work with 580 (i ended up downloading driver source from d-link italia and compile it against the kernel version i was running). The 570 is rock stable we are using it in gateways and firwalls all around our company and i have nothing bad to say about it. It uses the tulip driver in the kernel. -- Venlig hilsen/Kind regards Thomas Kirk ARKENA tlf/phone +4570233456 thomas(at)arkena(dot)com Http://www.arkena.com-- "Kill my boss? Do I dare live out the American dream?" -- Homer Simpson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On Saturday 28 February 2004 21:08, Chris Evans wrote: > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! The 570 is definitely supported in stable. It uses the tulip module and has worked for ages, IIRC it also can use the de4x5 module. AFAIK the 580 needs a fairly new kernel or at least patches. We only run it on Redhat boxes right now so perhaps I'm mistaken. On the redhat boxes we had to build our own driver sundance-new to get things working. The regular sundance modules in the newer kernels (at least from Redhat) see to work fine with the 580. We've had both 570s and 580s that turned out to be duds but as long as they work, they work well. In your circumstances I'd definitely try and get the 570 (I believe full model number is DFE-570TX). -- Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:04:43 +, Rory Irvine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the > > basic Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! > > Both are supported. However, I found that the 580 seems to suffer from > high packet loss in high-load situations where the 570 is unaffected, > and I've seen similar reports from others, too. > > This may simply be because the 580 is a newer card, and therefore > there hasn't been time to work out all of the bugs from the driver, so > maybe things are better in 2.6.x - still, if you have the choice, I'd > go for the 570. ..is this packet loss related to the tulip-needs-one-irq-per-wire-to- quit-whining "System Error occured (0)" bug? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
> Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! Both are supported. However, I found that the 580 seems to suffer from high packet loss in high-load situations where the 570 is unaffected, and I've seen similar reports from others, too. This may simply be because the 580 is a newer card, and therefore there hasn't been time to work out all of the bugs from the driver, so maybe things are better in 2.6.x - still, if you have the choice, I'd go for the 570. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:08:36AM -, Chris Evans wrote: > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! *Don't* buy a D-Link 580. I've tried these in several different machines and they have a tendancy to die under high loads or sometimes even just with low loads. I gave up and went for the Intel cards, which are expensive but work well. The D-Link 570 is a different chipset than the 580, so it might well be ok - I've never used one. J. -- ] http://www.earth.li/~noodles/ [] Eat a prune. Start a movement. [ ] PGP/GPG Key @ the.earth.li [] [ ] via keyserver, web or email. [] [ ] RSA: 4DC4E7FD / DSA: 5B430367 [] [ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
Chris Evans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > > > Hi, > Hi -- huge thanks for this Ardo. You're welcome. > > A quick search on eBay reveals several Matrox NS-QNIC Quad-port 10/100 > > adapters for under $100. I'm using these at work and at home without > > any problem whatsoever. Also several D-Link DFE-570TX are up for > > sale. There's even a DFE-580TX for 45 pounds. > > I'm so wary now that I looked at the ebay offerings and realised that > I hadn't a clue which would be supported under Debian 3.0r2 (and I'm > wary of going to testing or compiling a higher kernel as there have > been a number of kernel upgrades on security fixes recently ...) > > Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic > Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! Yep, these use the tulip module, and the Matrox uses the eepro100. You might want to enable the CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL option for the tulip; it sometimes has issues with high packet loads (but this option is only available in 2.4.x kernels). Thanks, Ardo -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://people.debian.org/~ardo GnuPG fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:35, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: > Hi, Hi -- huge thanks for this Ardo. > A quick search on eBay reveals several Matrox NS-QNIC Quad-port 10/100 > adapters for under $100. I'm using these at work and at home without > any problem whatsoever. Also several D-Link DFE-570TX are up for > sale. There's even a DFE-580TX for 45 pounds. I'm so wary now that I looked at the ebay offerings and realised that I hadn't a clue which would be supported under Debian 3.0r2 (and I'm wary of going to testing or compiling a higher kernel as there have been a number of kernel upgrades on security fixes recently ...) Do you know if these (D-link 570 or 580) are supported with the basic Debian stable?? If so, I'm off to place bids! Many thanks, Chris P.S. copying to the list for the record! PSYCTC: Psychotherapy, Psychology, Psychiatry, Counselling and Therapeutic Communities; practice, research, teaching and consultancy. Chris Evans & Jo-anne Carlyle http://psyctc.org/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anyone got a quad/tri port ethernet card for sale?!!
Hi, A quick search on eBay reveals several Matrox NS-QNIC Quad-port 10/100 adapters for under $100. I'm using these at work and at home without any problem whatsoever. Also several D-Link DFE-570TX are up for sale. There's even a DFE-580TX for 45 pounds. Thanks, Ardo Chris Evans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Semi-serious request: I really don't think I can afford 350 pounds > for an Intel card with a hugely impressive but for me gratuitous > Gigabit of bandwidth when all I need is three ethernet ports on a > firewall on a set up I run for charities (it's a sort of ISP but only > for opt-in lists!) at a net loss to myself. My stupid fault but any > help or advice desperately needed as my old firewall is making very > nasty noises. > > Long, tedious story that has gone to debian-users and netdrivers in > little hope below but thanks for reading this far anyway!! > > Chris > > Long story: > > I hope I can get some help on this list as I've dug myself in a hole > I think. > > I run debian stable (3.0r2) for a small home set up on ADSL that > handles Email (closed opt in!) for some charities. I've used old > hardware for a firewall and a server but the firewall is dying and I > replaced it with a lovely, small, near silent box with a VIA EPIA > mini-ITX motherboard which has two LAN ports controlled by a VT6105 > on board controller. If I stick a tried and tested realtek 8139 > clone PCI card in I can have the three ports I want > > Having always used old hardware and never hit compatibility problems > I didn't realise I was asking for trouble. The 2.4.18 kernel is the > latest in the Debian stable distro and I want to stick with Debian > 'cos I know and trust it, and stable 'cos of the security updates, > particularly important as this is firewall. Trouble is that I think > the driver I need is a via-rhine one but the one that comes with that > Debian kernel won't install (the rtl one does fine!). I've tried > pulling the driver (rhinefet) off the VIA motherboard site and the > via-rhine off the scyld site but I'm hopelessly out of my depth now > as there are clearly old and vexatious issues about the ways that > different distros store the headers and source, e.g. both VIA and > scyld's Makefiles and source want a modversions.h file that clearly > doesn't exist in Debian .. I've tried to work round that but modprobe > on the via-rhine.o I finally produced gives all sorts of unresolved > symbol complaints and I know I'm out of my league here. > > Can anyone help? The only alternative I can see looming is to spend > about a third as much as I paid for the entire machine on a totally > unnecessarily fast quadport Intel card (I need three ports and only > have one free PCI slot as the machine is so small). > > Sod, sod, sod: I'll take hardware compatibility more seriously in > future won't I?! > > TIA, > > Chris > > PSYCTC: Psychotherapy, Psychology, Psychiatry, Counselling >and Therapeutic Communities; practice, research, >teaching and consultancy. > Chris Evans & Jo-anne Carlyle > http://psyctc.org/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://people.debian.org/~ardo GnuPG fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
